Vietnamese Guy Gives Real Talk on His Blasian Relationship, Plus How Things Went Down with His Parents

Vietnamese Guy Gives Real Talk on His Blasian Relationship, Plus How Things Went Down with His Parents

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My Asian Family Conflict Over My AMBW Relationship

By “Long Nguyen”

First off, let me start with a disclaimer. This is my own analysis regarding my interracial relationship with my parents. It is based on only my viewpoint and my own memories and feelings. My parents aren’t here to offer their own point of view on anything, and they certainly would not approve of me airing out our laundry on the internet for strangers to read and judge. So to protect their privacy, I will not be posting this article under my real name. Also, this shouldn’t be used as a guide to explain family conflict regarding interracial relationships with every Asian family. This is my story and mine alone.
OK, since we got that out of the way, you can just call me “Long Nguyen.”

My parents were born and grew up in Vietnam, and did not move over here until they were adults after they had graduated high school over there. I was born and raised in the United States. For them, Vietnamese was their primary culture and American was secondary. It was the opposite for me.

Dating was not an issue at first, as I was one of those overly studious, awkwardly shy, awesome at math, nerdy Asian stereotypes in school and I never really had a serious girlfriend for a while. I went out on dates here and there, but they usually never went anywhere and nothing was substantial enough to tell my parents about or introduce them to anyone.

Of course, knowing that my parents grew up and spent much of their lives in Vietnam, I expected that their clear number one preference would be for me to date and marry a Vietnamese girl. Since both their primary culture and primary speaking language is Vietnamese, there would be a lot more familiarity to make it easy for them to relate to her and her family. They also wanted my future wife to be well-educated, have a good job (or be on the way to one), and come from a nice respectable family, as most parents would. No surprises there.

I have tried to ask out Vietnamese and other Asian girls. I am attracted to Asian women, but I just never really hit it off with any. As I grew older, I then found myself extremely attracted to both white and black women as well.

I never really brought up my attraction to non-Asian women growing up because I assumed it would not be THAT much of an issue. I was also striking out left and right with all women, so I had no one to bring home to show them and see how they would react. I figured “Well, I was born and raised in the US, it shouldn’t be that big a deal if I dated someone an American and not a Vietnamese or Asian girl.” I went to public schools for elementary and middle school, so I had a diverse array of ethnicities amongst my friends as well, and my parents never talked badly of or objected to any of them.

In high school and then college I attempted to date mostly Asian and occasionally white women, as I mostly hung out with kids that were part of the Asian student associations in my schools and those were the demographics most readily available to me, so I didn’t realize how mistaken my assumption about who I dated was until later.

In graduate school, I made a lot of new friends, but it just so happened that most of them were black. It was nothing I specifically sought out, for whatever reason it just out that the people I best got along with were a lot of the black students in my classes. Of course, since I found myself around a lot more black women than I had ever been before, I found myself attracted to some of them. I then tried to ask a few black girls I met out, and that’s when I really learned about my parents’ view on interracial dating.

It was at this point in my life that we started having a series of serious sit-down talks. No surprise, Vietnamese women are at the top of the dating preference list, for obvious reasons as stated above. The consolation prize would be non-Vietnamese Asian women. Even though they wouldn’t share the exact same language and culture, my parents felt like their cultural values and sensibilities would be close enough for them to feel somewhat comfortable with. Any non-Asian race or ethnicity was not preferred, and even white women were included in this group, which surprised me because several of my cousins had at this point in time broken that barrier and married white women. Then again, my cousins were not the children of my parents, I was.

This new bit of knowledge did make me wary of whom I tried to date for a short while. However, I was still vastly unsuccessful with dating. When I moved away to start my first full-time career oriented job, I was tired of being alone and felt limiting my dating pool was detrimental to my social health. I made the decision to date whomever I was attracted to, no matter what their race or ethnicity was.

As I was still falling flat on my face in the dating scene, I then opened the door to online dating for the first time. In my preferences, I checked the boxes of every single race and ethnicity they listed as being someone to match me with.

After a few more misses with girls on that dating website who were Asian, white, black, and Hispanic, I finally really and truly clicked with someone. And, oh yeah, she’s black. Whatever, we seemed to have quite a bit of chemistry during our e-mail exchanges and online chatting, let’s just exchange phone numbers so we can set up a date and see how it goes.

