White Student Raises Affirmative Action Case against University, Again?

White Student Raises Affirmative Action Case against University, Again?

Will a recent case against UT signal the end of Affirmative Action as we know it today? The conservative leaning Supreme Court may close that chapter sooner than we think.

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Affirmative Action has been a hot button issue and a proverbial bad word since the landmark case of Bakke v. UC Regents in 1978. Bakke ruled the use of race in a “quota” system of college admissions unconstitutional. Simultaneously, it set a precedent which allowed the use of race or gender in the totality of an applicant’s academic portfolio. The basic premise underscored in this ruling was that institutions of higher education had the constitutional right to seek diversity amongst their student body. Yet, today, this right to diversity has been challenged once again.

In 2008, a young white woman named Abigail Fisher was denied admittance into the University of Texas at Austin. She subsequently filed suit against the school, claiming that her race worked against her in the applications process. And, she notes that she has had long-term suffering due to the rejection by UT. Her qualm with the system takes root in the Affirmative Action reaffirmation cases, Grutter v. Bollinger and Gratz v. Bollinger (2003). Both cases helped shape the race consideration method most public and private universities use in admissions today. Just this week, her case reached the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS). And, according to the President of the University of Texas, these fundamental SCOTUS decisions are integral in understanding UT’s use of race in filling its ranks.

UT’s official brief filing noted that Fisher would not have gained admission into the University even with a perfect “index score” because of the highly competitive nature of the entering class of 2008. Conversely, UT’s current “automatic” admittance of the top 8% of high school students in Texas has already produced quite a bit of diversity at the highly coveted institution. The University explained further that more analysis “shows that white students with lower scores also were admitted, while many more minority students with higher scores than Fisher also were not offered admission.” This raises questions around the purpose of race or other “special circumstances” in the applications process at all if the 8% rule has sufficiently diversified the student body and does not yield any particular benefit to racial minorities.

But what seems most interesting in Fisher v. University of Texas et al. is the timing of this case. The Supreme Court is more conservative than it was in 2003 when Gratz and Grutter were decided. And, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court, which includes Chief Justice John Roberts, and Justices Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, Anthony Kennedy, and Antonin Scalia, may give Fisher the swing in favor that she is hoping for. Just a few years ago, all but Justice Kennedy advocated for an end to affirmative action on the whole. And, with liberal leaning Justice Elena Kagan recusing herself due to prior involvement, the outcome does not look positive for the UT lawyers.

Recently, the “Citizens United” Decision or Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (2010) generated oodles of dialogue on the left and right about Supreme Court Justices “legislating from the bench.” But, the heavily contested decision to uphold President Obama’s sweeping healthcare legislation implied that the Court may not be one way or the other on constitutional matters. So what is the fate of Affirmative Action? Will we even know once the decision in this case has been made? The jury is out on that one.

Yet, one must wonder if this case has reached the Supreme Court out of necessity or out of political convenience. With the first Black president currently in office and a resounding desire from the American public to be “post-racial,” this case seems a bit out of touch. Though the issue of Affirmative Action seems to never have settled, it seems an odd time and an odd plaintiff for this attempt to undo the historical practice. What is clear here is that Affirmative Action will remain a point of contention as long as race is a consideration in any vetting process whether it be academic, professional or personal. How we work with that consideration remains to be seen. And how the SCOTUS treats it going forward will be decided in the coming weeks.

 

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WriteToLive 78 pts

Truthfully, the SCOTUS shouldn't be able to change any rulings dealing with Affirmative Action regarding this case because this student has no grounds. She is not qualified for admittance to the school, regardless of her status. So what could the SCOTUS even set as a precedent? If you consider race/gender/etc. in your admittance policy, you cannot decline admission to the unqualified?

Blackberry 1177 pts

Great article. I do think affirmative action is slowly being chipped away. And the court of public opinion will turn her case into a more basic race debate rather a discussion about the role do diversity in education. I do believe that universities should be allowed to use diversity considerations when admitting students. What does really look like in practice ....only admissions personnel can provide that information. 


