Messages from ‘Django Unchained’: The Black ‘Damsel’, the ‘Django Moment’, and Phrenology’s Centerstage Show

Messages from ‘Django Unchained’: The Black ‘Damsel’, the ‘Django Moment’, and Phrenology’s Centerstage Show

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Now that Django is released in the UK, let’s start spoiling it for real.

Before writing my last post on Quentin Tarantino’s film “Django Unchained,” I intentionally collected perspectives from many of my friends, relatives, and confidants on what their early impressions were of the movie. Needless to say, I surround myself with some truly intelligent people. And, in doing this, I was attempting to get to the underlying causes of people’s frustration with the film. I found three central, repetitive themes in that psuedo-research that I think are worth further analysis. Those in the black community (since no one outside the black community would touch this with a ten foot pole) that I spoke with echoed issues with a) the black “damsel in distress,” b) the ‘Django Moment’ , and c) phrenology’s seemingly unchallenged presence in the film. And, although I too felt these things to some degree, I am wondering how much validity these issues truly hold.

The Black Damsel in Distress

Previously, I made the assertion that Spike Lee should have had less criticism of the gratuitous use of the n-word in the film and more qualms with the way the character Broomhilda, played by Kerry Washington, was written.

“One major critique I have of the film is the understated and generally lackluster role of Broomhilda (Kerry Washington). Though Washington has spoken candidly of her desire to play the damsel in the film, it was difficult to watch such a prominent female figure in the black community spend 3 hours waiting to be saved by her pompous hero. She has noted that the “fairy tale” like imagery of her story was what contributed to her desire to do the film. But, my core issue with her character was less about how her relationship appeared on screen but how little she contributed to the film at all. For ‘Hildy’ to be the primary focus of Django’s affections, she did little to show why she was able to do so except for the fact that she was a pretty ‘house slave.’ So, I would lodge this critique with much more justification than Lee’s flaccid argument that the movie doesn’t respect our ancestors.”

But, the wise Miss Usher (DUsher) asked the following of me in the comments:

“Why does she have to do anything to ‘earn’ being the primary focus of Django affections and worthy of rescue? Why do we need to know her character resume’? Should it not be enough that he loves his wife and in his eyes she is worth saving.? She could be a lousy cook, a horrible lover etc. she could be as useless as a pink tutu on a bull but the fact that he was willing to kill, steal and destroy to save her.. [Isn't]  it wonderful in a world where black  women were/are not  highly valued we see a black woman who we know little about who was the object of  such a dramatic rescue? Can we only breathe a little easier if we know some redeeming quality about  the character Broomhilda that says to us ‘okay NOW I see why he wanted to rescue her’. Maybe he simply loved his wife and wanted to save her.”

So, here is my question: what is the black woman’s problem with being saved by her man (no matter his race)? Have we been so jaded by stereotypes of strength and masculinity that we are incapable of being treated like dainty flowers? I definitely struggle with this. And, while watching the film, there was a part of me wanting ‘Hildy’ to do something cool or prove her worth to Django. But, after this conversation, I am realizing that this is a socialized need rather than a true one. No woman should have to “prove” anything to anyone. But, many black women are raised to believe that they must assign some value to their characteristics to add up their innate worth.

A fallible ideal this may be, it is an ideal nonetheless. Do you have this issue?

The ‘Django Moment’

Another key issue many black folks raised with the film was something called the “Django Moment.” Per Cord Jefferson, it is “the moment when, while watching Quentin Tarantino’s campy new slave-revenge movie, a person of color begins to feel uncomfortable with the way white people around them are laughing at the horrors onscreen.” He explains how it felt to have non-blacks around him laugh hysterically at particularly sensitive scenes. And, I will admit, I had a similar experience. But, I never had ‘the moment.’ I never thought to myself, “why is SHE laughing?” or “why does HE think that’s funny.” Why? Well, because I found the entire thing darn funny myself. And, I could totally see the humor in the script and delivery.

Judging from the reactions to the content of Django from a varied audience, it is obvious that the way we view race relations, specifically black/white race relations, is changing. And, though this seems like a good thing on the surface, these types of changes sometimes lead to desensitization. Sometimes folks forget the true lived experiences of racial groups because the way society chooses to view said group shifts to something a bit more palatable for the general public.

