Regarding Broomhilda: Was she worth being rescued and why was she waiting on her man to save her anyway?

Regarding Broomhilda: Was she worth being rescued and why was she waiting on her man to save her anyway?

Quentin Tarantino’s new film Django: Unchained has stirred a lot of different thoughts, feelings, opinions and emotions in people; about slavery, Django killing so many white people on screen, gun control, etc. but the feedback I found the most interesting was some of the commentary regarding the Broomhilda character played by Kerry Washington from black women. I want to address three questions/comments that are a conglomeration of the multitude of comments regarding this key character.

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Quentin Tarantino’s new film Django: Unchained has stirred a lot of different thoughts, feelings, opinions and emotions in people–about slavery, Django killing so many white people on screen, gun control, etc., but  the feedback I found the most interesting was some of the commentary regarding the Broomhilda character played by Kerry Washington from black women. I want to address three questions/comments that are a conglomeration of the multitude of comments regarding this key character.

1. Why was she behaving like a damsel in distress acting so helpless?

Ok my pet peeve with this question is that the women who made this comment about Kerry’s portrayal of Broomhilda are unfairly judging a character who lived in the 19th century with a 21st century mind. We have to remember the time in which slave women like Broomhilda lived in. She was helpless, she was a slave living in a hostile environment. She had no rights, her value equal with that of a breedhorse. She was at the mercy of those that owned her, which made her subject to abuse and sexual exploitation. Given the time in which she lived, what was she supposed to do start singing “Independent Women” by Destiny’s Child and wag her finger in  Mr. Candy’s (Leonardo DiCaprio) face like NeNe Lakes and walk off the plantation? Call up Gloria Allred and sue for mistreatment? Tweet about it? Talk to Oprah? You get the point. Broomhilda’s situation was not one she wanted to be in, she was indeed  a damsel in distress. Her situation was precarious. The very word distress means extreme anxiety, sorrow, or pain. If that does not describe Broomhilda’s situation, I don’t know what does. “Incidents in the life of a slave girl” and “Bullwhip Days” are recommended reading for anyone who wants to grasp a deeper understanding of what life was really like for slaves in the 19th century. These are actual documented accounts of former slaves.

2. Why was she waiting on her man to save her?

As much as we as black women complain  about men not being there to help us, here we have on the big screen a black slave who was the subject of a very  dramatic rescue and what are the complaints? Why was she waiting for some man to save her? Again 21st century minds are verbally chastising a 19th century woman for obviously not doing enough to save herself, she had to wait on some man to do it. To Broomhilda’s credit she did try to escape TWICE; once with her husband Django and the second time from Candy’s plantation on her own. She was whipped when she tried to escape with Django from another plantation  and was put naked in a hotbox as punishment for trying to escape from Candy’s plantation. She was supposed to be there for 10 days, but luckily  for her Django and his Partner Dr. King Schultz arrived and she was let out to entertain Dr. Schultz.  Wikepedia describes the hotbox like this:

The box, also known as a hot box or sweatbox, is a method of solitary confinement used in humid and arid regions as a method of punishment. Anyone placed in one would experience extreme heat, dehydration, heat exhaustion, even death, depending on when and how long one was kept in one.

A woman that was willing to risk that severe of a punishment to escape is a woman with a fight in her. So despite her circumstance she did try unsuccessfully to escape her situation. Which brings me to another point, what is wrong with Broomhilda being rescued? Would she had been a failure as a black woman has she not made some effort to save herself? Should she have turned in her Strong Black Woman card  should she had  dared to hope that against the odds Django would find her and save her? I am afraid this attitude has so infiltrated the minds of  many black women that even when a man no matter what his race rises up to come to  her aid she will not allow it and she criticizes those who dare to accept the invitation to be rescued when it is offered by some one of the opposite sex.

3. We don’t know alot about Broomhilda, all we know is that she was just a pretty house slave. We want to know why Django wanted to rescue her.

