Author Spotlight: Dr. Kellina Talks Interracial Love: Are Black  Women FINALLY Ready?

Author Spotlight: Dr. Kellina Talks Interracial Love: Are Black Women FINALLY Ready?

Author Spotlight: Dr. Kellina Talks Interracial Love

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By Kellina Craig-Henderson, author of Black Women in Interracial Relationships: In Search of Love and Solace

I have always been interested in the factors that influence how and why people get along with others. But, my interest in interracial relationships hadn’t really coalesced until a number of years ago when I learned that an African American man who worked in my organization had said that he was not interested in making a “love connection” with any African American woman because he “had nothing in common with Black women.” These were his words, and to add insult to injury, he followed this remark with a proposition for a date to a mutual friend who happened to be a White woman.

My reactions at that time ranged from sheer bafflement to anger to quiet disregard. I did not understand how a person could dismiss an entire demographic of people who no doubt looked a lot like his own mother, sisters, aunties or nanas. He was highly educated, of Caribbean descent and had features that shouted his African ancestry.

I don’t know what’s become of him now, but I do know that he spurred me to systematically tackle some of the difficult issues and realities that characterize interracial intimacy (see my 2006 book Black Men in Interracial Relationships: What’s Love Got to Do With It?). I have him to thank for my continued research on this subject.

In recent years, I have focused on understanding when, why and how people – primarily African Americans – become involved in intimate heterosexual relationships. My forthcoming book, Black Women in Interracial Relationships: In Search of Love and Solace (Sept/Oct 2010) looks closely at the experiences of a group of African American women who have each made the decision to be intimately involved with men who are not Black. Most of the women I spoke with were married to White men. Although the women described unique circumstances and experiences leading up to their own relationships, all of them shared an awareness of certain realities that to varying degrees were related to their decision.

What were some of those realities? Perhaps the most obvious reality concerns the dismal prospects many of them reported facing relative to Black men. That is, there were few available African American men that they considered to be worthwhile potential partners. To be frank, the pickings and prospects were slim! This is a reflection of the disparity between Black men and women on certain key variables that when taken together reveal stark differences in quality of life and life expectancies. There are more African American women than men who have made educational and occupational gains, for example. The reasons for this are complex and speak to the continuing presence of anti-Black sentiment in this society, among other things. Yes – I said the continuing reality of anti-Black sentiment in this society. I know this may not sit well with some who believe that “Obama in the White House = absence of anti-Black sentiment,” but when one carefully considers how Black folks as a group are faring on a host of quality of life indices, it is very hard to argue that race no longer matters.

Another reality that influenced the choices made by the women I was fortunate enough to speak with concerned the need to have to play games with the rare Black man who came with the total package (i.e., he was comparably educated and employed). True, the mating game generally requires that one be willing to play, but it does not require dishonesty or reckless dalliances with others. This obviously takes on particular importance for those who are interested in monogamous relationships. Some of the women described painful experiences they had had with African American men who were so-called “great catches” that revealed that they really weren’t so great after all. In fact, when these Black men consciously took advantage of the numbers by dating 3 or 4 or 5 different women at any one time they were downright detestable!

Having spent some time reading the posts from a number of different forums discussing IR, I see now that the trends I discuss in my new book have opened the door to others who may not have previously considered any of the issues I’ve raised here. As one woman whose post I read recently put it: “Hell, I’m curious, I want to try it too.” Interestingly, that was not a motive I recall hearing from any of the women I interviewed in my book. I suspect that may be because curiosity is not enough to sustain a long-term relationship or marriage like the kind that many of the women I spoke to reported having.

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tomrobbs 6 pts

I think BW are already ready about interracial relationship, what ever happened to liking who you like and find compatible instead of getting into this whole lame justification of what kind of race you have.

The whole bw are using wm as a back up plan or as a last resort is utter nonsense. The stats say(viva the ncfr) that wm/bw marriages are amongst the most enduring. If bw were only marrying and dating wm, as a last ditch affort to avoid being alone the stats would be the opposite, right?

Your reasons for dating IR are your business alone and you don't have to justify them to anyone. The thing I have a problem with is when bm say that they prefer women of other races to bw and they are critized for it. I prefer men of other races to bm, does that make me a horrible person? It's the 20th century and it's time for us as bm and bw to move on, especially bw. I don't care about bm and who they prefer to date and mate with, I never have and never will. I believe this comes from the fact that I have always been open to men of other races.