Did you have a “Django Moment?” Whether black, white, or something in between, did you feel awkward while watching any of the sensitive scenes (like the Klan scene or the Mandingo scene)?

Phrenology (just because it has ‘ology’ at the end doesn’t make it scientific)

So, this might be the biggest issue I have with the film. And, when discussing it with my peers, I found the widest spectrum of responses to it. Phrenology, a non-science that works inductively assuming that a small group of individuals can be used to attribute characteristics to a population or whole, is mostly hackish. It was exploited in the 19th and 20th centuries to justify forced enslavement, sterilization, and other horrors for people of color. And, in attempting to be true to this era, Tarantino included a healthy dose of it in the film.

In one particular scene, the white slaver, Calvin Candie (Leo DiCaprio), explains how the black race has specific brain and skull characteristics that make them suitable, almost made for, enslavement. And, instead of disproving this soliloquy in the film, Tarantino let it linger for the entirety of the piece. In the end, Django (Jamie Foxx) almost seems to validate the claim by calling himself a “one in ten thousand n#%$@.” This, to me, is the point of contention for many.

A good friend of mine mentioned a very valid criticism of this issue on my Facebook feed.

“the ‘one in ten thousand [n*%$#]‘ reference seemed to dangerously play into that phrenology pseudoscience.  if you recall the scene where this term is introduced in reference to django, candie is fascinated because he’s never ‘met a [n*&%$*] quite like’ django.  that is to say, he’s never met a black man who was his equal.  as far as candie was concerned one such black man did not exist (phrenology).  he’s suggesting that it takes a special kind of black man to rise to the level of a white man.  and the phrase seemed to play into this faulty reasoning.  as i said i’m still processing my thoughts on this.  but it’s a loose end that i don’t feel tarantino ties up nicely.”

Another friend replied that it didn’t bother him at all.

“I’m not at all desensitized to overt or covert racism, but by Calvin making the statement about the one in 10k I think it was a part if his character, and a part of a racist ideology that there are ‘exceptional Blacks’…. it’s a fictional movie, not a documentary. To speculate that QT shares these thoughts as a part of his own belief s seems a little hypersensitive. As I said before, we are our own worst enemy. Once I see people protesting against stereotypical images such as Trinidad James, then we can tackle the Django Conspiracy.”

And, honestly, I don’t know exactly where I land here. In one sense, I agree that movie watching is an extremely passive act that could result in folks digesting some of the messaging on phrenology that QT likely intended as farce. But, in another sense, how do we rage against that machine without raging against real characters in the media or otherwise who make black folk look foolish daily? It suffices to say that some folks could still believe in phrenology. But, does QT’s take on it contribute to or neutralize that belief? It is hard to know.

Overall, I still found the film intensely enjoyable but these three issues remain relatively un-analyzed by many. With the likely increase of interest in movies like this, how will these messages form the race dialogue going forward? It is a lot to consider. One thing is for certain though, good or bad, the film brought slavery to the fore. Now we just have to figure out what we are going to do with it.

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tornado123 6 pts

Okay, first of all, I am white and Jewish. I found this movie the most compelling movie I have scene in years. Let me make a few observations as a non-black. In other words, I can only tell you what I felt as someone cannot identify with being black in the 21st century.

 

1. The one in ten thousand ^%&$ that Django referred back to at the end was not a reference to phrenology, but more to the idea that he was one in 10K that was going to take a stand. He was a violent MLK. In the Warsaw ghetto hundreds of thousands of Jews were stored until sent to death camps. Finally Mordecai Anielewicz became that one in 10K Jew (more like 400k)  who said, screw the nazis and he organized a rebellion known today as the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. That is how I saw DJango.

 

2. I also wonder if the trouble that blacks have with the film is the fact that a non-black wrote and directed it? Imagine if Spike Lee directed Schindler's List and not Spielberg. Just as Sam L Jackson's character was very troubling I would imagine for blacks, there were Jews who also took advantages of the Holocaust and rose to powerful positions within the ghetto over fellow Jews. Poeple, in slavery and the Holocaust, survived and died in different heroic and cowardess ways.