I know with all the fanfare surrounding Kerry Washington’s participation in the film, there was expressed disappointment that some of Kerry’s scenes were cut, limiting her screentime. I personally had no problem with how much time Broomhilda was on the screen, I understood how crucial she was to the story line without her having to be on the screen every five minutes, but I understand some wanted to see more of her. My question is however, why do we need Broomhilda’s character resume’? Why do we need to know the intimate details of her history before we can settle in our minds why she was worthy of such a dramatic rescue? Must we know some redeeming quality about her that will make us breathe a sigh of relief and say to ourselves, “ok now we understand why he wanted to rescue her”. Can it not just be sufficient that he loved his wife and was willing to risk everything he had to save her? We did know that she spoke german and english,she was lovely and not much more. She could  have been a horrible cook, a terrible lover, and wrong as two left shoes, but the fact he was willing to risk his life and newly gained freedom to save her should give us pause. Can’t we just stop and enjoy that for a moment without trying to figure it out?

Broomhilda was always on Django’s  mind and in his memory; we saw it when he was begging their captors not to whip her after their failed escape attempt, when he was bathing in that ice cold lake and her “saw” her there, when she was wearing that yellow regency era gown giving him a shy and alluring smile. From those scenes we know that he ate slept and breathed her. She was his life and he wanted her back. His passion must have run deep because even Dr. Schultz was on board to help Django rescue her and it cost him his life. So while we may not know how she made the biscuts or poured the sweet tea, we know she was important to the central character.  Can we let the  mystery of who she is suffice and just enjoy the fact that she, a simple house slave was the subject of a explosive shoot ‘em up rescue? Many lives were sacrificed to secure her rescue, including Dr. Schultz.

We as black women are never the subject of high value and worthy of saving on screen in films today. In fact when some “Hunger Games” fans found out one of the key characters was a little black girl, they tweeted their disappointment  at the fact she was black and were no longer sad when she died on screen as she had in the book. I found it quite refreshing that a black woman for once was the “damsel in distress” whose unchained prince  fought many human dragons to save her. If I sound a little overly dramatic, I do not care, the time is long overdue for recognition that black women are worthy to be loved, adored and RESCUED.

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CAPT SMOOTH 7428 pts

It doesn't hurt that she's played by the beautiful Kerry Washington! I'd wrestle an alligator for that girl!

deonahooper1 6 pts

I kinda stumbled on to this blog, and I love it. I just had this conversation the other day. Black women have been portrayed onscreen in such androgynous roles. This is the first time, in my memory, that a black man onscreen was a protector who loved selflessly and unconditionally his black woman. Most black relationships portrayed onscreen show the black woman having to deal with unspeakable cheating, abuse, and/or being domineering.

 

No one questions this type of love portrayals in white roles/films such as Gone with the Wind,  the Notebook, or the Curious Case of Benjamin Button. Did anyone criticize Kristen Dunst  in all the Spiderman movies?

DU2 2201 pts

It has not been confirmed if this is true or not (Inspiration for (Django) but this is still and interesting story.http://www.blackbluedog.com/2013/01/news/meet-dangerfield-newby-the-real-django-unchained/

AminahMatthews 540 pts

"I think Tarantino did a great job in showing this ugliness with all the feelings it stirs"

 

IMHO, Tarantino just scratched a little bit of the tip of this ugliness compared to what really happen in those days. For those who don't know, it was much much MUCH worse then the movie. Reading about the horrors of slavery made me very sick and more sad then this movie did. Don't get me wrong. There were some scenes that made me cringe a little and had me on the edge of my seat.

 

Btw, I like the article Chris.

Veron 1400 pts

I very much agree with this entire article, and I really don't understand the basis of questioning Broomhilda's character.  Regardless of her personality, her ability to save herself, anything about her character, she was billed first and foremost as Django's wife.  His wife.  Why isn't that reason enough to want to rescue her? I would think, regardless of the time period, that a spouse would get priority on the "people I would like to reunite with and help" list.

 

Beyond that, I felt like Django's love for HIldy told a story in and of itself.  The few flashbacks of their trials, Django begging to be whipped in her place, their obvious love for one another when trying to run away together, that was enough backstory in my opinion. It set up just how much Django felt for this woman, that he would go to the ends of the earth for her, and a reason why, outside of "love", wasn't necessary.  This wasn't a romcom.