I know the indoctrination that most aaw have experienced most of their lives is making it hard for them to move on. But it's time to face reality.

And Liza you're right. People can do whatever they want with whomever they want when it comes to love and sex. It's not my business and not once as a grown woman have I ever explained to anyone why I date who I date and am about to marry who I marry. What black men do is their business, if I want people to stay out my relationship choices, I must do the same.

You know this discussion touches on so many things, many deep seeted inferiority complex issues within the black community. A member of our FB group made similar comment how she does not have 'Negroes Features....like WTF...what century is this?

This idea that you have to justify why you date rainbow people by dehumanizing or belittling black people or culture for that matter screams what I call inferiority complex slave mentality. This is not something that can be displayed only by some black people, also its seen in the Arab, Asians, Hispanics, Persians cultures. What ever happened to liking who you like and find compatible instead of getting into this whole lame arse justification, which doesn't make you look good to someone who is not of your own community.

I remember a guy few yrs back hitting on me because he found Ethiopian, Somali and Eritrean ladies much more beautiful and not really black....and he was a black dude from Jamaica. I gave him a piece of my mind and walked off.....meeting people like that only makes me pity them and their self loathing.

Here is what this person said over @ FB:

{I, to an extent understand some carte blanche statement. For example, I have found, I do not have much in common with someone who shares my skin tone or is of a darker one etc.Whenever I travel, I tend to relate to caucasians more than negoes. I am VERY mixed, told I do not have "negro features". My ancestors are from Spain, but all that aside, I hate when it is assumed I would want to date someone who is also negro..why? I like my coffee black, my clothing & cars & pretty much that's it. I am more likely to be attracted to a caucasion guy..AND most importantly be able to relate to him, from my experience that is.}

Here is my response:

"I'm confused Jan, what exactly is a 'Negroes features'? Honestly, what century is this anyway? For one, RACE is socially constructed and made up Western concept that has nothing to do with human diversity or ethnic identity. There are so-called African features and Caucasians features in all people regardless of their skin color. Let's leave these internalized inferiority complex slave mentality @ the door and recognize humanity goes beyond Americans obsession with race.

besides, your ancestry might be from Spain, but Spanish people would not consider you among them....again bigotry and racism goes beyond North America."

There needs to be a serious uhaul of terms in this country. It's sick.

I like your comment Hodan, I don't have to dislike or hate another person to like or love someone else. My deciding to date interracially had nothing to do with my dislike or hate of black men, in fact, I don't dislike or hate black men and I don't like or love all non-bm. My acceptance of you is on terms with you as the person, not as the race. I certainly don't hate me, don't hate being a black American, don't hate that I have African ancestry. It sometimes seems that in IRR dating and marriage that people assume you hate the other thing, the like the other one. And for some folks I've seen that has been true in dating/mating IR and I've seen that in all kinds of IRR relationships no matter the color of the man or woman. It doesn't make sense to me, but then I travel a different path, maybe it's not supposed to make sense to me.

"It sometimes seems that in IRR dating and marriage that people assume you hate the other thing, the like the other one."

Eugenia,

If this was in fact the case, then that would be your business. When people of other races date outside of their race, I rarely if ever hear anyone questioning whether they hate themselves or their own race. I only hear this ignorant nonsense from bp. I just don't have time to acknowledge other black people's foolishness.

Lisa, I'm talking about my experience not yours. And yes I've seen it on occasion been accused of it on occasion. I'm just bringing up something that has happened to me, those are the only experiences I have to go by. I never stated it as a fact and I'm not really sure why you're all huffy about it. I didn't say I worried about it, but some people may be having that experience just because you don't have it or don't worry about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's just a different perspective. I'm not much for worrying about what people say or do when it comes to my life, it's my life not theirs. And yes, I have seen people either do this or get accused of it across the IRR dating/mating spectrum. So I'm not just talking about black and white people, in that whole post you took that one sentence and ran with it and made into something it wasn't even close to being. Geez!

And also I never said anyone questions themselves on whether they hate themselves or their race, that's not even what that said. I said they may have been accused by someone from their race, that they hate their race. You know you've gotten hot under the collar for absolutely nothing. Sorry you got so offended but you totally read that wrong.