 This whole "reverse discrimination affirmative action" claim will be ridiculously hard to prove unless there is evidence of some improper institutional bias (as in the quota system from Bakke). But it's all very loose...HBC's let in non-black students, but they are still predominately black and the such schools want to maintain that's legacy. No one complains then. Similar no one complains that Smith College only let's in girls? Is smith wrong ....when was the last time a male sued smith for not admitting him? I'm really asking....when was the lat time a black person sued a university claiming discrimination for not being accepted. University admission is competitive ....who knows why you get in some places and not others.


 Absent a very clear institution bias just attend the school where you were accepted and move on. If you're a decent student and you've applied to more than one school you'll likely get into a good school.

Joyce345 1738 pts

This is a prime example of a white person playing the race card.

 

I suspect that if Affirmative Action were done away with it wouldn't make much difference to blacks in America. First off, the primary beneficiaries are white women. Secondly, Affirmative Action creates resentment towards blacks which potentially leads to blacks missing out on opportunities.

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

Gosh, well I would like to be hired because I do my job right and I have the required skills. Not because I'm black. That goes for EVERYBODY. I don't want to be fired 'because I'm black' I'd rather be fired because 'I'm a bitch, and I smoke weed on my breaks.' 

 

I don't know much about AAction. But what I do know is that it benefits white women the most. But I'm no expert on it. 

Blackberry 1177 pts

@TheZitaZitomihr ....a bitch who smokes weed on my breaks....LOL definetly fired!

JannaAshley 571 pts

I am no expert on Affirmative Action, and I'm sure the majority of those that cry about it the most aren't either. Do white women not know they also benefit from this type of diversity policy? While they have the benefit of being white, they also have the disadvantage of being women. Did she not understand how competitive it is to get into universities? Why assume she was such a great applicant that her being white could possibly be the one and only reason she wasn't accepted?? Grades alone aren't enough.

I remember my first year at OSU I was talking to my friend - a white women. She was not in college and applying for jobs with no luck. She made some ignorant statement that she couldn't get one because of affirmative action. Hmm...you barely graduated high school, have no work experience, and applying for jobs you may not be qualified for...yeah, let's just say it's because you're white lol. This is the friend that didn't understand why having BET is not racist...

I can't speak for all universities, but I noticed at OSU they raised their standards for the incoming class every year. They want to get the top students, things get more competitive, they can't accept endless numbers of students, so that means you can't always get into your school of choice.

People get angry over affirmative action, but get angry about the history that made it necessary. If things had been based on fairness in the beginning we wouldn't have to try to help all kinds of minorities play "catch up." When people are struggling or not having their way they look for someone to blame it on.

Law Wanxi 5790 pts

This will be brief, as it's midnight where I am [Taiwan] and I have a big business day ahead of me on Saturday. 

 

It looks like the whole USA might be getting Californicated by the Supreme Court. 

 

The good part is that it shuts up the opponents of Affirmative Action, for the most part. The bad part is available to see in the UC/CalState system statistics freely available pre- and post-Prop209. 

 

I went to NoName, part of the CalState system, pre-209. It had a 4% Black/African American population in my freshman year. This year that same segment is 0.5%. OK, maybe they all got into more prestigious schools in Cali. Or not. The Latino proportion then was 8% and this year it's 15%. Whites dropped from 80% to 62%. 

 

I went to Mid-Pack Med School, part of the UC system, in the first post-209 class under the new rules. There was no longer a 'cap' on the number of Asians [med schools had quotas and the Asians were frozen at 8%; they're now 23% at Mid-Pack] and I benefitted from the rule change. Blacks didn't. Latinos pretty much stayed the same, although their numbers are rising. 

 

I think the thing that bothers me the most is the broad 'Black/African American' label. This includes everyone in one statistically blurred group. It does not separate out American Blacks [West African Slave ancestry] from recent immigrants from Africa [everywhere on the continent]. The immigrant group, the best educated and highest earning identifiable Visible Minority [thanks, Canada; I'm stealing your term, LOL] in the USA [ask Jamila, she knows this stuff better than I do; actually she knows a bunch of stuff better than I do...] sends their children to university in great numbers and they are as prepared as any East or South Asian. Yeah, Indian has tigers too, with Tiger Moms to match any Chinese woman anywhere. So, as the African immigrants numbers increase, 'Black/African American' stats may show improvement when the actual situation on the ground in the Real World may be worsening for Legacy African-Americans. This is a statistical situation which needs to be addressed as time goes forward if we are to have valid measures of improvement or lack of same.

