Have You Noticed? Changes in the Out-of-Wedlock Conversation in the Black Blogosphere

Have You Noticed? Changes in the Out-of-Wedlock Conversation in the Black Blogosphere

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

–Mahatma Gandhi

Author : Christelyn Karazin

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Is it just me (I hope it’s not) or have you noticed a marked change in the chitter-chatter in the black blogs about the out-of-wedlock sit-cha-wa-chun? Not only am I seeing a new-found awareness in addressing the issue with writers, I’m also seeing them in the comment section. The most recent that I’ve seen was a post by Demetria Lucas in Clutch where she said this:

I’ll join the chorus to say we, black folk, got problems: Piss-poor graduation rates, the number of children born out of wedlock or even into committed relationships, and the number of people incarcerated are issues that need addressing — not just criticizing — by us, even if we weren’t the ones who got that trend rolling down hill. I admit that.

I remember back when No Wedding No Womb first came to the scene and Demetria interviewed me about the controversy. She lives a NWNW lifestyle even before I came along pissing people off, but it makes my heart swell to see her come out right with it. Heck–even ratchet Bossip commenters are joining in the NWNW message, which for me is a hallelujah moment to the nth degree.

Please note I’m not taking in particular responsibility in any perceived sea change in attitudes–NWNW was and continues to be a group effort, and even before that, many folks on the BWE blogs were spouting the wisdom.

It’s just nice to see that finally, regardless of what the reason is behind it, folks are beginning to take a critical look about how damaging growing up with only half of a whole is on our kids, the community and our country. If all the markers of success are related to children growing up with two loving parents are correct, tell me, how does an 80% out-of-wedlock rate benefit African Americans? It doesn’t. Anyone who spouts to the contrary does not really care about the advancement of colored people, because they’re so busy capitalizing off of the misfortune of colored people.

We’re not even close to solving this problem, but the acknowledgement of it is a step in the right direction.

 

 

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

–Mahatma Gandhi

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karincoger 5 pts

I absolutely love this article. As an African American female approaching 35, I am often questioned about why don't I have children and why am I waiting so long.  When I hold up my empty ring finger, I'm often met by a blank stare from men, women, my age and older; their responses are often "who cares."  I do!  I'll continue to like a NWNW lifestyle and I'm glad to have a group who understands.  www.facebook.com/karincoger 

Blackberry 1177 pts

...I just wanted to say you should take at least some credit. *applause for your hard work*

thecrazyartist 2219 pts

I think it's great, I tend to avoid black blogs due to the rachet immature nature of the comments and the articles, lately I have noticed that actual discussions are happening, and there is less IRR bashing, marriage bashing and the classic "you think you are better", there is also more disapproval of out of wedlock births. It's happened slowly but things are changing.

Kiwiwriter 613 pts

 thecrazyartist Just remember that the Internet does empower immaturity, because of its lack of accountability.

 

But I'm always glad to see more intelligent and measured responses to anything.

L281173 15 pts

As an individual working in the field of outpatient psychiatry, I feel that this issue truly needs to be addressed more.  The black community needs to wakeup up an realize that our youth need to be educated more about issues such as contraception.  Parents need to take an avid role in the discussions surrounds HIV/AIDS also. 

cns 699 pts

Yes I have notice the change even at those "ratchet" sites. People really go in on those single mothers of 3 or more. No one has sympathy for them anymore and why should they. If your life is so hard with 1 child why are you have 2 more?

Kiwiwriter 613 pts

I don't have time to read too many blogs besides this one and the Southern Poverty Law Center's, but I will take your word for it.

 

I think the disintegration of black families is one of the largest social crises in America and the African-American community, and it must be addressed.

 

I remember talking with my pal Paul Long, who was a Navy journalist in my shop in Japan, about the issue, 20 years ago, and we agreed that the African-American community needed more positive father figures. (He was a black guy from Cleveland, had a university degree, and both a terrific intellect and sense of humor)

 

Right around that time, "Star Trek Deep Space Nine" came out, and central to its plot was Avery Brooks as the widowered father of a teenage son, in command of a space station. We both immediately pinged on this important plot point, as Brooks playing a strong African-American father character, which he was...his son goes into Starfleet. Both characters were huge baseball fans. So there was art imitating a need in life.

 

We have a program in the City of Newark for fathers, which is aimed at helping them build their skills. It works heavily with ex-offenders re-entering society. A lot of the guys who come back from 3-5 year stretches at Rahway and Northern State Prison have kids, and these programs help them find jobs and learn how to provide emotional and other support to their wives/girlfriends and kids. These are fathers and children who are most at-risk. There are many more in less dire straits, but they need levels of support.