I never had an issue with interracial dating because I see it like this: if you really wanted those pair of Jimmy Choos, would you reject them because they came in a red box instead of a blue one? That's why, even with my overwhelming preference for white guys, if a black, Asian, Native American, Hispanic, or Martian (as long as he comes in peace) man who is compatible with me wants to go out...sure, no problem. I would doing a jig in private, not sulking over the color of his skin. To all those shaky lurkers (I know you're out there *wink*) I'll just let you know what everyone else doesn't want you to think: interracial dating is not that serious!!

Let's get back to commenting on the blog post.

@aabaakawad,

i WAS actually done posting on this thread... but that was just plain rude.

yes, two commenters engaged in a dialogue. but that dialogue was inspired by and related to the blog post, insofar as our conversation was about one of the difficulties black women face when making the choice to explore IR relationships. christelyn herself has said here that sometimes she enjoys/learns a great deal (and gets ideas for new topics) from discussions that stem from blog commentary. and if you disagree, that's certainly your right. condescenion, however, is not. do not expect to police grown women (on a blog that is not even yours) as if they were wayward children and not be called on it.

christelyn, if i disturbed YOU with my participation in the exchange, my bad. delete away.

I completely agree, Stephanie. This post is up for discussion, and thus there was a discussion. We were both just stating our opinions and getting a better understanding on said opinions. Nothing more.

Didn't mean to condescend. I had no trouble with the convo, just wanted to restart the commenting.

@ Stephanie:

DISCLAIMER: What I am mentioning below is not happening in great numbers, but I am mentioning it because it is happening enough for me to make a comment about it.

I totally understand WHY the women say those things, however I still believe that this is said at the expense of making women who are switching to IRR date feel bad about their decision. Let's face it, the BW who grew up wanting to IRR date and exclusively dated non-blacks are the **minority**. If it wasn't the case, why would we need this website/blog?

While my friends and *I* grew up dating IRR (and never even been on a date with a BM), I can tell you of scores of other BW whom did not dated IRR nor even thought that dating IRR was an option. I don't think these women need to be attacked for both 1) For solely dated black men for whatever reason and 2) Now, given the state of affairs with BM, BW are willing to IRR date. Actually I don't care why a woman once to date IRR. Just like I don't question why white and other men date are dating whom they are dating. As long as these people are happy in their situation, and their actions don't harm others, then I'm all good.

***I'm just hoping the more people who date IRR date, the more it will be accepted. I know things like this will never be fully accepted, which hurts my idealistic soul, but I am starting to see more BW wanting to explore their options, and not feel the need to "have to" date a BM. We may not reach all BW, because we all don't believe the same things, but I will be happy to reach the ones who are at least open-minded enough to consider it.

** not "once", but "wants"

@elaine,

how i share your wounded idealistic soul... :)

i agree wholeheartedly that black women making the choice to date IR after dating black men exclusively don't need or deserve to be attacked!!!! i'm rather taken aback (and frankly, saddened) to hear that you've interpreted my comments that way.

the times when i have said things to that effect, they were NEVER to or about women making that choice, but in rebuttal to the type of nonsense i've been hearing/reading (that i mentioned above) about how black women don't actually WANT white/other non-bm, they're just a last ditch effort to avoid buying 20 cats. it's levied as if black women are not making personal, adult choices but being dragged into IR dating/marriage kicking and screaming. and THAT is the type of thing i think would make a woman making the switch feel bad. i don't question anyone's motives either, but rather give everyone the benefit of the doubt that when it comes to relationships they're acting out of want (don't care WHY you want it, mind you) and not force. which is what i was/am trying to say, in black women's DEFENSE.

so i did not, and still do not, see how adding my personal truth to the conversation would make a black woman dating IR for the first time feel bad about her decision. i would hope that woman would read my words as "see, she made a choice. i made a choice. i'm not apologizing. i'm doing what i want and you naysayers can't tell me i don't really want what i want!"

i say what i say with passion, and sometimes vitriol, but always with the intent of uplifting black women and their right to do as they please in matters of the heart.

Sorry, I didn't mean it was your comments. I'm just stating comments I have seen across IRR blogs and blogs from BW.

Also, I do understand what you are saying. It is as if people are thinking these women are going from the much "desired black man" to the "undesirable non-BM". I too get disgusted with such sentiments. Some people are acting as if BW are saying I'll just go with anything and choose any man they can. I personally just see it as once BW are finally awakening to seeing the non-BM in a different light. It's like before they had blinders on while dating BM, and now that the blinders have been removed, they can now see the beauty of other men. I really don't think that there are a bunch of BW dating men they don't find desirable. Actually, my friends who have now "switched over" seem happier now than they did with BM, and they can't believe they had not considered dating IRR before lol.