 

SL Jackon's love, devotion and affection for the racist slaveowner candy was troubling--but it was supoposed to be. My question to those who know black history better than I, is, was it accurate?

 

3. The most troubling scene in the whole movie was the fight between the 'Mandingos' in the parlor. I realized that the violence of good overcoming evil--DJango at the end--didn't trouble me at all. And, in the final scene where DJ shots the nuts off the white guy, I cheered. But seeing two people who did not want to fight, fight to the death was not enjoyable theatre, even if true to history.

MySmile 4175 pts

I had a "Django moment" but mostly with other black people in the theater....Black people were laughing hysterically almost every time the N word was said and it did kind of upset me...I know the white people in the theater already know that the word is very common in hip hop and society in general basically assumes that we don't take the word seriously, better yet, that we don't take ourselves seriously, so it must be okay to say it (not really)..if we don't respect ourselves then nobody will..but I'm glad some are wise enough to know that not all black people are the same. Some of us are not okay with that word. While I did laugh a lot (especially at the Klan mask scene...I wouldn't get offended if anyone laughed at that..it was quite genius if you ask me!), I just can't stand the n word and I cringed multiple times during the movie (but I understand that it was historically accurate!). 

 

I had the Django moment with white people too..but they were quiet for the most part..I don't think anyone laughed during the really gruesome/ disturbing scenes

 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 MySmile I am starting to wonder if more white people were having Django moments than black people...

chilljill 56 pts

It's a great movie bc it provoked conversations such as this one. Seems to me it did it's job.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 chilljill

 Couldn't agree more!

Noiree 79 pts

 JennMJack  chilljill I had similar thoughts. Django has encouraged conversations about narratives of black women and their role and position in American society, slavery, race relations, violence (to mention a few issues). People are talking about the various issues, interpreting the movie and having discussions - constructive or not. Any movie that can engage people and stimulate conversations about historically sensitive/controversial issues such as slavery and racial discrimination  has achieved some measure of success

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Noiree  chilljill I agree. But, I am wary for now knowing that it could certainly turn a corner into straight up scary if folks take this opportunity and run with it. But, for now, there are a lot of lessons that a diverse audience of folks get exposed to through this movie. So, suffices to say that QT has outdone himself.

Veron 1400 pts

"In one particular scene, the white slaver, Calvin Candie (Leo DiCaprio), explains how the black race has specific brain and skull characteristics that make them suitable, almost made for, enslavement. And, instead of disproving this soliloquy in the film, Tarantino let it linger for the entirety of the piece"

 

This is an interesting perspective, and it kind of makes me want to see the movie again with this idea in mind because I took the scene on an entirely different note.  I felt that Calvin Candie's villainy diminished his credibility from the get go. His manic insistence that blacks were physiologically made for slavery, all the while deeming Django to be "clever", further marginalized his opinion.  This wasn't a man at a chalk board, attempting to reason logically.  This was a lunatic, cracking skulls open, spewing vitriol. And that appearance of lunacy was even more definitive next to Christopher Waltz character, who treated Django as an equal. Not to mention, I kind of felt like Tarantino was beating the audience over the head, trying to make Waltz's German doctor out to be the only civilized, brain-carrying white person in the entire south end of the United States. The scene where everyone is staring at Django because he's riding a horse? Granted, that reaction was likely extremely accurate, however, the dentist, in that time period, had the more modern reaction of "What's everyone staring at?"   If I remember correctly, I even think the character at some point called slavery and those who enforced it "primitive". 

 

From that, I feel like the entire first half of the movie was a set up to discredit anything that would come out of a slaver's mouth, particularly the main villain.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Veron

 Great points in all. The major issue with this is the passivity of movie watching. Folks of all walks of life might not understand the obvious lunacy of the character in terms of the setting and verbiage used in the film. It is art and QT did get this point across artfully, but, without a grandiose proclamation there is a chance that some folks just didn't get it. Thanks for the comments:)

Noiree 79 pts

 JennMJack  Veron I recall Calvin Candie's repetitious reference to and explanation of phrenology and I agree with Jenn that without a rebuttal in the film itself, some people may not comprehend the fallacy of phrenology. I have university level educated colleagues at the office who, without conducting a thorough analysis, repeat narratives gleaned from mainstream films/media as if they were self evident truths.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Noiree  I am so glad you made these points. I think people fail to realize that the repetitiveness of the messaging in media subverts true intellect in a lot of ways. People forget they are watching fictional imagery and start thinking they are watching a documentary. Its frightening. And, that was a major risk of the phrenology reference in the film. I think QT should have wrapped up that loose end.