 

I'm back on the 16th. It has not been fun; I've missed my revenue growth goals and I'm pissed off about it.

Grrrrrrrrr. 

 

Tammy_Ghalden 864 pts

This chick is stupid. Does she know how hard it would be for women to get into science programs if it weren't for affirmative action. Does she know how hard it would be for her to get a job in a male-dominated profession? People almost always mistaken affirmative action for a quota. Quotas are illegal. 

 

The top 10% rule gives all hard working students a chance to attend a good school. High school grades have more correlation with college success than standardized test scores. It's not the end of the world for her to go to UT-Dallas or Texas A&M. 

DWB 7458 pts

 Tammy_Ghalden Science schools reject women who meet the standards for men that don't?

Tammy_Ghalden 864 pts

 DWB No, the point is that women (including white women) benefit from diversity policies. Women, in general, score lower than men on the quantitative sections of standardized tests; but women also, on average, graduate from college with higher grades. Uncompetitive quantitative scores (still have to meet minimum standards however) on something like the GRE can keep a person out of a graduate science program even if his or her undergraduate GPA was high.

 

 

DWB 7458 pts

 Tammy_Ghalden Math seems quite important to science so it seems understandable that candidates excelling in that section of tests would be more desirable. Do you think that those scores are purposefully over-weighted to exclude women? Will lowering the required math score needed to qualify harm the quality of scientists produced?

Tammy_Ghalden 864 pts

 DWB  Tammy_Ghalden It's not about the minimum score. Receiving a minimum score or GPA does not guarantee admission. A school or program can only take in so many students, so only the people with the top GPAs and top test scores will get in. However, this is not how all schools and programs operate. Some recognize that the top scorers may not always be the best students or the best fit for their academic culture, so they may go with a lower score. That other student still has to meet minimum standards, however. 

Blackberry 1177 pts

@Tammy_Ghalden @DWB Good explanation Tammy. But there other considerations. Some people allege (agree or disagree if you want) that there some biases on standardized exams....based on how them exams are formed. So knowing the demographics of the student does affect the understand of the score they achieved. Did they come from an unacheiveing school with a poor test prep program., but they have good grades ? Are they from a highly competitive school where having a 3.8 puts them below that the top 15%? Beyond that a school want to tweak their internal numbers independent of the value of the candidates. For example a school (with an otherwise diverse student body) may want to increase diversity in a specific degree field. For example: international relations department and so the school may place greater emphasis on a student applying for that major.

Avoc42883 1222 pts

Ya know... Its pretty much NEVER the white students with 4.0 GPA's complaining about these sort of things.  In my observation it was always the B+ types that were making these sorts of arguments.  The highest achieving students who I knew were white were too busy studying and focused on their studies and they got into the schools they wanted. hmmm... perhaps there's a correlation? 

 

I'd love to know this girl's evidence.  Legally she can't have access to all the non-white student's grades to their grades, so how does she know.  And as someone who often looked around in lecture classes that were 80 students deep to realize I was the ONLY black or non-white person in the room what exactly is she complaining about? Even if I got my spot unfairly, its only one spot.  I know several people who applied to my school and didn't get in, did I manage to take ALL of their spots? 

onmywayup 1749 pts

 "Ya know... Its pretty much NEVER the white students with 4.0 GPA's complaining about these sort of things."

Lmao...I've noticed this as well.  I've had people from my high school complain to me that they couldn't get into the university I got into because "minorities" took their spot.  Aside from the fact that affirmative action is no longer legal where I live... I received a 4.0 and great test scores and they usually got something like a 3.6 or 3.7, mediocre test scores, and few if any extracurriculars...I didn't really say anything though, just laughed in my head at their foolishness.  But seriously...it must be sad living in that world where you are busy worrying about who took your spot instead of moving on with life!

 

Besides, when that "boo-hoo, affirmative action" nonsense comes from a white woman, I laugh even harder because they benefit the most from that system.

Alana 2 387 pts

It seems that some people feel entitled to the upper hand at all times. Notice how people spend much less effort railing against legacy admissions, admissions for children whose parents can pay full tuition, athletes/star scientists/musicians/etc. and more.

