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Schwarz Weiss Deutsch (English title: Germany in Black and White) stars a couple, played by Fabian Püschel and Eve Wangui,who discuss their interracial relationship and racial politics in Germany.
Schwarz Weiss Deutsch (English title: Germany in Black and White) stars a couple, played by Fabian Püschel and Eve Wangui,who discuss their interracial relationship and racial politics in Germany.
The film won Short Cutz Berlin March 2012 Best Short Film and Special Mention International Up & Coming Film Festival Hannover Hannover 2011.
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Love it. As an ignorant American, I must say, I've never seen a black woman speaking fluent German before.
There's nothing 'wrong' with this guy. I know MANYYY, many, many men under 30 (which is the age this fellow looks to be around) who do not want children. More so than his policy toward "pure German" things, that fact will lead to their destruction.
Loved it. He's a typical uptight German I should know, ha. She is like many beautiful Black women from Bahia to Koln they submit to the German just as Asian mail order brides does to WM...and we know how that can turn out. She is young and hot he is stable and older. It is what it is.
Ich liebe die Deutschen, die sie zu schätzen Black American Frauen. Ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch sie liebte meinen amerikanischen Akzent und behandelte mich sehr gut. Ich möchte Frankfurt bald zu besuchen.
Had to watch this with my German BF. At first, he was amused, laughing and nodding his head, and commenting in German. Somewhere around 2:55, he starts yelling at my computer screen, "NO. NO, MAN, YOU'RE GOING WRONG!!" LOL.
I know a couple here in Germany like us (German guy, Caribbean American woman) breaking up, partially because of their differing views on race. They've got 3 mixed race kids. The kids are always having to deal with the racial ignorance and insensitivity of their peers. The father deals by saying, "Suck it up. We're all German here!" He insists he doesn't see any difference between himself and his children, which is just ridiculous, and leads to a dismissive attitude towards his sons' struggles. I'm actually not mad, in theory, at the guy in this film acknowledging that his kids wouldn't be (nor would they be regarded as) "just" German. I think his acknowledging that is...important.
But more than that, their kids wouldn't just be mixed race, but mixed culture. The woman in this film is NOT GERMAN. According to my BF, if she was born and raised in Germany, spoke the language like a native (apparently, she has a strong accent), the guy wouldn't be talking quite so greasy no matter her skin color. Dude's use of "pure German" is definitely on some Nazi ish, and drew another loud, "Oh, neeeeeh!" from my BF. But it's very difficult to parse race and culture sometimes. That is to say, dude's point of view is not necessarily racist, but is difficult to express without sounding racist. Especially if you're a Neanderthal...
The male character in that video is so unattractive. Not because of the way he looks, but his dominating attitude towards women.
iHeartLove He seems kind of neo-Nazi-ish to me. Also seems as if he's hesitant to have non-German children. Any children he has with his Kenyan girlfriend will not be "pure" German in his eyes. She needs to exit that relationship as I can only see problems if they married and had children.
Patricia Kayden iHeartLove I see the samething you guys see. And I don't know why in the blue hell he's with her if he's so hell bent on worrying about the German population. If that's the case, he should be with his own kind. Seriously.
He does seem like kind of neo-Nasi-ish to me too.
AminahMatthews Patricia Kayden iHeartLove He complained about German women and emancipation, and prefers this lovely Black woman because she is submissive. That fuels his ego. Male insecurity at its best. I don't think he wants any children with her. He only wants her. But, I believe he really wants a German woman, just without the "what about me" attitude, so he can feel like the great Deutsche man, who can be proud of being the "man" in the family. Ughh!
Wow, this video describes my whole military career. Most military guys (not ALL but a very high number) do this at all duty stations, whether stateside or overseas in a poor or rich country. They feel American men are very sought after and women will do anything to be with one. Heaven forbid they go to a 2nd or 3rd world country--jeesh...you would think they thought they were the second coming!! Female GIs were told that we were too hard/manly and did not know how to treat a man right whereas the non military women were more soft/ submissive/dependent/feminine/giving and knew how to keep their mouth shut <<--I kid you not! I have never seen such a bunch of arrogant self serving tools as I did in 21 years of service. As stated previously not all military men are jerks but they do have that "I am all that because I wear a uniform and it has United States written all over it".......just saying
PamelaFoster ROFLMBO.