As I said before, I can be extremely shy and quite socially awkward. This can lead to a lot of painful silences on dates. This didn’t happen with her! On our first date we were supposed to do the dinner and a movie thing, only we never got past dinner. We sat in that restaurant and talked for more than 4 hours. It might have been longer, but they had to clean up and close the place down, so we got (politely) kicked out. Suffice it to say, that first date blossomed into true love and a very serious, committed relationship.

I told my parents about her after we got serious a few months in. Aside from being black American and not Vietnamese or Asian, she was everything else they could ask for. Her parents are both working professionals, and when we were first dating she was in graduate school on her way to having a good job. They saw that I was “crazy” about her so they were willing to give her a chance.

But they began nit-picking her, without even meeting her yet. They didn’t like that she cursed in some of her Facebook status updates (only occasionally just to vent, mind you). They felt it was inappropriate to see her in a bikini in one of her profile pictures (she was not in a suggestive or provocative pose and she was with her mother, both of them covered in mud).

Then when they finally did meet her, they didn’t like the dress she wore to meet them (it was a cute but colorful and casual one-piece from Old Navy, not short and not revealing at all). They also didn’t think she was polite enough (and therefore, not showing enough respect) towards them. Really, it felt like they were just complaining about any little thing to use as an excuse to not approve of her. And I felt if she were

Vietnamese or Asian, they would be much more forgiving of these perceived “faults.”
But through all this, we remained strong together, and my parents seemed like they were trying harder to accept her and our relationship.

Until they saw some pictures I e-mailed them of us together.

“My girlfriend wears her hair natural, and I support her for it. Most of the time, she has her hair down in twists or braids, or sometimes just tied-up in a ponytail. Every once in a while, she doesn’t do anything with her and “lets it all hang out” so to speak. When she does this, her hair can get quite poofy and big. I honestly think it’s quite beautiful.”

The one and only time my parents met her, she had her hair down in twists. But it just so happened in these pictures that I sent to my parents that her hair happened to be “up.”

They thought her hair was too “wild.” Trying to convince them her hair was not a big deal (which was harder than I expected because apparently they had black co-workers who agreed with them to validate their point of view) led to learning another set of revelations.

Ultimately, they were against our relationship because they perceived that black American culture and Vietnamese/Asian cultures are far too different to be compatible. Because of this, they felt as if they would not be able to relate or get along with a black family. My parents were also afraid of racism against us and our future children (this especially became a hot topic when the Trayvon Martin murder happened).
However, most of all, I believe they felt that I was rejecting or abandoning their native culture from Vietnam in favor of black and American culture. In graduate school, they once told me they thought I was acting “too black” when they observed me hanging out with my group of predominately black friends, celebrating our graduation. During the course of this relationship, they described to me this fear they had that I would “transform into a black man” and become “unrecognizable” to them when all was said and done.

Now, I recognize how ridiculous this is. At this point in the story, they had only met her ONCE and had never even met her family! However, I will not absolve myself of blame for perpetuating these misperceptions and ill-conceived notions. I believe I made things worse and validated (in their minds) their irrational concerns by becoming avoidant with them.

It can be difficult and wearisome to deal with their resistance and discomfort with our dating relationship week in and week out, and I am not a confrontational person, so eventually I hardly ever discussed the various ins and outs of my dating relationship with them at all. This was problematic in the sense that it more than likely prolonged and dragged out our conflict instead of getting it settled much sooner. It also made things worse because I was “lying by omission” to them. They were hurt by the fact that I wasn’t being open and honest with them, as they were not being told of different and at times important things going on in my life.

“You see, in Vietnamese culture, your entire family (not just your significant other and your own children, but also your parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.) is supposed to be the most important part of your life and your community.”

 

By not being open and honest with them, I was not only distancing myself from them but also being completely disrespectful to them. The ideas of the children “leaving the nest” and becoming “completely separate and independent” from the parents is seen as being a very American or Western cultural value. So to my folks, based on my actions it seemed like I was rejecting both them and also Vietnamese cultural values in favor of American cultural values instead. This in turn led to them feeling that my girlfriend and our relationship were both bad, corrupting influences on me.