 

White people have a choice: either affirmative action with an inflated number of Black and Latino students, or no affirmative action with a high number of Asian and Asian-American students. Either way, they still "win" due to legacy admissions, influential parents, lacrosse scholarships, and more.

 

Some people are so privileged that efforts toward equality look like discrimination to them. If this student really wanted in UT, she should have attended a poor-performing school so that her class ranking would be higher.

iHeartLove 804 pts

I don't feel like a generous person saying this, but I can't help, but feel that she just couldn't accept that she was rejected...while brown kids were accepted. 

 

I went to a private ivy league college for undergrad and grad school and a number of times I heard white kids complaining that they hadn't gotten into some other so and so school because some minority took their spot. Meanwhile they went out drinking and I was up in the library. Definitely pissed me off.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

I would bust out my white tears gif but some one might turn their neck and call me a racist again -_-'

 

But it's definitely true that white females and white people in general benefit the most from affirmative action. They just call call them legacies for the most part. Or nepitism when it comes to the workplace. And the people who tell me this the most, are white people. Suddenly, The Unwritten Rules pops up into my head with Racey's white friend who got her job because the CEO was her dad's golfing buddy or something like that.

 

When it comes to college alone, after HBCUs and scholarships catering to black were established, many scholarships catering to white men especially began popping up in excess. Many of them read that applicants must have at least 1/4 white ancestry (so on a side note that's a plus for many of our children!). I wish some black student - black female student, would try to do something similar. The case probably wouldn't even make it passed filing. There's your affirmative action.

 

I mean that's a lot of hassle just to remind people that you're white. If she was really smart and wanted to go to UT that bad, she could have just gone to her safety school freshman year and transferred as a sophomore. The standards for admission usually drop for transfer students anyway. And if she would have excelled at her freshman studies, she would have been exceptional candidate. I know this because it's exactly what I did. I got accepted to my university as a transfer with a 3.6 college GPA after being rejected twice while applying as a freshman. While my school isn't at a top 10% admission, it is still fairly competitive for a SUNY so I think the comparison is valid as UT is also a state school.

 

Even if she wins her case, it's still not like the school would accept her. So all of her "suffering" over being rejected was all for not. Seeing as this happened in 2008, let us hope she had the sense to go to a different school before they could revoke her acceptance. 

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I hardly ever have time to think about affirmative action like that because I stay having to scratch and claw my way to the top. I just started a job that I applied to three times before getting a call back. And now talking to my new co-workers, half of them seem to have been hired right out of college, while I've already had 2 years of working experience and internships under my belt when I first applied there. Now I'm not throwing stones. I'm just saying, it's interesting.

iHeartLove 804 pts

 VintageNarcissa Ms. Fisher needs to learn about life. 

 

"I just started a job that I applied to three times before getting a call back"

 

Congrats on the new job! This year I started a job I first applied for in 2004. I was rejected then and yes I did cry about it. But fortunately I'm patient. muahahahaha. Now it's 2012. I've been there for almost a year and the LURVE me. ;D

 

 

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 iHeartLove That's awesome for you too! I don't know about these wasps and trust fund babies but it really does feel good when hard work and definitely patience pays off. And I say this as an extremely impatient person. lol 

sMoriarty 505 pts

 VintageNarcissa 

"I would bust out my white tears gif but some one might turn their neck and call me a racist again -_-' "

 

Which is why you have me:

http://imageshack.us/a/img696/6601/whitetears.gif

Brenda55 19418 pts moderator

 sMoriarty  VintageNarcissa Whoooh.  Something got lost in translation.  I thought your gif was funny and I thought I was answering in kind. My bad. 

sMoriarty 505 pts

 Brenda55  VintageNarcissa 

lol no, no i didn't mean anything mean anything serious by my second gif. It was more of a playful jab :)

Brenda55 19418 pts moderator

 sMoriarty  VintageNarcissa Everytime I see the actor I that gif I have to wonder just what kind of ego it took for him to go into show biz. That is NOT a good looking man.

sMoriarty 505 pts

 Brenda55 

haha, no I suppose he isn't, but I like him, he's really funny.