 

Besides, isn't it the most cliched plot point in the movie universe to kidnap the wife? Like, seriously how many times has Bruce Willis or Tom Cruise had to go rescue their kidnapped wife/daughter/familial female from a terrorist/ bank robber/ international crazy with a  bomb/runaway train/ space-aged laser beam, and do it for nine sequels? How is it any different just because this time the wife is black? And how much stronger of a character does she has to be? She was strong enough to endure rawhide against her back. Was that not enough?

Seenyc 786 pts

 It seems to me some people are never satisfied and will look for something to complain about or they will not be happy. It's a movie, a work of  fiction made for entertainment. Sometimes you just need to sit back and enjoy it and not over analyze it.

jdependance 133 pts

I whole heartedly agree with everything you said. I was very excited tosee that for once the black woman was seen to have value. She was seen as being worthy of rescue. Django loved his wife so much that he was willing to risk his life to save her. How many movies have you seen where the black woman is seen as desirable, loved, worthy, or cherished? How many movies do you see where black woman are rescued or seen as worthy of being rescued? I can't think of any. I sat in the theater with a huge smile on my face once Django came to rescue Broomhilda at the end of the movie. My eyes were probably sparkling with delight. I seriously could not believe I was seeing what I was seeing. The black woman was seen as being special, loved, and cherished. She got rescued instead of being left behind.

 

I really don't understand why people complain about Broomhilda. I was just happy to see someone caring enough about a black woman that they were willing to face impossible odds to rescue her. I know that we are strong women and can do things on our own, but sometimes it feels good to know that we don't have to do everything on our own. We can have a partner. We can have someone to lean on when we feel weak. Or in this case, we can have someone that will save us when we can't save ourselves.

 

I love your last sentence to the article. It's so true. I felt great as a black woman after this movie. It made me feel like black women can be lovedjust as much as other types of women. To be honest, for a long time I didn't think that was possible. I know this movie is fiction and Django and Broomhilda's love aren't real, but this movie sort of gave me hope that one day someone will actually cherish me. I'm not damaged goods just because I am a black woman. I can be loved too. So for all the women complaining about this movie, I say give it a chance. Take another look at it compaired to all the other movies out there with black women as the love interests. How are we usually treated in movies? Is Broomhilda getting rescued by her husband really all that bad?

zipporah 1727 pts

yeah we can be loved..all people dont know how much the media has control of our thoughts(like black men cant be cowboys, just cityslickers, etc)..why CANT a BW be the object of someones affection...im TIRED of the BW being the 'man' in some of these movies--because if she is, what are the MEN DOING..Opposites attract and face it: most men want to be thought of the hero, even subconsciously, or the opposite of the damsel in distress anyway, its how we're made.

It was a great  movie!!

JennMJack 1180 pts

Also, since I was one of the people who initially made these comments about the character, I think we have to be careful not to mince film critiques with pathology.

 

I, personally, thought the 'character' of Broomhilda lacked depth from an artistic sense. In any novel or story, she would have been branded as shallow and underdeveloped. So, that was a film critique.

 

In terms of slave women in the 19th century, I am sure they were all scared to death half the time and in far too much danger to be mouthy. But, we aren't talking about a real person here. Its a movie. We didn't go to Django to see a documentary. We went to be entertained.

 

So, while I agree that we, in the black community, do struggle with allowing women to be women, some of these critiques came from a wholly different place.

 

That is all.

DU2 2201 pts

JennMJack It seems You are taking this a  little too personally, You were not the only person who wanted more Broomhilda on the screen. On commenter wanted to know how she interacted with  the other slaves, did she bond and connect with them etc. I read more than one  set of  commentary is why I said in the begining it was a conglomeration of many comments I had read. from different commenters I also said I respect that while what I saw of her was sufficient, not all people felt that way.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone who has seen the movie understands it is just a movie. We know Broomhilda is not real, but she does represent  a shadow of real salve women from that time. and some of the commenters were projecting an expectation on Kerry's portrayal of this character  that was unreasonable. Some of the critiques were coming from a different place? When a commenter is  making the comment asking why was she waiting on her man to save her, it was very clear she had a certain expectation that this   actress could not deliver if the acting was to have some authenticity from that time period.