Things finally came to a head, but we all decided to get past our differences and work everything out, because in the end we love each other. They have gotten to know my girlfriend better and spend some more time with her, and now they like her (although they’re still trying to get a handle on her natural hair, but whatever). They are currently supportive of her and our relationship as well as where I want to take it in the future.

It helps that my girlfriend and I are showing that we are interested in learning about (and therefore not rejecting) Vietnamese culture either. We bought some books about Vietnamese culture and CDs that help teach the Vietnamese language. We are going through them together, using my parents to help guide us and answer any questions we have.

I would be remiss if I didn’t give any credit for my girlfriend for putting up with all of this and sticking by me. I couldn’t have done it without her unwavering love and support of me and of us. One of my greatest fears is that she would break up with me because of this struggle with my parents. I certainly would not have blamed her, and I understand the feelings of those on the various interracial blogs I peruse that have stated they wouldn’t date anyone if their family can’t be accepting of them.

This conflict with my parents certainly did cause strains on our relationship. We survived not only because we love and support one another, but also because I was able to assure her and demonstrate to her that I believed in our relationship and did not allow my parents’ disapproval to break us up.

“So yeah, I’m going to ask her to marry me. Very soon.”

I hope you found this to be an interesting and enjoyable read.
Sincerely,
“Long Nguyen”

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Funmis3 41 pts

That brought a tear to my eye. Yes you don't want to disrespect your parents, but at the same time you need to live your life. Congratulations on them realizing what you need and also to you both. Be Blessed with a happy and healthy marriage and healthy children.

MamieMooney 167 pts

 LongNguyen My boyfriend still waiting for word from you!! :) I wish I could convey the need he has to talk to someone who has gone through what we are going through and is also vietnamese.. He feels super alone and it would be great for him to hear from you and learn from your experience... Maybe find out what works and what doesnt work :) He is Tony Do on Facebook and Email is AnthonyDo503@gmail.com (assuming no one will spam him or whatever lol)

LongNguyen 32 pts

@MamieMooney I emailed him on Christmas Eve. Maybe it went to his spam folder? I can try again...

LongNguyen 32 pts

Just an update to follow-up this article: I proposed to my long-term girlfriend at her favorite restaurant over the weekend before Christmas. She said "Yes!"  WE ARE ENGAGED! I'm so happy and excited. She was surprised and tearful.  We even got a round of applause (and some free champagne) from our fellow patrons at the restaurant. I hope everyone is having a Merry Christmas!

Christelyn 8885 pts moderator

 LongNguyen YAY! WOO HOO!!! What a great update for me to see on Christmas Eve! Love and happiness always to you and your boo!

Brenda55 19615 pts moderator

 LongNguyen !!!{{{{CONGRATULATIONS}}}}!!!

 

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ann4950 732 pts

 LongNguyen    Yaaah!!!!  You did it.  I wish you two many years of happiness.  I know she is so excited.

Karla 18240 pts

 LongNguyen Wonderful news!  I wish you many happy years together.

Courtney86 69 pts

Thank you for the insight and for sharing your story. It is nice to know the reason behind Asian parents not wanting their sons to date outside of their race, and the reasons for their feelings are understandable too. I find Asian men attractive, so if I do run into this problem, this will have helped to understand the parents' feelings.

LongNguyen 32 pts

 Courtney86 I don't know if you can apply this to every set of Asian parents, but it certainly couldn't hurt! Thanks for the feedback

sheriseology 7 pts

That's beautiful. More power to both of you for sticking that out!

JianiYuWilliams 19 pts

Excellent article. It's good that the two of you stayed together regardless of what other's had to say. And the fact that your girlfriend was willing to embrace your culture was very important.  Hat's off to you, I wish more people would stick to what makes them happy and not so hung up on what your parents feel.  Because in the  end, your parent's should want you to be happy. Happy you, happy home, happy family.

MamieMooney 167 pts

PS LongNguyen  if you are on FB you should talk to my boyfriend about how to emotionally deal with this situation I feel like I can be sympathetic but I cant really understand the depth of what he is going through... Just like you he is the only son and also the oldest so alot rides on who he marries... I feel like he needs someone who knows what he is going through from a cultural standpoint to talk to about how they dealt with it.... If you could I would be forever grateful...

