Leona’s Love Quest  Part XVI- “I’m Having a Hard Time Getting Over the Relationship We Were Never In”

Leona’s Love Quest Part XVI- “I’m Having a Hard Time Getting Over the Relationship We Were Never In”

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If you haven’t yet discovered someecards.com, a website that never fails to come up with exactly the right snarky, sardonic musings for any and all occasions, you’re probably not wasting as much time on Facebook as I do. I enjoy their e-cards so much that I decided to try out their dating website, Howaboutwe.com where members post ideas for dates, thus encouraging matches to meet in person quickly instead of exchanging endless e-mails, phone calls or text. For example, “How about we . . . dip some things in chocolate at the Melting Pot?” (Sounds like a good date to me!) I met a guy on this site who seemed pretty cool until I told him my real age on our second date and I never heard from him again. I recently rejoined when I found a discount code for a month’s subscription, and I also began following the Dating Diaries of Nikki Metzgar on the howaboutwe.com blog called The Date Report. As much as dating success stories give me hope it’s also nice to hear from someone else struggling to climb out of the valley of eternal singledom.

Her diary reads like pages out of my own dating life, particularly her entry titled, The Problem with Saying “He’s Just Not That into You

Nowadays, I try to spread the word as much as I can to men I’m starting things with: If you don’t like me or love me, spare me the trouble and don’t say that you do. You will end things much faster if you don’t tell me this while breaking up. But people say it anyway and I am left with the unpleasant job of trying to rescue myself from that impulse to make you stick around. I repeat to myself unconvincingly, “He’s just not that into you” and click my heels three times . . . It’s a catchy slogan, but it’s not as universally true as they say it is. A lot of the time, it could be “He’s just not into you enough to love you as much as he loves himself.”

I have a whole list of “he’s just not that into you” excuses from men who insisted, as much as they liked me, things simply weren’t going to work out:

  • I can’t give you what you want/need right now
  • I’m not good enough for you
  • I’ll be relocating for a new job in a few months
  • I don’t have time to invest in this relationship because of my job, family, living situation, dreams/aspirations, etc.
  • I’m going back to my ex for the sake of our child
  • Relationships don’t work for me
  • I’m not emotionally mature enough to handle a committed relationship
  • I don’t want to ruin or complicate our friendship
  • I just got out of a relationship and I need to take some time off

I frequently meet men who despite admitting a significant attraction to me either don’t want to or absolutely cannot commit to a long-term relationship. It’s hard for me to understand “he’s just not that into you” when he behaved as if I was the greatest thing since sliced bread when we were together. Once or twice I’ve fallen for a player’s game, but more often than not I’m the one trying to persuade the man into having sex. I’m not joking. I think I’m pretty sexy, but most of the men I meet act like they’re afraid they might defile my honor or something. The IT guy wouldn’t even kiss me goodnight after more than a half a dozen meetings over six months and still he seemed a little surprised and disappointed when I didn’t want to see him anymore. Once a guy warn me of his lustful intentions so many times during a hot and heavy make out session, I thought I’d have to give him a permission slip from my panties before he would agree to take them off.  Twice I’ve been pursued by religious men who were temporarily abstaining from sex out of morals or guilt. I know other women who have faced similar issues. A girlfriend of mine couldn’t even get her online beau to meet her for a drink while she was attending a conference in his town although they had been chatting frequently and planning her visit for weeks. Seriously, what kind of guy won’t even try to get lucky with the woman he’s been seeing or flirting with for months? I can only imagine what makes a man so DBR that he would rather pass up a chance for sex than face the awful realization that *gasp* he’s met someone he really likes and might actually want to spend more time with; or (even more unthinkable) all she really wants from you right now is sex! Oh, the horror!

Men usually get credit for being better at emotionally detaching themselves from sex, but according to Men’s Health magazine women are generally better at recovering from heartbreak and moving on. Do you know why? Because when our heart is broken, we react immediately. We’ll cry, eat some ice cream, and have endless discussions with our most tolerant and understanding of friends until we’re ready to put ourselves out there again. Men deal with breakups by living in denial of their pain and then, because he never really got over the breakup, subsequently bailing on every other woman who tries to get too close. Alright, alright, I know all men aren’t like this. I’m sure there is a gem of a guy out there somewhere looking for me, but the kind of men I meet are more often diamonds in the rough. Good, decent men who I’d love to spend my time with if only they would brush their shoulders off and get their shit together.