There are a lot of men who are simply weak and need to dominate a woman in order to feel powerful. These men are in the majority all over the world, especially in more traditional patriarchies. So I don't think German men are representative of a global norm, or that they have a particular view of African women as subservient. To me they mostly represent a disaffected Western man who feels like women in their own cultures are too powerful to be dominated and are looking for a downtrodden (they think) second or third world doormat who has been raised to treat them like conquering kings, and will be grateful to receive the privileges of the West through their benevolence. This is what every Black American male sex tourist in Brazil etc. wants, and what every White European or American male sex tourist in Thailand, etc. wants. If you ask any of them to describe "their women" there is a remarkable consistency in what they say about them, even though these women have different ethnic backgrounds. To me it is pathetic.
Statuesque Yep. The male character is a jerk, plain and simple.
Little background info on me: My parents came from Sierra Leone, West Africa (Mende tribe). My mom grew up in England (moved there to live with her dad and step mom when she was 13) My parents both moved to the U.S. in the 80's. Maybe how the African men treat African women depends on the tribe but here are my family's experience with sexism. This clip, somehow, reminds me of the lame feuds I see on YT about African women being better than AA BW (Western BW in general)
I notice that a lot AA BM and some Western WM see African women as more submissive and they're not too wrong. From watching my mom and female relatives, they put up with A LOT from their husbands. I never got the feeling that my mom loved my dad or vice versa but she believed it was her duty to put up with the domestic abuse and rampant infidelity from my dad. My mom said that my dad's sexist attitude towards women was normal among Mende men. And I see a lot of Mende women, like my mom, who marry, have kid's, act all happy go lucky and live with controlling abusive men. Hence, I'm not buying the whole "African women laugh more!" bit. No, they just cry a lot in private and vent to other African women.
My cousin (a "traditional" Mende woman) married an AA BM and she let's him treat her like crap aka "he can be the man" in the relationship. Another, married a WM who saw her as submissive (she's indecisive and soft spoken), abused her and left after she had their kid. However, I noticed my favorite aunts (both born and raised in England, ones a judge and the other does missionary work) actually vetted the men their still married to. One is married to a Mende man and the other a Jewish WM. Since, like me, they were born in Western countries, they didn't feel the need to behave "traditionally" and since they had standards, they we're able to find men who actually loved them for them.
I guess the whole point of my story was that insecure men naturally gravitate to women who appear to be more submissive lol? But the character the actress is playing: sorry her comments just annoyed the hell out me but they're typical and I had to say something.
jillodelight I totally agree with you. My parents are also from Sierra Leone (Temne Tribe) - I'm born and raised in London. I have watched my parents growing up and it always frustrates me when I see my mum ( and other women in our family and similar background) acting the way she does with my dad's behaviour. Since I am British, I don't act the way 'African women'- should act according to my mum and dad. There is a now and again where my mum would step out of the 'semi-submissive' role and challenge but not too often.. I'm 20 now and my teenager years was basically, what my dad and mum has referred to being influenced by British tv (Tracey Beaker is their favourite culprit) - and turned me into a monster. They always say they are careful to not get into argument with me over gender roles or how things ought to be (because they know I will win LOL). I mean I love my dad...but he has treated my mum like crap even she knows it but won't really do anything- I do question her; she says she is still with him because of us- the children.
kisumai Haha! I asked my mom why she was with my dad still and she gave me the same "because of the children" explanation *smh* She's always been extremely anti-divorce: she hates the idea of having a second husband.
jillodelight I guess my dad is a true diamond among glass shards. My father is Yoruba and everybody knows about them. My father has been faithful and kind to my mother. Treats her like a queen and even took on the cooking duties when my siblings and I were growing up. He even adopted and raised my 3 older siblings from my mother's previous marriage. He showed me what being a real man was. On the other hand, I have uncles and other male family members on my father's side who cheat, cheat, and did I mention they cheat? They won't help with the housework even though their wives work as well and one uncle even had the nerve to parade his OOW child at my cousin's wedding in front of my aunt. Unfortunately, they don't make many men like my father in any ethnicity. Good thing I married one!
Browncow jillodelight Right...that's what scares me about many men. I grew up seeing my parents on fairly equal footing...they both had jobs and took care of household and childcare duties. Mom cooked a little more, but Dad cleaned a bit more...you get the gist.
My family is by no means perfect on either side (we have our share of family drama), but I have noticed that my mother and most of her sisters don't take mess from their husbands, nor do their husbands act up. My one uncle who does act up is looked down upon by the rest of the family. We're all Yoruba by the way.