 

 

 

If we are not talking about a real person here (which is true) they why do we care if she has depth or not? Why do we need to know more about a figment of a screenwriters imagination. If we are just there to be entertained then hey, lets give them laptops, put broomhilda on that table top and let her do the beyonce booty shake. Have Samuel Jackson pop lock and break dance on the floor. have Candy''s sister  do a Mariah Carey  number. Don't you think that  even when we go to see a movie for the sake of entertainment there have to be some threads of authenticity in the framwork to pull us into the story?You say the black community is not to  blame and that  White people do it to essentially?  I have white female colleagues and friends and in these boy rescues girl storylines they walk away sighing and wishing they were Cinderella, Bella, etc. more times than being catty while black women  are more like "why did he want  her? she a'int that cute anyway."

JennMJack 1180 pts

 DUsher

 No not taking it personally at all. Just noting that there are other logical ways to slice this critique. Again, I just think we have to discuss art and pathology separately. Attributing these critiques to 'Blackistan' behavior automatically denigrates the art-inspired source for some of them. Most folks want to see movies with developed characters. And, for me, that was where the majority of my critique came from. I assume some others would hold the same view.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 DUsher  JennMJack One thing that I think can be taken into consideration, or that I feel the film was trying to portray was that Broomhilda was still a fairly new slave at Candie Plantation. In the beginning of the movie, we can assume that when Django is freed by the Doctor, it is was following the runaway they attempted in the flashbacks. Which means Broomhilda should have been sold to Candie Plantation around that same time. Broomhilda was only at the plantation for a few months before she was rescued. As she was still trying to run away at that point, one can assume that she had made little attempt to connect with the other slaves and did not want to come to terms with her fate that she would be there forever.

 

They show Steven and Cora (the mammy type slave) joking around with each other like they are friends, so its safe to say that other slaves that have been there longer have closer connections, friends, family among them. Broomhilda likely rejected all of that so she probably did not interact with the other slaves often anyway. In the film she only spoke when she was spoken do, regardless of whether the person was white or a slave. Note that she ran away by herself, she probably didn't tell anyone enlist any help from other slaves.

 

Similar to the slave who ran away, Dartanian, who was afraid to die in mandingo fighting, one could possibly deduce that he hadn't been at Candie Plantation for very long, 1. because he'd only participated in three fights, and 2. Calvin Candie remembered he price he paid for him off the top of his head. He too, possibly could have run away by himself because he had no connection to the Plantation and was thinking only of himself and his well being, similarly to Broomhilda.

 

Her role may not be particularly developed on screen, but I think it's pretty easy to fill in the blanks. I hate to say it like this, given the context of the article, but the movie "is" called "Django Unchained," not Broomhilda Unchained. Yeah, it would have been great to get more of her in the film, but I can honestly understand why the film was orchestrated that way.

DU2 2201 pts

 VintageNarcissa  JennMJack @ Vintage, excellent observation. My post was simply addressing  the slew of commentary regarding her being rescued and her value to the main character. It is very true the movie's central focus id Django not Broomhilda..

JennMJack 1180 pts

Anyone care to articulate how this issue black women have with being saved has even affect the animated pallete? The very first black Disney princess is a hardworking middle class woman who does her best to never let her beau save her. Even when she needs it terribly, she will bend at nothing and accept not an ounce of help. Until one bright day, she realizes that she needs him....and even then, unlike the other princesses who are wisked away in to the sunlight, she is the caretaker. She is the provider. She runs a business and the proverbial household. Not like Cinderella who just rides off in a carriage. Or Snow White. Or Jasmine. Or Aurora (sleeping Beauty). Or Belle.

 

This is not just a black woman's issue. This is an entire perception, a framework, a moulding. We want to blame black women but is that necessarily their faults? I don't think so.

 

I agree that we need to embrace our femininity and vulnerability. I also agree that we need to understand our own self-worth. But, I do not agree that we should place blame within the black community for this phenomenon.