LongNguyen 32 pts

@MamieMooney I'd be more than happy to communicate with him via e-mail or facebook. Just let me know what his Facebook handle is or an e-mail address I can use!

MamieMooney 167 pts

This gives me hope but also makes me said... My boyfriend Tony is Vietnamese and we have been dating for 2 years he just recently told his parents we were dating (he is currently in college and his parents are extremely strict thus prohibit him from dating till he is graduated which is why we kept our relationship a secret for so long) but I grew tired of being a secret so he told them and they werent too happy and told him that "We only date and marry Asians"  he got in a fight with them and defended me and our relationship and even went so far as to call them hypocrites as they always taught he and his sister to look beyond race and that racism is wrong... But alas Im sure despite their anti racist teaching their plan for Tony didnt involve marriage to a black woman (He sure did tell them that he was gonna marry me! *does double snap*) Im going to meet them OFFICIALLY during graduation in 6 months (we both graduate from college yaaaaaaay) and we plan on getting engaged within the year, Im hoping that his parents come around... I kinda feel like Ive tried to do so much to make sure that they know I fully respect their culture including learn vietnamese without even knowing them it hardly seems fair that they judge me without knowing me but im hoping that just like the story above they come around.... I have some pretty close bonds with Tonys sister and cousins and I know that they are in my corner... I just feel horrible to be the reason that someone I love could possibly have a bad relationship with the people who gave him life because in that sense I owe my happiness to them and their love for each other... Cross your fingers....Six more months.....

LongNguyen 32 pts

@MamieMooney Yeah, my gf knows how you feel, and it gets needlessly more complicated (and melodramatic) for some Asian families when you go from "friends and classmates" to "potential new family member." It took my parents 2.5 years to come around, but I'm hopeful it won't be as long for you. Your engagement may signal to them just how serious he is and maybe force them to accept reality that you are here to stay! Although even if they accept you, they may not fully embrace or like you (which is something that is still going on with one of my best Cambodian friends from high school, even though they've been together a solid decade now). My gf is on good terms with my cousins too, and that helped to a degree, although not nearly as much as I'd like. Don't feel guilty about your love, though. In the end you make each other happy and it's not like either of you are purposefully trying to create an adverserial relationship with Tony and his parents. Congratulations on your impending graduation from college (that feels like a lifetime ago for me), and best of luck to you both!

MamieMooney 167 pts

He is Tony Do on FB and I gave Christalyn his email address for you... I showed him this article and he was floored and said "This sounds just like ME!!!!"

LongNguyen 32 pts

 MamieMooney I got the e-mail from Christelyn, and will drop him a line!

PaigeinPhilly 306 pts

nice! i like hearing about blasian relationships...they are kinda rare.

AminahMatthews 541 pts

"Long Nguyen"....That sure was an interesting and enjoyable read. Thanks for sharing. I wish you and your soon to be wife allll the love and blessing to come. Stay strong and be blessed.

Nonya 210 pts

<<you can just call me “Long Nguyen.”>>

 

"Long" huh?  #justSayin LOL.   Great story and goodluck with the proposal!

LongNguyen 32 pts

@Nonya Lmao. FYI, "Long" is Vietnamese for "Dragon" :-P

thecrazyartist 2242 pts

This is interesting and enjoyable Long, I am happy to hear that you and your girlfriend managed to stay together even through the rough patches.  I hope she says yes and I hope you have a happy marriage.

Statuesque 1749 pts

What a great story!!! I love that Long Nguyen and his girlfriend stuck by one another. It's obvious that the Nguyen family had enough strength of character to come to a good resolution. It also goes to show how important it is to embrace the S.O.'s culture as well, because people can't help but respond to someone who cares so much for their son/daughter that they attempt to fit in in an authentic way. Thank you for sharing.

Law Wanxi 5807 pts

This is a very heart-warming and happy story. Don't wait, propose now!

 

I'm also glad to see that he chose not to give up after all those Asian Girl body slams and broaden his 'search parameters' instead. I know a lot of Asian, mostly Chinese, men who have just given up and decided to concentrate on their careers or hobbies. 

 

Anyway, best of luck and all the happiness in the world to this lovely couple!