 

In fact, none of the actors from the Office are 'particularly' good looking but I think the average looks of the actors is part of the charm of the show, plus they're all a riot so~

Ahot 22 pts

 sMoriarty  VintageNarcissa LMAO! Brilliant!

JannaAshley 571 pts

 sMoriarty  VintageNarcissa 

 

Thank you - I needed to lmao :)

violalove 141 pts

Admissions at UT is no joke - I was an Admissions Counselor for five years and I know many of the counselors there. They receive more than 30,000 applications a year, and at most they will only admit about 10% of those students.  At every college fair I've been to, the UT admissions staff makes it extremely clear about their tough admission standards, and from what I can tell just on the academic side, this girl never stood a chance to begin with.  The top 10% rule in the state is designed to allow students of all racial and cultural backgrounds with an exceptional academic record to get an education at any public university - this education means so much more to the top 10% kids I've worked with in urban school districts who work just as hard but may not have the same economic and social capital she does.  She needs to check her white privilege at the door and accept the fact gaining acceptance to a university is earned, not something she is entitled to, and that the other kids who were accepted (regardless of race), were chosen because they were academically superior.

 

I really don't feel bad that she didn't get admitted, because this lawsuit proves that she doesn't deserve to go to UT.  Her assertion that none of the other institutions in Texas provide equally great educational experiences and post-graduation opportunities is telling about her maturity level.  How is she going to handle working in the real world? Is she going to question every new Black/Hispanic/Asian hire as an affirmative action hire?  Will she file a lawsuit about that if she doesn't get the job?

 

If we knew about this in advance, no admissions counselor in the world would ever want to admit her, even if her relatives were alumni... I'm praying for the committee whoever reviews her grad school application, if she ever decides to go...

jillodelight 516 pts

 violalove Thank you! I went to went to high school in Sachse,TX and I was friends with some brilliant students (both genders, White, Asian, Indian, Hispanic, and Black) who got rejected as well. Get over it! I even meet some brilliant transfer students in college who couldn't get in. Seriously, let it go, everyone knows UTA is REALLY competitive, especially now.  WW benefit from affirmative action more than anyone, so I'm not buying her claim.

jillodelight 516 pts

 violalove It's a party school anyway lol She should have just applied somewhere else and visited Austin during Spring Break like the rest of us.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 jillodelight  violalove ROFL! Really? UT's School of Journalism is one that I'm considering for my Masters. But the party school status dies down on the graduate level, right?

ChristieRJohnson 1104 pts

 jillodelight  violalove UT's Michener Center for Writers graduate is suppose to be pretty good too.  There fellowship support is top notch: 27,500/yr, no tuition or fees and there is no teaching requirement.  Highly selective program, of course.  Maybe I'll apply, when I get the guts.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 ChristieRJohnson  jillodelight  violalove LOL! So serious! I would apply. But I'm scurred! 

jillodelight 516 pts

 VintageNarcissa  violalove Haha, well the party school rumor is one I've heard passed around from teachers who went there and a few classmates who got in.  But if it's a touch school to get into, I imagine most of the fun is had by the freshmen.

jillodelight 516 pts

 VintageNarcissa  violalove *tough*

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 jillodelight  violalove Hehe, true true. Freshman admission is cut throat for real! I just read an article the other day about one of NY's top high schools having a trend of students cheating in less important classes so they have time to study for more important classes. I kinda don't blame them for cutting loose once they're accepted. 

violalove 141 pts

 VintageNarcissa  jillodelight

 LOL honestly, I have no clue about graduate - I was looking into their Sociology program, and it's I think one of the top 10 competitive programs. But I know for undergrads it's really hard - their acceptance rate for transfer students is even lower than that for freshmen, if you can believe it... No wonder those kids party all the time, all that stress to get in!

violalove 141 pts

 ChristieRJohnson  jillodelight

 You should! I hope you get in! :)

Maxine 1005 pts

I'm not sure where people are going with these lawsuits.  Can she prove she definitely would've been accepted if she were a minority?  Say they take race completely out of the equation, which would hurt Hispanic and black numbers.  There might still be an Asian student with higher grades/test scores taking her place!

DWB 7458 pts

 Maxine Which is exactly why that Asian (or whatever) who WAS discriminated against should be the one bringing this case. Since she failed to me the standards for for admission, I don't understand why this particular woman has a case.