Jamila 7230 pts moderator

 JennMJack 

 

I think that looking at the historical context of The Princess and the Frog is important. Tiana is the daughter of a hardworking mother and father and they lived in the South in a neighborhood fully of family-oriented poor- and working-class blacks. Tiana's story seemed very realistic too me; I think her backstory made her more relateable to young black girls who also come from working class backgrounds. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Jamila

 So, while I agree with that, my questions is this: why do black people have to 'relate' to their super heros or fairy tale princesses? why are the cartoons so over the top or stylized or caricatured when those depicting other groups are not so?

 

I don't think little white girls can relate to Cinderella. She grows up with a step mom who hates her and two evil step sisters while she has to sleep on straw in an attic....then magically, a fairy godmother appears who has never helped her out before to usher her to a a prince finds her gorgeous and she never has to work again?

 

No magic for Tianna. Just good old fashioned elbow grease right? So she can be more relatable?

 

I like the whole notion of the damsel in distress. But, I think it should apply universally. Otherwise, it reinforces stereotypes IMO.

Jamila 7230 pts moderator

 JennMJack ": why do black people have to 'relate' to their super heros or fairy tale princesses?"

 

Every little girl wants to related to the fairy tale princess; they want to be able to see a bit of themselves up on the screen and to be able to put themselves into the mind of their hero. It's how little girls play dolls--they put themselves into the minds of their dolls and come up with stories about how the doll would behave and what sort of situations she would get into. 

 

Adults like relateable characters too--that's why we want characters on the screen to have some sort of emotional depth; we want to be able to understand why they are doing what they are doing. If we can't make sense of the character and his/her behavior, we won't like the movie. 

 

"why are the cartoons so over the top or stylized or caricatured when those depicting other groups are not so?" 

 

Can you be more specific, I don't understand what you mean? What characters are you comparing?

 

"I don't think little white girls can relate to Cinderella."

 

Any little girl who has ever had an "evil" stepmom can related to Cinderella. Parents get divorced or become widowed and then the kids have to learn how to deal with this new person that their parent has brought into their life. 

 

"No magic for Tianna."

 

I can't immediately think of any of other Disney princesses that had magical powers. Yeah, Tianna turns into a frog (but there is some magic in all of the stories.)

 

Princess Fiona (of Shrek) has no magical powers. 

Princess Merida from Brave has no magical powers. 

Snow White has no magical powers (her evil step-mother does.)

Pocahontas didn't have any magical powers. 

 

Off the top of my head, I can think of several Disney princesses that had hardscrabble lives (living with a step-mother and evil sisters; living with a father after the passing of mother; being turned into an ogre and left in a tower) before they became princesses who got to sit around and live the princess life. In hero stories the hero always has to overcome something before they are allowed to live the good life that we think the character deserves. I don't see Tiana's story as being so very different from the other girls, besides the cultural elements. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Jamila

 What I was saying with the first point is the effort to make black princesses and heroes relatable sometimes makes them into caricatures/mimics/inauthentic. I think this is why folks were confused with Broomhilda because she was totally different from what folks were used to.

 

Second point, black cartoons and images are often caricatures (the 'ghetto' robots on Transformers, the Ice Man from Incredibles played by Samuel L., or even Princess Tianna who 'don't need no man). These images help to reinforce negative stereotypes as opposed to letting black folks define themselves for themselves.

 

Third point, I disagree that Cinderella is relatable. But, a better example is Snow White or Sleeping Beauty. White princesses are not meant to be relatable. But, the one black one is. That, to me, appears to be giving into stereotypes.

 

Fourth point, not saying they have powers. I was saying that somehow magic delivers them or aids them in getting to their happiness, their ever after. That is almost always the case. Tianna, to me, worked and came to a self-realization. She was not saved, not delivered, not ushered, nor aided. She worked her behind off the entire movie. Can't say the same for Cinderella, or Snow White, or Sleeping Beauty.

 

We digress. All I am sayin is this. It is easy to blame blackistan for this stuff. Very easy. But it isn't like there are a whole lot of other images of black folks out there honestly. So, of course folks might react with some surprise. Call it human nature.