So I’ve got some more date suggestions for howaboutwe.com that might prove to be a little more useful:

How about we . . . be honest and up front about our current situation and what kind of relationship we are looking for?

How about we . . . not project all of our past relationship baggage onto someone we just met?

How about we . . . stop flirting, sexting, or dating me platonically because a real relationship is going to be too much of a commitment for you?

 

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XLondonBooX 6 pts

I cannot stress how relevant this post is to me RIGHT NOW. I met a guy online and we datted for about a month..things seemed great and he appeared to really like me, he seemed very keen on me even  slightly more so than i was on him but as soon as i let myself become emotionally vulnerable he told me that he couldn't continue dating me because he still had past issues regarding his ex from 3 YEARS AGO! It came as an absolute shock and completely out of the blue. How do i get over "the relationship we never had"? I must admit i feel deceived and above all confused. Help?

Leona_LoveQuest 433 pts

 XLondonBooX I'm am so sorry that happened to you. Maybe his ex recently contacted him and he had some kind of set back. After three years, he really should be over her unless she keeps stringing him along. I know how hard it is to deal with an unexpected break-up like that. I dated a man who was in a destructive on and off relationship with the mother of his child for five years. She only decided she wanted to marry him once I entered the picture and he seemed like he might be happy with someone else. I was devastated, but  I will tell you this: I've had quite a few men contact me months or even years after a breakup to tell me what a huge mistake they made or at least that they felt bad about misleading me. He will probably realize his mistake as well, but by then it may be too late and you've moved on to someone who recognizes your worth.

XLondonBooX 6 pts

@Leona_LoveQuest @XLondonBooX thank you so so so much gave me the boost I really needed! it's true. one day he will regret this...maybe not right now but one day even ignorant only for a second. xxx

Law Wanxi 5812 pts

How about we [ellipsis] tell men to cut the crap? Works for me.

 

How about we [ellipsis] encourage men who use the above excuses do the world a favour and simply stop dating altogether?

 

Every, and I mean EVERY, woman who hears about the ex and the kids, the career stresses, the self-declared unworthiness and all that weak, lame, sissy crap in the bullet points should suggest, no, wait wait wait, INSIST that the guy quit dating and wasting women's time. Everyone would be better off with their absence from the marketplace. 

 

I know that the popular meme is some Bird Speech about how 'there is someone for everybody' but it doesn't help women much if that "someone" is sulking and pouting about some woman who dumped him fifteen years ago. Those men should find something else to occupy their time, like becoming anime figurine collectors or helping others or ANYTHING that doesn't involve wasting women's time. 

 

I'm not sure what the effect of 20-40% of men leaving the meat-space marketplace would have on women, but I suspect that it would be positive in the long run.

 

Leona_LoveQuest 433 pts

 Law Wanxi I agree. If all that were left were truly eligible men (and women), I think dating would be a lot easier.

 
Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 Law Wanxi I don't have enough hands to give this post the appropriate applause.  YES, YES, YES!!!!!!  If you're so emotionally unavailable and so damned jaded/hurt, then JUST DON'T DATE.  Please stop wasting womben's time!!!!  

 

I'm so glad there's a man who feels this way...cause I was very confused as to why all these hurt ass dudes feel the need to do anything with womben.

Leona_LoveQuest 433 pts

 Zindzi_Zenani  Law Wanxi I couldn't agree with you more. However, true commitment-phobes crave intimacy as much as they fear it. So a lot of times it seems like they want to be close until you start to reciprocate and then they will immediately begin to back away. It's very frustrating and confusing for the other party.

grrlysquirrel75 1121 pts

How about we...say what we mean and mean what we say?

Jamila 7285 pts moderator

 grrlysquirrel75 As the old folks would say, "Now you know that's just too much like right for everybody to do it." 

ASwirlGirl 3047 pts

How about we . . . not waste each other's time???

 

(Wasting time in a headed-nowhere "relationship" is the WORST. Been a victim of that, but no more. I will cut a guy off with the quickness if I remotely believe he's wasting my time).

Jamila 7285 pts moderator

Leona, please stop telling the story of my dating life for the past 10 years. I don't know if I can take it anymore. God as my personal witness, the line "I’m Having a Hard Time Getting Over the Relationship We Were Never In" sums up the last guy I was seeing (except, we really "seeing" each other; I mean, we saw each other for a brief moment in time that seems like ages ago and I'm still kinda-sorta-maybe-a little bit mourning what I never had, er something like that). 