 

You need a license in this country to catch a fish, open a barber shop, drive a car, or install an elevator. But any man with a gleam in his eye can become a father. And being a father is one of the two greatest responsibilities on the face of the earth...being a mother is the other.

keimiasmoon 1034 pts

 Kiwiwriter I think I've heard about that Newark program. It's a great idea. Somewhere the cycle needs to be broken. I've always thought there needs to be widespread parenting classes and mentoring programs. 

Kiwiwriter 613 pts

 keimiasmoon The classes have gained national media attention. We just had a Wall Street Journal reporter do a story about our Ex-Offender Re-Entry Program. It has a 70 percent non-recidivism rate.

zipporah 1714 pts

It's one of the EASIEST THINGS for a guy to become a father....just one night...for a mother thats a 'little' different  (40+ weeks with hormonal crashes) BUT it takes at least 18+ years to raise a human being...and not less. Those with fathers and mothers together are blessed indeed...double if they lived a little 'traditional' (mother and father in a business together)

Kiwiwriter 613 pts

Very true...it takes only six seconds for a man to become a father. Very depressing.

 

I had a pal who was a social worker...she said her single female clients with kids all regretted not having got the abortion after the kid hit age 2, and started TALKING and WANTING. They were very delighted to have a cute little live baby that didn't do much but wet its pants and gurgle on cue, but once that kid started talking and talking back, they were in over their heads. And it only gets harder.

 

Every child who comes into this world should be planned and wanted, I think. I know that's impossible to achieve, but we can try.

Renee Mimms 98 pts

 Kiwiwriter DS9 is my favorite out of all the Star Trek shows, mainly because of Avery Brooks. I didn't realize until I was an adult how important Capt. Sisko and Jake were.

Kiwiwriter 613 pts

I had trouble keeping the Star Trek characters, plots, and situations straight after they unveiled "Deep Space Nine," "Voyager," and "Enterprise." In fact, I have never seen the latter two series at all, and only a few episodes of "Deep Space Nine." 

 

I do like what they did in the reboot of the series with 2009' "Star Trek" movie, which I saw with Mayor Booker at a special event in Newark...he paid for the picture and popcorn, and we had kids from the community and a collection of Navy midshipment on a leadership course in Newark attending the screening. I handled the media (they were there) and took photographs for photo captions. One kid brought a "USS Enterprise" model.

 

As an Aspergian and a nerd, I was delighted to see that the nerdish and Aspergian Spock got Uhura (and we finally learned her first name), over Jim Kirk.

 

But back to your point...yes, I caught on Captain Sisko and Jake pretty quickly, and saw their importance. The show was very much about Europe rebuilding after the collapse of Communism, in some ways.

 

And for the record, I think the best "Star Trek" uniforms were in the movie series, those red outfits with the straps at the collar...Nick Meyer was right when he said that "Star Trek" was about "gunboat diplomacy" and Horatio Hornblower. Those uniforms looked snappier and more impressive than the mini-skirts and pajamas of the original series and first movie.

Renee Mimms 98 pts

 Kiwiwriter  Yes, you need a big spreadsheet to keep up with everything. My mom loves Star Trek and has several of the movies. I grew up watching TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise (although I can't say that I care too much for the last one). I liked the 2009 movie as well and I hope that do another one soon.

 

I hadn't made the connection between DS9 and Europe after the fall of Communism. Interesting. I'll have to go back and re-watch it when I get the chance. You know, didn't care for the red uniforms with the straps. I liked the ones from TNG and DS9 better but to each his own. And I definitely agree with you about "gunboat diplomacy."

Kiwiwriter 613 pts

I liked the red uniforms of hte movies, because they made the crew look sharp and professional.

 

DS9 came out right after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and I remember someone at the time compared the luxurious nature of USS Enterprise-D under Captain Picard with the run-down condition of DS9, and suggested that the Enterprise, with its holo-decks, represented 80s excess, while DS9 was attuned to the early 90s, after the fall of Communism and the stock market crash.

 

My favorite "Star Trek" moment came when Gene Roddenberry himself came to NYU, and did his lecture, and showed the blooper reel. After that, he took questions and answers.

 

I asked the creator of "Star Trek" why Starfleet had a "USS Hood," when the only ship of that monicker in the Royal Navy's history was a battle-cruiser that was sunk in the Denmark Strait in 1941, with the loss of all but 3 of its 1,500-man crew and was now a Commonwealth War Grave, whereas...