The Working Home Keeper 6633 pts

Oftentimes we (black women) lament how our femininity is denied in the mainstream media.  Yet, when we're presented with a feminine image of ourselves, we reject it too.  I find that really sad in a way.  If we want our femininity acknowledged by others, we're going to have to embrace it ourselves.  It's okay to be vulnerable and delicate sometimes.     

jdependance 133 pts

 The Working Home Keeper

 I agree. I like seeing us as feminine. There is nothing wrong with being strong and able to take care of ourselves, but there also isn't anything wrong with us being delicate and vulnerable. Women are multifaceted. We can be strong and delicate, powerful yet vulnerable.

Statuesque 1749 pts

This is just sad.  The movie parallels a g-d FAIRYTALE, for Christ's sake.  Bruenhilde is rescued by Siegfried. Broomhilda is rescued by Django with a heavy assist from Schulz, the German, who basically fell in love with her too. 

 

I know it blows some people's minds, but Black women are that deserving of love and admiration.  No, REALLY.  *rolls eyes*

Lexi88 2193 pts

 Statuesque 

I know it blows some people's minds, but Black women are that deserving of love and admiration.  No, REALLY.  *rolls eyes*

 

The sad thing is, some black women don't believe they are...sad, just sad. 

Lexi88 2193 pts

Unfortunately, black girls are being raised to be tough, in your face, I don't need no man to do nothing for me, angry females with a chip on their shoulders. If you look at recent events, you will see a major role change in the way black men interacts with black women. WE are coming to the rescue of black men. Not talking in terms of finance (that's a  whole other subject), but in how we interact with one another.

Whenever a black man or woman feel the need to share their expert opinion, on how a woman should/shouldn't act, my first question is, who raised you and how did dad treat mom? It always goes back to home. 

 

I know women who expect their daughters to know everything from household chores to specifics about car repair. Yet, the "prince" (their son) can barely feed himself, incapable of protecting, rescuing a cat, none the less a woman.  

Their rationale, a girl must know how to do it all, because a man is not obligated to "save" you. That is one of the many reasons divorce rates are high in the black community, women are taking on  the role of protector, rescuer, wife, mother and so on, while black men are not "obligated" to do a thing. 

 

I'm an old fashion girl, I know my "role" and LOVE playing it. 

thecrazyartist 2241 pts

 Lexi88

 

It's also the mans lack of desire to learn how to do things. For example I cleaned my parents computer this weekend, my dad wanted me to show him the process because he wanted to know how to fix it himself. These men are raised to expect women to do everything for them, and many get angry when you don't coddle them. One man was mad at me because he held the door, but I didn't give him my number so when could "hook up".  Fat chance, holding a door does not equal sex.

GG123 370 pts

 thecrazyartist  Lexi88

 Wow no offense but some people are crazy holding door and expecting a number from that. Wow think wolves would do a better jobs raising some of these folks at times lol.

zipporah 1727 pts

WOW..just wow. All my life, i either had boyfriends or a husband who would help me with car trouble..Its too bad that these women cant find a guy who would change the oil in her car BUT the dude would want her to make a full course dinner for him, to have a relationship? My mom is another one, she always had men DO THINGS FOR HER and not the other way around

DU2 2201 pts

I want to add an addendum to my original post. I know for alot of black women they have had to rescue themselves, many times. I do not dismiss that  reality it is sadly oh too real too often. What i wanted to point out is that when black women are faced with an opportunity for rescue in a film or real life,  many of them reject it. In my own life I remember on two occasions I was getting ready to put  motor oil in my car and two guys on those two separate occasions offered to put it in for me. My response "no it's okay, I got it". this was not an issue of them being suspicious or creepy, I just had to "do it myself because I am capable" I felt sorrow in my spirit after they walked away because I missed an opportunity to be helped. It was motor oil not a marriage proposal. Lesson learned. next time I get the offer, I am accepting. Sometimes we have to start small, but where safe, let it happen. We are worth it!