 

"Men usually get credit for being better at emotionally detaching themselves from sex, but according to Men’s Health magazine women are generally better at recovering from heartbreak and moving on."

 

Yep, very true. The last guy I liked told me that he could never have been in a relationship with me, although he claimed to have like me because I reminded him too much of his ex--my skin color, my height, my personality. (And yes, he actually said "my skin color, my height, etc.,) Men may not wear their hearts on their sleeves as often as women do, but when they love they love deeply and I don't men every truly 100% get over the first woman who breaks their heart no matter how long ago it was.  

ASwirlGirl 3047 pts

 Jamila I understand and somewhat agree with this: "Men may not wear their hearts on their sleeves as often as women do, but when they love they love deeply and I don't men every truly 100% get over the first woman who breaks their heart no matter how long ago it was." Yet, don't you think after a certain point that "broken heart" just becomes an excuse to not move forward into a real relationship; something they hide behind? A man who does that needs to grow up, already!

Jamila 7285 pts moderator

 ASwirlGirl I meant to say 

 

"I don't think men ever truly 100%....." Sorry for the bad grammar. 

 

"Yet, don't you think after a certain point that "broken heart" just becomes an excuse to not move forward into a real relationship; something they hide behind?"

 

It can be. But I think men are more like the walking wounded--you often don't know how badly they are messed up until they keel over dead. Since their pain more often seems to be internal, they normally just go about doing what they do, ignoring whatever happened to them, and choosing to move on. I think with women we often  want to (or need to) take a breather before we can just go like nothing happened. 

 

And effed-up or not, men don't let that stop them from getting involved with the next woman. Men have NEEDS, lol

ASwirlGirl 3047 pts

 Jamila True . . .and so many of them remain bitter YEARS afterward. You're right - they'll get involved, all the while knowing they have no intention of getting into a committed relationship.

MySmile 4175 pts

 ASwirlGirl  

 

"and so many of them remain bitter YEARS afterward"

 

Exactly! I'm so over guys with excess baggage

Example: one guy tried to send me a message online and I found out he had a kid from his profile.. I don't date guys with kids anyway..and one of the reasons is that they tend to have baggage that I'm not willing to deal with..he actually sent this in a message.

 

"as far is my son's mother goes I'm always going to love her ....she gave birth to my child... that's the most special thing anybody can do. However I don't know if we'll ever be together again and I don't wanna be alone the rest of my life lol ill have to put those feelings aside 1 day"

 

Dude, even if I did date guys with children, I'm not coming in 2nd place to your baby's mama...next!! He know he's not ready to date and nowhere close to being over that situation...but he's still trying to date just because he doesn't want to be alone. ..seems as if he still has hope for the mother of his children...I'm nobody's replacement. I'm glad he was honest though...

 

I met another dude who got upset when I said the words "poor baby" .and asked me not to say the word baby...His children died last year (son and daughter..I'm not sure how) I feel really bad for him...but baby is a simple, every day word...again, you don't need to be dating if you flip out every time somebody says that. Sheesh! Then he had the nerve to wonder why I was turned off by his baggage. He was saying that I couldn't blame him for his children dying and that I was being cruel...No, I can't..I felt really bad..but I can blame him for trying to date while having baggage THAT serious. He scared me away.

R. Kamaria 854 pts

 Jamila "I don't men every truly 100% get over the first woman who breaks their heart no matter how long ago it was. "

 

They don't. And every woman after her has the unbeknownst task of proving she's not her. I get so sick of this with men. Someone needs to start teaching boys that it's okay to be angry, sad or even cry - yes I said cry - when they are heartbroken. Otherwise we end up with women like me still waiting to fall in love with a man at 33 who won't open his heart. I'm so over it. 

Leona_LoveQuest 433 pts

 Jamila LOL. I'm just glad to hear I'm not the only person these kinds of things happen to. Couples in long term relationships make it look so easy. It seems like every man I take an interest in comes so many complications. I really have to take a look at why I am attracting (or attracted to) men like this.

Jamila 7285 pts moderator

 Leona_LoveQuest I don't think it means you are really attracting these types--it seems virtually everyone I know who didn't end up marrying the first person they were in a serious relationship with will eventually go through a stage where they attract creeps, weirdo's, players, and those with too much baggage. And I'm seeing that the older I get, the more baggage the people I tend to meet have. 

 

I'm  learning to reject the undesirables as quickly as possible so that I can leave enough space for someone I actually do want to spend time to enter my life.