 

 

LongNguyen 32 pts

 Law Wanxi

 I am proposing very, very soon. It is a special time of year, ahem :-)

MixedUpInVegas 1654 pts

What can I say, I'm a sucker for a sweet love story with a happy ending.  Much happiness and best of luck to you and your lady, Long!

Elegance 2096 pts

Great post! Thanks for sharing your experience :)

terrametoo 16 pts

I don't understand...

 

Aren't almost 50% of asian women marrying interracially? Is there some kind of dating  double standard for asian men? Are the dragon moms brow beating their sons while encourage their daughters to openly diss asian men for white ones. This seems really hurtful to asian men who are struggling against an asian women shortage on top of it.

somethingdifferent22 354 pts

 terrametoo Pretty much. I'm from an area of mostly whites and asians in california and from what I know they don't really care about the daughter so much as long as the husband can provide for her. That being said though they don't really want the asian girls to have black or hispanic husbands (my brother is running into this problem with his girlfriends parents who are asian they want him to have a masters before he even thinks of proposing and even then you can tell they would rather have her with someone else) but I've just seen a lot more girls and women who are less likely to listen to what their parents want really. Men seem to be more stuck in a position where they're carrying the family name and the family line and just tend to give in more, where as the women have less pressure and even when they do often don't listen to their parents anyway. All this being said most asian parents don't seem to mind their daughters marrying white guy since they stereotype is they're smart and/or rich and it might be a "step up" where as non white or asian partners are considered a "step down" I don't agree with anyone of this of course but after having mostly asian friends this is pretty much what I've gathered. This all being said a lot of time it depends on whether they came to America or if they were born here when it comes to the parents, it makes a big difference. From what I've seen it's usually the asian girls born here who are more likely to stand up to their parents about dating non white or non asian men since it's generally accepted in American culture. 

kiki100 630 pts

 terrametoo Yes there is a double standard. It's liek the open secret I guess even they do not discuss.

LongNguyen 32 pts

 terrametoo

 I can't completely comment on a double-standard between all Asian males and females. I can only speak for myself and observations of my family. 

 

Most of my female cousins married Asian men (usually Vietnamese or Chinese), as did most of my Asian female friends.  So far I've only had 1 female cousin marry interracially, and both her and her older brother married white significant others.  They told me they encountered some resistance from their mom, but I don't think it ended up as (melo)dramatic as my family situation. 

 

My situation was most likely magnified because I am an only child--my parents even told me as much that they would probably care less about my interracial dating if I had a sibling that dated or married someone Vietnamese or Asian.

 

I should also mention that in Vietnamese culture, as "somethingdifferent22" mentioned, the males do carry the burden of continuing the family line and name. You see when a daughter gets married, she is considered as being "adopted" into the family of the man that married her and is she is then primarily "their" daughter.

somethingdifferent22 354 pts

 LongNguyen  terrametoo I've noticed it varies a lot depending on the nationality too. For my friend who is Korean I remember she told me she got into an argument with her mom and her mom said something along the lines of she would kill herself if her daughter ended up marrying a hispanic or black man. They were in a public Korean Spa at the time and all the older women took her mother's side instead of hers and told her she was shaming her mother by even considering it. I'm not quite sure if the mother still feels this way as it was some years ago but it's a bit sad since I know quite well she has a preference for hispanic men. Versus a lot of my friends who are Chinese born when it comes to their daughters they usually care mildly sometimes not very much at all but there is always the ones to the extremes, same with Taiwanese and Japanese. As for Vietnamese I only knew a few but overall no matter what the Asian nationality the boys tend to have it much rougher time stepping outside the accepted circle of mates their parents want for them. So I've seen plenty melodramatic cases and ones where things went over smoothly, and in the end all I can say is I definitely have to give credit to any Asian male who is willing to go up against all that pressure (when there is a lot of pressure)/ It definitely says a lot about his character and a lot of guys won't even end up trying, so those who do definitely get a gold star in my book. 

MamieMooney 167 pts

 terrametoo This is because asian men carry on the name, the culture the legacy traditionally.... Girls its different because parents ultimately just want someone who will treat them well and take care of them in the general sense... With men though he carries the family name....

R. Kamaria 854 pts

Man, I hope your girlfriend doesn't read this blog!! If so, you'll have to wait another year to propose. lol. Great post. I think most parents would prefer their children to marry within the culture. As open minded as my mom is, I'm sure she would have been delighted if I was with a black guy. But since I've only dated one black man in the past 7 years, I'm sure she's over it. 

