Black Women, Love and Where They <em>WON’T</em> Find It (Part 1)

Black Women, Love and Where They WON’T Find It (Part 1)

Whether it’s bigots or men who are with you for reasons having nothing to do with love, “it doesn’t matter. You won’t get what you want and need from these people and you are wasting time and energy not drawing this conclusion and electing to move on to the alternative: Persons that DO love and support you.”

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I already know I’m going to get someone going, “but you don’t understand!” or “that’s easy for you to say!” or some other means of validating and justifying a low opinion of yourself as a black woman or of black women as a group.

I’ll try and save you the trouble: I’m not interested. I am never interested in a point of view that is absolutely determined to put black women down or to hear out people reaching for any and every excuse to convince themselves and every other black women that “they aren’t a prize” or that “nobody wants us.”

I cannot force someone to have a high opinion of themselves as individuals. I can’t make you like you if you don’t like yourself. And I certainly can’t make you love yourself or want to feel worthy of being loved. That is just something that no one can do for you except YOU.

 

But, one thing I can do is try to get across a very basic idea when it comes to looking for love:

 

You won’t find it with people who are N-O-T interested in loving you.

 

Whether it’s bigots or men who are with you for reasons having nothing to do with love, it doesn’t matter. You won’t get what you want and need from these people and you are wasting time and energy not drawing this conclusion and electing to move on to the alternative: Persons that DO love and support you.

This seems like a very simple and obvious idea, but take nothing for granted when it comes to black women and the concentrated efforts by some parties to make black women face a reality where “nobody wants you” or “you are last pick” or any other variation of mental and emotional abuse. Make no mistake, this is a VERY popular tactic used by people who want to abuse others in order to ensure that the victim feels so low about his or herself, they become immobilized because they believe no one else will ever want/love them so they’d might as well stay where they are and take the abuse.

 

Even putting abuse aside, I recall a conversation where black women said what types of persons they weren’t interested in. And did you know what people absolutely went to town on how wrong and unfair that was, rather than accept the reality that YES, it is within an individual’s rights to NOT want you? All the energy spent arguing about fairness could just as easily be spent realizing that (1) such people have every right to rule you out as a mate (2) you have just as much right to accept this and rule them right back out and (3) fixate instead on worrying about finding and loving someone who loves and wants you as much as you want and love them back.

 

This is why I cannot get behind the pity-parties for black women who want to be assured about how nobody wants us and how much everything sucks for us because we are black women and all the digested and accepted mental abuse that is now the reality for black women who have been indoctrinated to make it their truth. Because it is not and has never been a universal reality for black women everywhere.

 

It can be and is painful to have people dislike you, say mean things about you, or do things to hurt you. And some people are often tempted to ponder why these people are the way they are, why these people don’t want you or what you need to change about yourself to make these people like you. Resist this temptation, because it’s a waste of time. Bjork, broken English and all, said it best:

 

“You’ll be given love
You have to trust it

Maybe not from the sources
You have poured yours
Maybe not from the directions
You are staring at

Twist your head around
It’s all around you”

 

Too many black women are crying out about love that is lacking and instead of being encouraged to “twist their head around” in directions where love, true love, is coming from, they continue to look for it in a direction from which it is not forthcoming. And it’s very sad to me. I cannot mentally process a way of thinking where you prioritize who doesn’t love you or want you or why above figuring out who *does* and why and focusing on that second group. Because I find people who love me and support me to be much more attractive and certainly persons I’d want to spend time around.

 

Ladies, love and support itself is simply not not NOT something you will find with people who hate you, are not attracted to or otherwise not interested in offering these things to you. So the question you must ask yourself is: Why am I so determined to pour out resources (be it time, energy, money, etc.) into people and institutions that do not want me? Why am I concerned about who doesn’t love or want me rather than who *does*?

 

This part is more or less asking the question of why some black women fixate on who doesn’t want them. The second part will attempt to offer theories for this behavior and how the women affected get past it.

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35delta 56 pts

As a white man who adores black women let me give you a word of advice:  just remember that you don't have to take a back seat to anyone.  Don't let anyone put you down.  Anyone who tries is doing so out of envy.  I suggest that you keep yourself open to all men, black or white, and let them come to you.  Despite what some people in the media might try to make you think-- you are very desirable to men of all races.  Whether you know it or not there are many other white men who feel this way about black women.  Black women are the most beautiful women in the world and you have the other qualities that make you the perfect mate.