Jamila 7253 pts moderator

I didn't have a Django Moment (perhaps because I'm not white; but a white male friend of mine says that he experienced something like a Django Moment,though).

 

I think that much of this movie was a perfect illustration of what Hannah Arendt termed the "banality of evil".

 

 

*A LITTLE SPOILER LIES AHEAD*

 

Here these men are, getting ready to kill Django and Dr. Schlultz, but before they do that they start having a discussion about how difficult it is to see out of their masks. One of the men talks about how his wife make everyone's mask for them, and claims the other men are unappreciative of his wife's efforts. So here you have people getting ready to commit a horrendous act, but before hand they are all doing something extremely normal--having a discussion (that we just happen to think of as being funny, but could have just as easily have been a real discussion that took place a time or two before an actual lynching took place)--before going to kill someone. The woman who made the masks might have then used those same hands to lay across her son's head to check for fever, cooked dinner for her family, or caressed her husbands check. The most horrible things that happened to slaves were accepted and seen as perfectly normal. A might might have drink sitting on the porch with friends, hold hands and pray with his family before dinner, and then go and have one of his slaves whipped so badly that enough blood was shed to turn into a puddle.

 

Yeah, this was harsh, and it seems jarring--making jokes one moment and having a person torn apart by dogs the next--but that is EXACTLY how racists at that time behaved. And they didn't think anything was odd or off about their behavior. That is the banality of evil perfectly illustrated.

 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Jamila

 Great points Jamila. And, I think that was one of QT's core goals. Here is my question: how do you think this scene came across for whites? blacks? I would think, for the most part, these would be two wholly different experiences especially across classes.

Jamila 7253 pts moderator

 JennMJack The one white male friend I have who saw the movie said the torture scenes made him extremely uncomfortable. He said he started thinking to himself "thank goodness my family didn't have anything to do with this, they came over in after slavery had ended."

 

I didn't see the movie in a theater  (*cough*) so I didn't get to see audience reactions. 

Noiree 79 pts

 Jamila  JennMJack  Jamila "I didn't see the movie in a theater  (*cough*) so I didn't get to see audience reactions. " I didn't see it in theatre either *cough cough* and on my side of the world it will not be screened in theatre, at least not the licensed ones! Jamila & Jenn I did not have a Django moment while watching Django - due to my private screening ;-) but I have experienced 'Django moments' with white colleagues relating to real life experiences wherein their reactions reflected how desensitised they are to issues that negatively affect black people and other people of colour. When I highlighted their 'desensitisation' and expressed my opinion about it and the situation, the conversation was shelved, shutters came down and political correctness set in - and no I was not being emotional or accusatory - just curious. While I do think people's reactions/experiences are or will be different based on race and class, I wonder how much so and to what effect?

 

Oaktown Paul 844 pts

 Jamila From a movie making perspective, comedy is an effective break/setup for tragedy. (Shakespeare used comedic interludes to set up the more tragic scenes in Romeo and Juliet.)  It allows the audience to release tension even as more and more tragic events unfold.  Otherwise, you are viewing something like "Shindler's List" --- and the movie becomes very difficult to watch.  In short, the humorous moments are a bit of sugar to help the medicine go down.  The medicine, that some members of general public may have forgotten, is (of course) the main message of the movie:  Slavery was violent, horrible, degrading and a very real part of our past.  I was horrified by graphic scenes where slaves were whimsically abused and killed --- and the movie reminded me that these acts (and more horrific acts) were committed during the course of slavery.  QT revealed the evils of slavery to a large audience --- and in a way they will long remember.  The use of humor and fairytale plot devices were all instrumental in achieving that one goal.                                 