Seeing all this, then coming into the "real world' and seeing all these weird attitudes about submissive women and men who need to feel like men baffled me. Wait...do you mean a good portion of the world is like my deviant uncle? That blew my mind, and not in a good way :(
I loved her! She was cute and had a warm smile. He other other hand, was cold and aloof. I'm sure there's some kind of cultural nuance that I am missing being reliant upon the subtitles but there isn't much that interests me from this short.
Film was a) boring b) dude not hawwt, she's beautiful young woman, and c) boring.
She wants children, he stalled around age "40" he says. She wants 2, then capitulated to "1 1/2",then down to one.
1. They are not at in same "stage" range and will, if not become problematic, fail.
2. His nationalism is his while hers is diminished.
3. I could not see her personal agency. He states that German woman want to be emancipated, and she, Black woman, treats him as a woman should treat a man (less than, not equal).
2 snaps with a suck tooth and HATED IT!
DeepWater Loved the 2 snaps! Reminds me of In Living Color (back in the day).
From what I can see, all women should want to be emancipated so good on German women!
Patricia Kayden That's right, forgot about Living Color. Daman Wayans and David Allen Grier must've made an impression on me subliminally.........bwaahhhaaaaaa. Um, yes, the young lady in the film imo is wasting her time. Dude struck me as nationalistic, almost Aryan in thought, apparently has open mind to being with her but puts her down in a sort of sly just under the radar borderline racist manner. Also he's "the man" in this relationship and she will know it thus control issues. If these are real folk then homegirl is in trouble, he could possibly become abusive as well. He diminishes her country, Kenya, and strikes me as being inexperienced in dealing with this type of male. She, herself, says that German women may have a problem with him in that he likes her "obedient". I see little of her own agency with him, more like a pet imo. This "relationship" will be in trouble if this is his attitude toward / with her going forward and will be problematic if not fail altogether. Just my 2 cents.
Is it even possible to truly love someone of another race and then have qualms about mixed-race children? I am not talking about lust, but true honest love. How could they process these seemingly contradictory opinions?
This dude reminds me of how some american men treat asian women - as submissive and subservient. i'm in shock that some men see us that way. anyways, if they were a real couple, i definitely feel that she doesn't have to stay there with him. she could do sooooooooooo much better!
Off topic but look what I found!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=ctwhKXYsiss
Reminds me of my twins <3
Black and mixed women with white and black twins :)
As someone who was involved with a German for 8 years, had a son, and lived in Germany, I can tell you that the demeanor of the man in the film is typical of the German men who choose to seek black women. They love black women from African countries. For the German man who is attracted to black women, they are looking for a woman who they perceive to be submissive. Hence, the comment the man in the film made about German women being too emancipated.
This mindset eventually posed a problem for my relationship with my son's father because I am not African. I am African American. My western ways eventually became too much for him. He commented often on how independent and self-sufficient I was while living in his country. He was both fascinated and repulsed by my independence. Somehow, he felt threatened. He told me when I left him that he did not feel needed by me. But, the funny thing was, he had always complained about his previous girlfriend, who was African, and her inability to take care of herself and be independent.
Also, the silence from the man in the film when she spoke about children was an accurate depiction of some German men. Some German men feel conflicted about having children. They want children, but not the expense. And having them with foreigners, for some, it becomes an issue of the "purity" of German culture.
I do think, ultimately, it depends on the German man. They are not all the same.
stephiejc4 Not sure if trolling.. With all the trolls coming out of the woodwork.
I know a woman who used to visit this blog... She has a ex husband and a child that he apparently loves very much.. Not the vibe I get from her..
LionMama Why would you think I was trolling?
stephiejc4 LionMama Probably the willingness to paint a pair of actors as representing all German/BW IRRs. Stereotypes tend to ping our radars in these parts so be careful.
In any case, I've heard different things from other members (one here as a matter of fact) regarding their marriages and dating relationships with German men.
And because of that, I'm interested in any rebuttals to your remarks.
Toni_M LionMama I mentioned "some German" many times in my post. I also mentioned at the end at my post that not all are the same. My response was simply sharing "my" experience.
stephiejc4 LionMama I see, and I also agree with this: "I do think, ultimately, it depends on the German man. They are not all the same."
Apologies. We've had some bizarre characters popping up a lot over the past couple of days and it's put people on edge just a bit. o/
stephiejc4 Well, Because she said that he said if she ever tried to bring his son to the "hell hole" that is America he would fight her in all the courts of the world.
Oh right he's not a child any more but a young man if I remember it right. She still loves her german/nordic men.