FriendsofJay 1827 pts

Tony has made a good point that has baffled me for some time.  If a guy doesn't want you, why do you continue to play up to him?  Are you a "nothing but a brotha" type of girl, who would growl if a WM asked you out, but who will put up with any kind of abuse from a "brotha."  Then you're your own worst enemy.  I've said many times that there are many men out there who have a preference for BW.  If they have that preference they'd be good to you.  Why wouldn't you want that?   If you find a BM who loves you and wants you-----find.  But if you insist on a BM and will accept him no matter what-------well. . . . . .

tracyreneejones 3548 pts

 FriendsofJay I think the appropriate ending is 'Welp...' :) 

grrlysquirrel75 1121 pts

I'm about to whip out a little bit of bad language, but I'll censor myself. As an attractive black woman who is smart, funny, creative, and has a whole lot to offer, I don't give a f*ck about anybody that's not interested in loving and supporting me as the great person that I am. I give a wide berth to those I know who will never have any interest in me and who see me as any number of stereotypes perpetuated by the media and even other black people. Yeah, black women have been getting a bad rap for years, but you know what? Just because a bunch of people continually say something about a specific group doesn't make what's being said true. Own how wonderful and unique you are and seek out people that recognize that wonderfulness and uniqueness. It's a very simple concept that you just need to put into practice. The wider you make your circle of friends and acquaintances, the greater the chance you have of encountering someone who sees and loves you for all that you are.

The Working Home Keeper 6592 pts

"This is why I cannot get behind the pity-parties for black women who want to be assured about how nobody wants us and how much everything sucks for us because we are black women and all the digested and accepted mental abuse that is now the reality for black women who have been indoctrinated to make it their truth. Because it is not and has never been a universal reality for black women everywhere."

 

Absolutely!  Anyone who speaks that way, certainly doesn't speak for me or my reality as a black woman.  I base my truths on my experiences.  And my experiences certainly do not lead me to believe I'm at the bottom of any barrel!

tonyrog 119 pts

 The Working Home Keeper Well said

 

Bren82 1314 pts

Thank you for this post. This reminds me of when I was a young teenager in high school. I had tons of crushes and would go to great lengths to draw their attention. However it ever worked. I never got what I wanted and ended up feeling more rejected than before. I didn't learn to say "F this!" until I was in my early 20's, prior to meeting the man who would go on to become my husband. It really got tired after a while. I began to realize that my behavior was desperate and that it was a waste of time for me to spend my time in such a manner, worrying about why this or that guy did not want me. It was draining. It's much more of a relief to surround yourself by people who will love, appreciate and support you than it is to be around people who hate, take advantage of and disrespect you. Everyone has friends and everyone also has enemies. We can get rid of the enemies.

GG123 362 pts

 Bren82

 Love that! I have done that for too long also! Being so desperate with men. Try so so hard to get them to "like me". Also have done that with "friends". I am me. That is wonderful, and I am too tired to keep proving that I have a right to love. I come from love!!!! 

ChristieRJohnson 1104 pts

VET, VET, VET; not only him, but yourself.

Why are you accepting bad behavior?  Why are you chasing after someone that does not want you?  I've been there.  I have been desperate.  I have accepted crumbs. My low self esteem had nearly cost me my future.  It's a crappy place to be.  

GG123 362 pts

 ChristieRJohnson

 Low self esteem does cost you your future if one lets it. One must see this, to change.  It can create a debt that cannot be paid back.  I have seen this with the previous generation of women in my family. It is such a "crappy" place to be. I am comming to the conclusion, dream the biggest dream: it is the only way! Yay!

temple 793 pts

"You won’t find it with people who are N-O-T interested in loving you."

 

I wish more black women would accept this reality & understand that this says absolutely zero about them as women & individuals. 

Truth:   It will never happen that you will be able to contort yourself into the perfect human pretzel to win love, acceptance & appreciation from those who don't feel that for you or want that for you.  Moses will not be coming down that mountain to command folk (on punshment of death) to love, accept & appreciate you.  Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mother Teresa or Malcolm X will not be resurrected to force the hand of those who deem you unworthy of love, acceptance & appreciation. 