 

The Royal Navy has had nine ships named "HMS Warspite," the eighth of which set all the endurance records for battleships, most miles sailed, most shells fired, etc., serving with gallantry in two World Wars, being flagship at the surrender of two enemy fleets (Germany in 1918 and Italy in 1943). The ninth, at the time, was a nuclear-powered attack submarine. Surely that record rated a starship better than the luckless Hood.

 

Roddenberry stood there, amid audience laughter, and said that he had once taken a test on "Star Trek" trivia. He'd failed. He had no explanation. My girlfriend at the time was there, and was not amused.

 

They still haven't done a "USS Warspite." But they did another "USS Hood."

SirLoinDeBeef 2490 pts

 Kiwiwriter I sometimes wonder if a legalized alternative 'marriage' might be a better fit to the BC than that of the so-called 'nuclear family' (wife, husband and 2.5 kids) - it's just an idea - the best exemplar might be the idea of line-marriage, such as proposed by Robert Heinlein, in his SF book, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.

Kiwiwriter 613 pts

 SirLoinDeBeef Never read "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress," I'm afraid...wasn't into much science fiction...it all seemed to be allegories about the modern world, with the author saying, "If only the world was as wonderful as I." I like Star Trek, but Gene Roddenberry had only one story: The Enterprise meets God. And God turns out to be a child or a computer, or both. That was the plotline of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture."

 

I don't think of "The Hunger Games" or "1984" as science fiction. I enjoy both. If I had read "1984" in high school, I would have done an essay for some class, entitled, "George Orwell's '1984:' Blueprint for a Glorious Future," and would have argued that the rhetoric and policies of 1977 America and the New York Board of Education mirrored that of Oceania, but confounded everyone by saying that creating a dystopic and sadistic dictatorship would be a good thing, as history shows that humanity's guiding and linking thread is our unvarnished sadism, power was both a means and an end, and one could not argue with the principal on any subject.

 

In my old high school, I have learned that kids today have to write "senior theses." Apparently the kids of today at my school are all brilliant in math and science (as before), but lack the ability to communicate well in the English language. So they make them do "Senior Theses," to stretch out their writing ability. They have to know that they will be writing Master's Theses and scientific reports, and those MUST have some clear English in them, so they write "Senior Theses." So if I had to do it again, I'd get my chance to argue the dictatorship's case.

 

I have an MFA in Creative Writing, and have been doing writing and journalism for 32 years. However, I am convinced that the most powerful form of writing on the face of the Earth is not a novel, an essay, a speech, a poem, or a song. It's a memo.

 

Memoranda live forever, thanks to filing cabinets, and while the public has a short memory, corporations and hierarchical organizations never forget. Memos end careers, start wars, launch corporate mergers, and cause all kinds of events that dramatically re-shape and even end lives.

 

No novel ever sent men or women to their deaths in a war...memos did. And if you can write a memo that starts off properly, viz. "It has been brought to my attention that..." which finishes off, "...and therefore, you are dismisses from this organization. Please clean out your desk immediately," you will do fine in life and the workplace.

crazyde3 44 pts

I think that it helps more and more BW are getting educated and realizing they do not have to put up with nonsense. 

Jamila 7201 pts moderator

I've noticed the change too, mainly in the comments sections. Now, when there is a post where some women is lamenting the problems of being a single mother, or the writer is lamenting the problems of someone else who he/she knows that is a single mother, there will almost always be one or two comments that ask about the father of the children and what is he doing to remedy the situation. Someone almost always points out that having children out of wedlock makes it more likely that these sort of "problems' are going to occur.

 

So yeah, I definitely think that more and more people are going to find it hard to deny the truth of what those who support the NWNW message are preaching.

keimiasmoon 1034 pts

ABSOLUTELY!! I have noticed a marked change in the comments and many more women advocating marriage, choosing better spouses and having higher standards. Before I used to have to roll my eyes at all the dismissive "marriage is just a piece of paper". Now they are much fewer. And yes even on the "ratchet" sites I'm noticing these pro-marriage comments as well. 

tracyreneejones 3536 pts

Oh, Chris...... you've made this an awesome ride. I've been watching since early and I knew you were going to win! 

Toni_M 18799 pts moderator

Truth on that last sentence. It's hard to fight a problem one doesn't know or won't acknowledge exists. That's definitely the first step.