Pretty much totally opposite of what you said..
stephiejc4 Thanks for telling us about your experience! I needed that for some reason. Given your experience, I can see why it was so well-received in Germany. It's authentic and so well done that some think that it is a documentary and not actors.
EmilySpring It is authentic as it is the feeling of some German men. But, as I also worked while in Germany, I met many German men who did not seem to feel that way.
stephiejc4 Oh yeah, I totally get that.
stephiejc4
I met my wife in Germany, she is from the Caribbean. Through her, I met a few African women who were married or divorced from Germans. I have to second what you are saying. There are German men who think they can use their status as coming from a rich country to get a beautiful African woman from a poor country and dominate the relationship. This doesn't last long, however. Once the woman gets her German residency, she is usually gone. Meanwhile, she probably has an African lover on the side.
Brice Cameron stephiejc4 Well there's quite a few of those around in USA. I was in Brazil last year and I saw fat and ugly americans wobbling around with young black girls. Or just look at the Americans with their wallets who think they can buy it all in Cape Town. Picking up young and easily fooled women. I'd say it's more previlient in American men who think they can get anything for money and are the kings of this earth and all women should bow before them.
LionMama
These relationships probably happen in America too. I just don't know about them. Germany is much closer to Africa, so that might be a factor. Also, black people are more prized in Germany, both men and women. They are seen as more fun and exciting than the boring Germans, which they are. I went to a few African parties in Germany and a few German ones. The African parties are more fun.
I think that anywhere there is a disparity in wealth between a man and a woman, the man tends to want to use that to his advantage to get a younger more beautiful woman than he would normally be able to get. If you are an average Joe in a rich country, you can't use your wealth to get a woman. But if you go to a poor country, you've got something to offer besides just your sorry ass self.
Brice Cameron LionMama
"I think that anywhere there is a disparity in wealth between a man and a woman, the man tends to want to use that to his advantage to get a younger more beautiful woman than he would normally be able to get. If you are an average Joe in a rich country, you can't use your wealth to get a woman. But if you go to a poor country, you've got something to offer besides just your sorry ass self."
Amen. This happens in every part of the world and among every race, ethnicity and nationality of man or women.
Money tips the scale and improves the options............ of both parties.
That is just a reality.
Brice Cameron I'm sure they are more fun. I'm positive they are more fun than stiff American parties from what I've seen.
I think you underestimate Americans men. It's well known that they go around using poor women and play the ugly american. Even more so than other nationalities. Heck it starts early, when your military go around paying desperate destitute women for sex.
LionMama
You know that the movie was made by Germans, right?
stephiejc4 I'm gonna come back to this and post some things I know as well. I have to first, "get my strength up". I was going to dismiss my knowledge related to the things in that video and what you posted but I think I will be helping alot of women if I did. My future post to this will be based on the cultural nuances, thought processes and types I can personally attest to (I have experienced in Germany from German men). So I guess, my emotions got the best of me. I know where you are coming from. I don't know if I'll leave it at this or really come back. Like I said, I have to "get my strength up"...
stephiejc4 Obviously it wasn't you nor the African girlfriend with the problem. lol
Reminds me. I hate the afro-europe blog.
Jamila It got no balance for one thing. Write about a somali woman getting milk poured on her as disrespectful that might be its nothing to what 5 Somali men who attacked a local teen waiting for the bus and poured gasoline on him and lit him up 2 month or so ago did just because he's a local.
Am I suppose to take that serious. A little distance and sense of proportions would be good.. Commenters are horrid If it's so terrible just move back. Most European countries don't owe you anything. Don't have anything positive to say about the locals or their 'new country'.
This is what I got from the Youtube description. I used google translate to translate. Still not sure if it from the source.
"An ordinary German couple on a sofa German.But what is German?- A fixed camera angle, a handful of cuts,without mounting?, a couch, a couple. Use it without Immigrant background, with her grace and charm, he under footing the table the shoe soles of the camera far opposed.Both provide information about themselves and about their ideas of life in Germany. Them with kindness and tact,He very definitely and nation. In the beautiful dress he traditional undershirt."
Whaa? lol
The guy doesn't seem like the type who would date interracialy with his comments. But if they're a real couple, they're cute.
Skayi Actors.
Skayi I was briefly involved with a white guy somewhat like the one on this video. Trust me, they exist.
Also Chris mentioned couples in her book where one or both of the parties in the relationship may not exactly be what you would call anti-racist.
Isn't this just a short film featuring actors?
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