Happy Truth:   The only one with the power to bring about the love, appreciation & acceptance you deserve is you :-)

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Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 Kia I hope it comes a time where MOST black women can say that.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Kia One of the things I try to do is let bw know that this possible for them, sad part is many bw don't even dream of this b/c they're so scared it will never happen. But IT IS possible, it's plausible for bw to live like this & better.

GG123 362 pts

 eugeniaberg   Kia

 Wow that is so deep! I am working on getting over this: "sad part is many bw don't even dream of this b/c they're so scared it will never happen". I have had the fear of believing in my dreams, for doubting so strong they cannot really come to be. I cannot live like this anymore. Life is a gift. I am here!

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@geneaj @Kia What you dream can be a reality, there are too many examples of bw who are living their best lives w/ ppl who love & celebrate them for it not to be true. Go where you are loved, celebrated, not tolerated.

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Toni_M 18806 pts moderator

 Kia Lord, I will never understand squabbling with other women over some man who doesn't want you. Especially if the man is a cheat and a user. LET THEM HAVE HIM! 

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 Kia  These women are hilarious to me. I have seen a couple of these shows too (my mother loves them) But it's hilarious what these women would put up with because he has money! I could not sit and do NOTHING like that. How could you? I'm all in for vacation and indulging... but what's in between? They can't even post a YT video or anything? They just continue to drag BW down and make themselves look stupid! But everything is okay... because dey richh and bawwlin!

 

And if I were them I would get CS and RUN!

tracyreneejones 3548 pts

This is exactly the reason I wrote my piece last week, I meet guys, some are great, some aren't great and I #Kanyeshrug if things don't work out and keep it popping. I've NEVER felt unwanted, generally, I"ve felt unwanted by the person whom I wanted to WANT ME, but such is life.

 

I felt unwanted by that dam high paying job on Wall Street back in the 90's too, but, such is life. LOL. I know the Black Women who first seek to date IR will be super sensitive, there is a lot going on in new territory, and they're possibly approaching such with battered self esteem and apprehension. Sure, it would be easy to scream Uncle and give up and use a bad date/potential man (of whatever race) as a reinforcement of how 'no one wants them'.

 

It takes guts to fall on your face and then come back for more. There is a great beauty in finding that person that makes your heart sing, because there is a place of love out there if one seeks it. This inspiration is the best motivation for all women (of any race) to continue on in search of what is perfect for her.  

 

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

I don't like the "us" and "we" talk either.

 

I know what I'm worth and I have people who love me, and their are people in this world that will adore me for who I am. 

 

I also don't like the pity talk "I can't find a date" stuff. 

MayaM 178 pts

Another type of white man that you dont want to be bothered with is the white guy that feels that black women dont have class because they have not been "enculturated" or who feels that the only way a black woman can carry herself well is if she is raised by a white mother. 

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 MayaM 

I have a mother who some would call "unclassy." 

 

And people think that I am "ladylike" and have manners. 

 

It's called the internet and google search. 

 

But no matter what I will always be MYSELF. You don't need to be all Emily Post, to get a husband who adores you. You can even despise high heels.. or even shoes for that matter!

temple 793 pts

 Pearl Rose Oh god yes, I haaate shoes---not the beautiful styles I see, but having any shoes at all on my feet, ugh!  No disrespect to the shoe hounds at BBW.

My weakness is a beautiful skirt or dress that shows off my great legs & bare feet.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 temple I've been getting in to barefootness! 

 

http://www.thebarefootbook.com/

http://becomingpeculiar.com/14-reasons-i-dont-wear-shoes/

 

I could wear shoes, but the more I'm barefoot, the more I notice how my feet get sore in shoes! I go barefoot whenever I can! Pedicures are the new "shoe" for me!

 

temple 793 pts

 Pearl Rose lol, I like both those links.  My feet look like those in the "14 reasons" link--so ugly they're cute.  I love the color jade & I found a jade nail polish that I wear obsessively.  A bright nail polish makes my feet look so much sexier than shoes!  Self-love. . .it's all about the love :-)

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 temple I have what you call "fat toes" LOL I like hot pinks, reds, and french tips. I'm getting into the neon colors too! 

 

And I don't want to buy shoes all the time? If I were rich it would be different! LOL Even then I probably wouldn't wear shoes.

ann4950 732 pts

 Pearl Rose

 I love walking around bare foot ever since I was a kid.  It feels more natural.  I can feel the earth. Although, I usually wear shoes outside.