MySmile 4175 pts

 Oaktown Paul    "QT revealed the evils of slavery to a large audience --- and in a way they will long remember.  The use of humor and fairytale plot devices were all instrumental in achieving that one goal"

 

So true..I just really hope that people don't become distracted from the underlying message in the movie....the underlying message...It was funny, but slavery itself wasn't a joke..I hope they see what Tarantino was trying to do here! 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Oaktown Paul   Oaktown Paul, are you really from Oaktown? (like Oakland California).

 

I totally agree with your analysis. But, I think that his devices were also a bit detrimental when it comes to the issue of phrenology.

Oaktown Paul 844 pts

 JennMJack The challenge confronting QT (and every other writer/artist):  Do you create art for a sophisticated audience --- or do you go "USA Today," and "dumb-it down" to an 8th grade intellect.  I think QT made several concessions to both audiences.  My perspective --- I have little hope for anyone who might think their children could profit by the study of "phrenology."  In any event, I do not think phrenology is going to get any traction --- even with those who might otherwise grasp onto such tripe.    

FYI, as you guessed, I live and work in Oakland, CA. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Oaktown Paul Spectacular, I was born and raised there.

Statuesque 1749 pts

I should add that I saw this movie with my boyfriend.  He didn't like it as much as I do but the Black people in the theater were laughing much more than the White people at various scenes from what it looked like to me.  For example, I lost it when Django chose the blue velvet suit but he just chuckled.  There was a lot of inside joking IMO.  But everyone laughed at the obviously funny stuff like the Night Riders and Schultz's dialogue.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Statuesque

 I wonder if this movie was kind of spinning the whole point of reference on its head. I cut up laughing at most of the movie. It almost felt like one of those insider black movie experiences (you know like Crooklyn, The Last Dragon, or Sister Act II). It didn't feel like I would look around and see white folks in the theater at all. And the fact that a lot of whites were more toned down in your experience speaks to that. QT was able to bring the black experience to a much larger audience. And, I think that was exactly what he was going for even if it made some white folks uncomfortable.

 

I think the majority of black folks who have complained about the film didn't actually see it...

Statuesque 1749 pts

I missed posting on your other Django thread but I cannot say enough about this movie and how powerful it is. Flawed for sure, mostly because Kerry Washington's talent is underutilized and more character back story development would have been nice (and would have required a Kill Bill v.1&2 treatment, IMO), but very powerful. I thought the critique of this country's "original sin" was scathing and didn't miss much.  At the same time, he did not stereotype the slaves or any of the Black characters that I saw, even the slave mistress.  These characters had nuance and dignity that is lacking in other movies that offer more sanitized portrayals of American slavery.  Even when they scraped, bowed or cowered, you saw that basic drive to survive and just deal whatever hand they had been dealt in this horrible environment.

 

As a disclaimer, I am a huge Tarantino fan, so any fault I find with his work is more technical rather than thematic. I get what he is trying to do with his stories and I don't get hot and bothered about the violence or his liberal use of pejoratives.  He has always had enough respect for Black people and Black actors to offer them roles in which they can portray what the character requires, but it's clear he also considers the bigger picture and what it means to show a particular stereotype or character type on the screen.  When I saw the dark skinned mistress and how sleek and self-entitled she looked, I got it.  That was a message.  So was the dialogue about Dumas and Django's summary of Candie's phrenology pseudo-theories as "bullshit."  Hildy as the princess and the pretty ornament to be rescued (but did anyone notice that she grabbed the shotgun as she rode away with Django?).  Samuel L. Jackson?  Just awesome, even in its campyness.  When someone plays a house slave from now on, they'll look at his performance for cues as to how it should be done.

 

I think that the "Black experience" in this country needs to be filtered through non-Black lenses when people are interested in taking a fair, artistic look.  Even though the vast majority of slaves were of African descent, and the vast majority of Whites in the South and elsewhere did not own slaves, the impact of slavery on the nation is something that ALL Americans should be able to examine without fear of overstepping a racial boundary.  What he did with Django is nothing short of masterful:  It is a wholesale indictment of the American slavery system and the people who upheld it in the South.  There were NO redeeming features of any of the White southerners in the movie, other than their funny dialogue.  The two White Southern females featured in the movie were eviscerated, literally and figuratively.  He put no one on a pedestal but Hildy, and even she was abused and violated.