 

Kudos to you. I hope she says yes, I'm sure she will.

thecrazyartist 2242 pts

 R. Kamaria

 

Even though my dad is very open minded I know he would prefer to see me with a black man. Since my penchant for older men, and the string of white and/or latino men and my dad has gotten over it, now both mom and dad are at a pont where they say, "as  long as he is a nice guy, we can't really complain".

 

Anyways I hope she says yes, and best of luck to the happy couple.

LongNguyen 32 pts

 R. Kamaria

 Lol, as far as I know, my gf doesn't read this blog! And if she happened to see this post, oh well, she'll have to wait until the planned day arrives. I am very much a planner and try to stick to my plans as much as possible if I can

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

“transform into a black man” and become “unrecognizable”

 

Now that made me laugh out loud.  Glad that your parents have come around.  And good for your girlfriend for hanging in there.  All the best! Looking forward to wedding pictures/videos.

Also good luck with the proposal, I hope she says yes!!

Thank you so much for being so honest about your own experiences and how you tried to smooth things over. I know that many ppl who may be interested in Asian men are concerned about not being accepted by their families (myself included). I think it's very difficult if your family doesn't accept who you are dating and becomes sad when children are brought into the picture as well. I think you both learning more about Vietnamese culture was a great move because ppl usually think if someone is in an interracial relationship they are rejected themselves or self loathing. Thanks so also showing that is not true.

The Working Home Keeper 6636 pts

Awww....how wonderful!  Thank you for sharing your story! 

SwirlQueen 995 pts

Way to go Long!  I can only wish you and your future wife a long and happy, wonderful life together.  Your parents will melt when your children are born and won't want to give them back.  It will be great!  Love your story!!!

GoneInternational 162 pts

This turned out nicely, and congrats on your pending engagement.

 

I have to say that I've come across more than a few stories this year in which AM are defying their parents wishes and dating/marrying BW. It's quite interesting and hopefully something that will happen more as time goes on, but with increased acceptance. 

IntegratedMemoirs 342 pts

Thank you for your story!

 

One of my cousins in California is married to an Asian man, and even though they have been together for over ten years, his parents still haven’t fully accepted her. Instead, they tolerate her…mostly due to the fact that he is the eldest and wealthiest of his siblings (parents want that great lifestyle too). His parents are Chinese, and they came to America when they were adults. I did an interview with her, and I was appalled at some of the things they went through together as a couple. She gave some great insight, and through it all, they have a very loving, prosperous, and wonderful marriage.

 

Good luck to your future!

somethingdifferent22 354 pts

 IntegratedMemoirs I saw the same thing happen with one of my good friends. Her older brother was (and is now married) to a white woman and it took them about 10 years to start tolerating her and about 6 more to actually start accepting her! My friend told me they would say the nastiest things about her while she was there in Korean and they kept trying to convince him he could find someone "better" (which we all know is code for an asian person in this case) but he stood up to them and their now happily married. I think in any case it's just up to the boy to become a man and stand up to his parents for his own happiness. It would be nice if everything was peachy keen off the bat but true love is worth all the trouble I think :)

LongNguyen 32 pts

 somethingdifferent22  IntegratedMemoirs

 Yeah, one of my best friends from high school is Cambodian and married a white girl he met in college. His parents didn't like it when they were dating, and even after they got married things can still get kind of strained and tense.  Instead of accepting her and their relationship they basically are more resigned to the fact that they're married.  It's kind of disappointing and sad, but they're a great couple and they're sticking it out with each other.  Both of them were also very good counselors to me during my own ordeal

Karla 18240 pts

You may have been socially inept but you sure knew what you were looking for.  I like the fact that your GF understands your parents and is willing to explore Vietnamese culture to put them at ease somewhat.  They may always have some reservations but they now see she is as serious about you as you are about her.  That's nice.  Blessings and luck and, dare I say it, early congratulations on your engagement.  BTW, have you met her family?

ASwirlGirl 3044 pts

 Karla "BTW, have you met her family?" I was wondering the same thing!

Karla 18240 pts

 ASwirlGirl Yes... inquiring (read "nosy") minds want to know!