 

GG123 362 pts

 Pearl Rose

 I agree. I am on my path to being very classy and learning to walk in heels. But a real man loves a real woman always, potato sack and all!!

gagagirl 343 pts

 MayaM  Interesting that you would mention this. I heard a discussion that said that biracial children/ biracial girls were more classy if they had white mothers rather than black mothers. The person stated that people had a hard time accepting that that Zoe Salander had a black mother because he is so well spoken:-(

MayaM 178 pts

 gagagirl

 Some black men say that the biracial daughter is better if the mother is black but I have seen ghetto chicks from wigger moms.  Alisha Keys  has a white mother and she can get ghetto sometimes.  So can Halle Berry and Mariah Carey. 

MayaM 178 pts

 gagagirl

 I meant that they say that the biracial girl is better if their mother is white.

gagagirl 343 pts

 MayaM   they would think she is better, not necessarily for her looks but for the fact that it was a BM/WW union that produced her, rather than a BW/WM relationship. Its just their double standard that BM should mate interracially but not black women.

ivanperonaamo 195 pts

 MayaM Maybe those black men understand "better" as "more ghetto". So it would make sense.

luckystar428 208 pts

 gagagirl

I've heard things like that too... yet, the biracial girls I know/know of that have black mothers seem to be more down to earth. Heck, look at Tia and Tamera Mowry or even Maya Rudolph and the way they carry themselves. They have black mothers.

zipporah 1714 pts

I believe the only thing for BW to do is get out of the 'modern black collective' with its c/Rap culture; there is nothing there anymore, and stay away from 'white trash' guys as well. If you do meet men, vet like crazy to see if they are worth your time--(some are sneaky)What people are also saying is non black girls and women are ALSO having a hard time finding dates these days: never though i'd see the day! or they want the woman to pay her share even though it was an 'official' date.. This could be a reason why some white girls are starting to 'panic' when they see ok WM with BW--picking are getting slim unless you travel

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

Well, pa-yow! Once again Toni, it's the truth. I have no idea why anyone would be in any place they are not loved. I'm not really concerned that all ppl love me, that's not going to happen anyway but I refuse to be anywhere that ppl are emotionally abusive. I'm not in the habit of trying to prove to anyone I am worthy of love, I just am. I had a conversation with someone not long ago about dating IR w/ wm and how sometimes other blk ppl are patting u on the back as a bw b/c u got a wm, like you've upgraded b/c he's white. Now I love my Sweets, not b/c he's white but b/c he's a good husband b/c I know by experience there are some effed up wm out there. But I was always surprised at that comment, b/c my thought has always been he's upgraded w/ me. I'm the prize, but too many bw don't believe that about themselves. That's why many go to levels dogs wouldn't go begging men, particularly bm for love. You have a right to a preference, you have a right to go where you're loved & celebrated, you have the right to be happy, safe, secure and provided for, all those are rights of bw. I just wish more bw get the memo.

MayaM 178 pts

 eugeniaberg

 It is so uncouth to hear other black women say "go head guurrl! You got yo-self a white man!  Also, there is a show called Hollywood wives with the ex-wives of big celebrities.  Well, R. Kelly's ex-wife is on there and she only wants a white man and acts like a total bufoon in her search for one.  She was with Will Smith's wife and they were at a fruit/veggie stand and they were flirting with white guys and this one old white guy told her "I am here for tomatoes and not you"  Damn.  She got rejected by an old white guy.  Then they started flirting with this young, nice looking guy and he flirted back.  The woman is a good looking woman.  She is a dancer.  She just seems so desperate.  This show not as bad a representation of black women as the others.  The women dont fight each other and act like they have a little class.

 

Yes.  I watch reality TV and I am ashamed of it!

BlackWomenDeserveBetter 1848 pts

 MayaM With the increase in Black women expanding their options, it sounds as if this show is a not-so-subtle hit piece!

My latest conversation: st | Black Women Deserve Better™

MayaM 178 pts

 BlackWomenDeserveBetter

 This woman could actually pull a nice white guy if she would stop being so damned desperate.  She is a great catch.  She actually started dating this black guy and was so insecure that she had ther nerve to squeeze in between the guy and Eddie Murphy's ex-wife when they were talking.  If you have to be that insecure, you dont need to be dating.