@elaine,

hey, you certainly don't have to apologize to me for pointing out what you find to be a disturbing trend! like you said, if it was all sunshine and roses out there, we wouldn't need these blogs. i just wanted to explain my INDIVIDUAL intent as i fall into the overall group of women who say things akin to "non-bm are not my back up plan" so that if any black women who made the switch recently are feeling attacked by this, they would have another perspective.

i actually consider it a good thing to know that such comments *may* be taken as slams, so that i can make sure i am as clear as possible the next time i find myself making one. so thank you, elaine. just do NOT tell my fiance (a professor) or 2 best friends (both litigators) that i admitted i can learn from constructive criticism as those jerks will milk it for all it's worth.

First: The statement that "I have nothing in common with black women, thus I date WW", is definitely something I heard from BW as well (exchanging BW,WW with BM, WM of course). Actually, I have said something similar in the past, before I knew better than to even answer such questions from strangers. I can understand this sentiment, because I have tastes in music, food, and other things that I think some BM would not respect nor understand. I listen to everything from Joni Mitchell to India.Aire to System of the Down to La Lupe, and, since music is a big part of my life, I wouldn't want anyone to diss anything that I listen to. Plus, I want to be and have a family that is at least bilingual (with Spanish), but preferably multilingual. I personally don't meet a lot of BM who would want the same. I am sure these guys are out there, but when you limit yourself to one race, the chances of finding said men are very slim. I know with some BM, who are really misogynist, are just using this excuse to date WW (because they are the antithesis of the "angry, independent BW" stereotype), but maybe this guy grew up in a majority white environment and really does feel out of touch with the black community in general?? Who knows lol . . .

As far as women now being open to IRR, for whatever reason, after dating solely within their race, I say good for them! It's funny because I have heard a few BW complain on IRR blogs about the women who switch over saying "I don't treat non-BM like a back up plan" and things of that nature. This always makes me shake my head. I mean, BW can't win for losing lol.

frankly, i don't get this "bafflement" and "wincing" meme because it is a) is strange and egoistic to me that one can have a disquieting visceral reaction to a co-worker/complete stranger's love choices (provided we're talking about consenting adults, of course) and b) based on the very false premise that similar skin shade = obvious compatibility. because a woman "no doubt look[s] a lot like" a colleague's "aunties and nanas" means they will have enough in common to start and sustain a relationship? or that she should be given automatic consideration? and that a woman who is already a friend but of a different color therefore is a poor, insulting, and injurious choice? i cannot and will not get on board with any of that.

however, i applaud the author for not stopping the conversation there. she bravely owns her stages of grief and notes that she not only moved on to a peaceful state but also used this experience as a catalyst for researching and writing books which will hopefully broaden others' horizons as well.

@elaine: i just wanted to say that i am one of those women who has made a point of saying on BWIR/BWE blogs that non-bm are not a second choice for me. and that is something i will continue to do. for me, it is in no way a "complaint" aimed at black women who are making the choice to start dating out. on the contrary, i am thrilled for them! i am all for anyone breaking out of self-or-society-imposed boundaries in the pursuit of success in life and love. at any age, any stage.

however, since these blogs devote much time to analyzing the negative stereotypes that black women face in IR dating, i think it would be foolish and irresponsible to not at least acknowledge the seeds of this "black women really only want black men. but now they're desperate and looking for an escape plan" sentiment becoming a new one. no man with self-respect wants a woman who doesn't want him but will consider tolerating his presence because there aren't enough black guys to go around. so for every person spouting that garbage, i'm glad there are others (including myself) speaking up to say that not every black woman seeking IR is a foaming-mouth spinster who will spend most of your first date wincing at black men. i'm not about helping build barriers to black women's fulfillment and i see the potential for this to become one, as those who seek to limit us are using the "2 million more black women than black men" statistic not to inform (as BWE writers do), but to threaten.

There is a huge anti-black sentiment in this country, especially amongst those considered "black". I would be lying to say I don't indulge or rather participate in it. I think that's why it is so huge, the "blacks" utilize it more than anyone else (maybe).

I have always been attracted to WM. I can remember at age 4 my attraction. But I have liked all across the rainbow, but desire WM. Idk why I just do and never questioned it. The factors outlined have never been a factor to me.
I think I was Gaelic in a past life but that's another story.

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