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

 Statuesque "When I saw the dark skinned mistress and how sleek and self-entitled she looked, I got it.  That was a message."

 

What do you mean by this?

Statuesque 1749 pts

 heyimPearlilikefries I mean that she was playing her position and didn't feel the need to cower or pretend otherwise.  She looked like a courtesan, with an air of boredom without looking empty-headed.  Her skin color and location in the antebellum South did not stop her from realizing that she had power and the ability to feel comfortable and complacent.  Usually one only sees such a Black woman portrayed by a lightskinned, visibly mixed type.

 

The name "Cleopatra Club" was also a message.  As exploitative, silly and distasteful as it was to see the fleshpeddling, there also was a clear objective to link the desire for Black women to something regal and refined.  My boyfriend commented on that too.

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

 Statuesque That makes me want to see the movie! I like seeing things like that because it shows that black women no matter their circumstances and I just love that. And it kinda puts "if she can do this in the 1800s with all that going on, I can do whatever the hell I want TODAY." 

 

I definitely want to see the movie now. 

 

And Oh, I love the black courtesan relation... don't hear much about those.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Statuesque

 I agree that the black experience needs some filtration from non-blacks. So, what did you think about the phrenology reference?

Statuesque 1749 pts

 JennMJack"So, what did you think about the phrenology reference?"

 

I thought it was very appropriate and gave depth to Candie that he otherwise didn't have. Candie's interest in phrenology was another example of his pseudo-intellectual aping of many "refined" things...the French language, Greek art, European linens and china. I thought it fit with the theme of both he and his lawyer lackey aggrandizing their extremely provincial and ignorant perspectives to people who know even less than they do. Yet, QT expects his audience to know more than many probably do, so I think he should have done something to debunk it directly, but it probably seemed to him that Candie is such an ignoramus that nothing he says can be believed by anyone with sense.  The exchange with Schultz on Dumas was a brilliant way to put him and all of his racist nonsense in perspective.  Sadly, while phrenology specifically has fallen out of favor there are still people who believe in these old school theories or their derivatives.

EarthJeff 3336 pts

" a person of color begins to feel uncomfortable with the way white people around them are laughing at the horrors onscreen."

OK, not sure where this came from because certainly nobody in the theater I was in (which is in a predominantly white suburb) was laughing at the horrific scenes.  I know I was sick to my stomach.  Seeing a scene of somebody being whipped with a bullwhip to near death...  the scene with the fighting or the scene with the dogs... hearing people scream at these things happening to them.....  all are things of nightmares.  The only one where you could say people chuckled was how Tarantino made the Klan scene a total mockery in order to show just how idiotic the whole Klan thing was.  Yes, they went to do something horrible and end up fighting between themselves over the eyeholes in their hoods.  Made them all look like the buffoons that they are.

WendyH 88 pts

 EarthJeff

 I had the same theater experience as you.  I didn't hear anyone laughing at any of the horrific scenes...if anything I heard several gasps at the dog scene and the mandingo fighting scenes.  I actually had to just close my eyes for a moment during both. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 WendyH  

 I think what blacks call "horrific scenes" might vary a bit. For example, I heard a lot of grumblings about the klan scene which, to me, was extremely funny. But, it definitely struck a chord with a lot of black viewers as especially difficult to watch.

 

I think they also took issue with the ending with Samuel Jackson and Jamie Foxx spewing the n-word back and forth. To some, those scenes are horrific.

WendyH 88 pts

 JennMJack  WendyH  I laughed as well during the klan scene and so did all of the black people I discussed the movie with.  It was hard not to because they looked and sounded so ridiculous.  However, I totally hear what you are saying.  I realize that there are people who are seriously offended by any humorous depictions of serious situations.  Even when the bad guys are mocked.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 EarthJeff

 You have to realize that the movie in and of itself was a catalogue of horrors for many in the black community. We are just one generation out from Civil Rights in this country so it is not hard to believe that seeing white folks laughing at a movie about a slave could be hard for some people right?

kisumai 183 pts

oooh its actually out on Friday 18th >.< 

kisumai 183 pts

 JennMJack Yup! Over here they normally do the premieres one week in advance of the release date. We are always late when it comes to big blockbuster films compared to the US. Kinda sucks lol

JennMJack 1180 pts

 kisumai

 Sorry bout that. But now you know exactly what to look for lol!