BlackWomenDeserveBetter 1848 pts

 MayaM It's all about adjusting our mindsets, which is the easiest yet most difficult task!

My latest conversation: st | Black Women Deserve Better™

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 MayaM  I hate that too! Or the "Go get your money gurrl!" 

My own cousin said that to her niece when she was playing with a little white boy! These are 3 year olds! And we are in public at the movies! It was so embarrassing! 

 

I hate VH1 reality shows. It's actually always been trashy! I liked when they just played 80's music videos. 

luckystar428 208 pts

 Pearl Rose  MayaM

I can't stand that mentality. I have distant family members that know I like/prefer white men and they'll make little comments involving money when they come by the house for Thanksgiving or something. Something along the lines of "Ooh... and I'm sure he has money too" when they hear about me liking a white guy.

 

They don't realize that some of us have just have a preference for white men. Period. It has nothing to do with money. That's that DBR mentality. Smh.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 luckystar428  MayaM  Exactly. And their are so many white men! All of them can't have money! It's a recession too! How stupid could they be? LOL

 

And I pray that family members don't say things like that in front of the guy and mess things up! 

MayaM 178 pts

 Pearl Rose  luckystar428

 Oh I keep men away from my family...black or white.  That is another thing with the dsyfunctional black family.  The things that come out of the mouths of family members.  Too embarassing.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 MayaM  luckystar428  Oh. My. Goodness. 

I thought I was the only one who would do this. I would if I felt I had to. But my male cousins even ask if I date interracial, even tried to hook me up. But what caught me off guard was when I said "Oh, Mexican guys are really hot too!" He said "Oh, I hate Mexicans!" And I was SHOCKED! It's always something with family! LOL 

 

I will not hesitate to keep them away though! I have the kind of family that, when they know they have some money. They will send a LETTER!! Asking for money!!! Ahhh!

MayaM 178 pts

 Pearl Rose  luckystar428

 

I have the kind of family that, when they know they have some money. They will send a LETTER!! Asking for money!!! Ahhh!

 

Oh my!  Now that... is bad. 

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 MayaM  luckystar428 AND embarrassing! I think the farthest I would go is my mom. dad, brother, and grandma. You can tell they raised me right.. it always seems to be extended family that embarrasses me.

luckystar428 208 pts

@Pearl Rose @MayaM I'm definitely with you guys on that. I'm keeping any bf I have away from my extended family, particularly my dad's side of the family.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@MayaM No man of any worth wants a desperate woman, that screams low self-esteem. I was shocked by the comment, so was the person I was talking to b/c she dates IR. It just made no sense but since many bw think they are unlovable, they think all bw feel that way. I'm sorry p, I don't. I adore my husband but you know what he adores me too and feels extremely blessed he found me. I already have confidence but I'm appreciated as a person, woman, wife, the way it should be. Even better he's proud he can love & take care of me. Yea I'm the prize & I'm treated like one.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 eugeniaberg   MayaM  I heard somewhere that men can sense and even smell desperation and that makes them run. People think because he's white he has to have some money. I have seen messed up, BROKE, white people, black people, hispanics.... I have yet to see an asian.. but they are somewhere hiding.

 

The woman is always the upgrade, in my opinion.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Pearl Rose @MayaM Non-desperate ppl can always tell if someone is desperate. Being too eager is one way to tell & from the description Andrea, R. Kelly's ex is too eager but being married a NPD like Kelly would screw up anyone's head. She may need to take a little time & get some therapy she can afford it b/c yes she's a good looking, accomplished woman but she has low self-esteem & I don't care how 'hot' you are low esteem draws a certain type of man & it ain't good. As for upgrade, yes I am the upgrade & the prize, my husband is a handsome, sweet, caring, compassionate man, he's an engineer so I am well provided for & I don't work, just teach a 3 hr class a week when I'm in the mood. But I am accomplished in my own right, I have a BA & MBA, I had a long career as a paralegal. He likes that I don't work & when we finally get pregnant & have a baby I'll be able to be full time SAHM. He's making sure that happens for me & I'm still the prize to him, he's happy to make sure I'm taken care of as it should be. Women should do what they feel is appropriate for their marriage, I do this for mine, no more, no less.