Neecy 1941 pts

Another thing Quinten gets points for and I will try to support his movies/films here on out is b/c the beautiful dark skinned woman who played Leonardo's de facto wife, said in an interview that Quinten specifically stated that it was IMPORTANT to cast a dark skinned Black woman for her role. How many Black film directors etc. think like this. 

 

Black women have to start supporting those people who go out of their way to make a statement that benefits us. He could have easily done the status quo and thrown a mixed or ambiguous looking BW in the role as Leo's de facto wife (which was most likely the case in those times since a lot of the wealthy WHite men would have Quadroon balls). I am glad he casted the way he did and after seeing her interview where he said that I said I would alway support him as a filmmaker.

VictoriaAntoine 436 pts

 Neecy  You really go a point. The dark skinned black women played the leonardo's character is his wife? I thought it would be his mistresss. I am kind of slow when it comes to movies. I thought during the late 1800s Most white men never marries black women. they have black women as their mistress.

 

kisumai 183 pts

 VictoriaAntoine  Neecy Yes she was his mistress. He had a white wife. That is what I read anyway. :)

Neecy 1941 pts

 kisumai  VictoriaAntoine You're right she was his mistress. I just used the term that the actress used in her interview when she described her role. IOW's she was not legally his wife, but said during those times a lot of the White male plantation owners, sons etc., had WHite wives at home and Black mistresses (in other locations as we saw int he movie) who also had all the benefits of the wife but just not legally recognized as such.

Jamila 7253 pts moderator

 kisumai  VictoriaAntoine  Neecy In the movie Candie wasn't married. The black women would have been his mistress. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Neecy

 I do think it was especially brilliant that he cast a darker skinned woman in the role of Candie's main squeeze. It said that he wasn't looking to do the same old same old. And, it highlighted the fact that slavery was about possession and place more than anything else. Though lightness and darkness came into play, whites cared little about that when it came to possession and property. It was blacks who worked in a realm of colorism as a defense mechanism against their status in society.

Neecy 1941 pts

Exactly. I didn't need to know anything about BROOMHILDA and why Django wanted to save her.  She was his wife whom  he loved dearly and was torn apart from.The movie did a good job of showing her vulnerability. And Kerry was a great fit for the role b/c of her innocent look. She has the big doe eyed look of vulnerability that makes the audience feel for her. Putting the wrong BW in her role could have been a bad move b/c Broomhilds needed to be very vulnerable for people to feel for her and understand why Django went through all of this.

 

If he had casted a less vulnerable looking BW in looks and demeanor, I don't think people would understand why Django wanted to rescue her.

 

Basically what I am trying to say is this: WE NEED MORE IMAGES of vulnerable LOOKING and vulnerable BW in roles being rescued. There is already an overabundance of the opposite. 

 Neecy Would you mind defining "vunerable looking"? Just curious.

kisumai 183 pts

 Neecy I think she means that black women, should be seen in all types of light. Not only as Strong Asexual women that the media portrays black women to be; because in reality not all women especially black women are like that. In fact, sometimes the strong asexual women status can be a hindrance on us as women. The media unfortunately plays a massive part in our lives and the media perception of us is negative. A black women is hardly seen as vulnerable and worth being saved in Hollywood and that is relayed to the audience...."black women are not worth being saved, they are strong they can handle things themselves....they sort of like men anyway (which is complete bullshit)'' 

Butterfly1 601 pts

 kisumai  Neecy

This reminds me of when President Obama defended Susan Rice (which made me like him more) The white women on CNN voiced their opinion asking why is he going to take up this fight over her? 

 

Neecy 1941 pts

 Butterfly1  kisumai Hmph not surprising. Seems many people feel BW should not have protectors of any sort - especially male protectors.

Neecy 1941 pts

Doe eyed feminine looking. Not hard acting or looking. You know how some BW in movies, TV etc., are made to look "no nonsense" and their hair, make up and especially dress and demeanor show this.

 

Kerry was quite feminine looking in demeanor and look.