GG123 370 pts

 DUsher

"Sometimes we have to start small, but where safe, let it happen. We are worth it!" So agree!  A male aquaintance saw me struggling a bit walking in the snow today and helped by letting me hold on to his arm-so gentlemen like, just kind.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

Wow, that last one really irked me. I had no idea people were saying that about Broomhilda's character. I feel the reason Django wanted to save her was very simple, she was his WIFE! Uh DUH! Point black period. Of course he wanted to save her. The fact that they were even married in the first place is all the back story you need of what they felt for each other. There's even the point where the Doctor said, 'wow, I didn't know black people believed in marriage' and Djano said, 'me and my wife do.' I find it very funny that this movie is essentially supposed to be a depiction of a black fairy tale, and we read fairy tales with white damsels in distress our whole lives and don't ask, 'what's so great about Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Rapunzel, that they have a man going out of their way to save them?' But the moment it's a black woman it's a problem? Bullshit!

 

This reminds me of a recent discussion when someone posted a link to that Essence advice column where the girl was saying she's young and still a virgin and has trouble meeting guys who want relationships. And the first thing the columnist has to say, well what's so great about you except your virginity that men should want you? This overall mentality is absolutely sickening. Black people are always trying to chop one another down in order to make themselves feel better about their own mediocrity that they can't even pause to appreciate a piece of fiction? Sad to say the least.

DU2 2201 pts

VintageNarcissaYou Said "

we read fairy tales with white damsels in distress our whole lives and don't ask, 'what's so great about Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Rapunzel, that they have a man going out of their way to save them?' But the moment it's a black woman it's a problem? Bullshit!"EXACTLY!!! I even think of the move "Braveheart" where Scottish revolutionary  William Wallace played by Mel Gibson fought for Scotland's independence against England. His wife was murdered by The captain of the English soliders for trying to defend herself from being raped by one of his men. He took great measures to avenge her including killing that captain. His wife was a peasant girl who was his childhood friend. We know nothing about her except she was a poor peasant girl  from his village that he loved and married. No one asked about her back round sought qualifying fact that justified his act of rage and vengence, but with broomhilda we need to see Harvard degree first, lol. Reading through some of these responses, I don't think we need Blackistan to devalue us as black women, we are keeping the tradition alive  just fine when we can't accept a fictional but historical character being rescued without scrutiny.

 

thecrazyartist 2241 pts

 DUsher  VintageNarcissa

 

I aam tired of this mentality of "whats so great about you anyway?", "you aint that cute" and the classic "what do you have to offer a man anyway?".  I am happy to see that broomhilda was a damsel in distress, in fact she is the only black damsel in distress I have seen so far.  Even the disney princess Tiana, had to have a "strong black woman" ending.  She didn't get to live in a palace with her prince charming at the end like all the other princesses, she gets to run a restaurant and work her ass off for the rest of her life.  Even my 8 year old cousin notices this type of thing, she wanted the Rupunzel doll because "Rupunzel has a palance and Tiana doesn't".  Some might try to say it's "self hate" and she just wants a white doll, but no even children know BS when they smell it.

 

 

 

 

 

DU2 2201 pts

 thecrazyartist  VintageNarcissa OMG yes as much as I loved having a black princess, I noticed that too, she had to work. Your little cousin, nailed it Tiana did not have a palace (I forget about that) but a restaurant. See how ingrained the strong black woman image is, we did not even point out that Tiana still had to WORK, I totally missed it.

thecrazyartist 2241 pts

 DUsher  VintageNarcissa

 

My younger cousin doesn't even see Tiana as a princess because she doesn't have a palace.  She thinks Tiana is still a maid(she is a very observant  little girl, the type of kid that asked "why is that pig eating beef" when peple played this little piggy with her).  One of my family members tried to blame "white racism" and "early self hate" for her desire for a white doll, but in reality she is still a kid she doesn't see the dolls race, she just sees that Tiana doesn't have a palace, and gets to work a lot.   She was about 6 or so when she first pointed this out, and now everytime she sees Tiana she still ask this, and still hasn't gotten a satisfactory answer. 

GG123 370 pts

 thecrazyartist  DUsher  VintageNarcissa

 Wow. Think I might pass on seeing that kid's flick now lol.

Jamila 7230 pts moderator

 thecrazyartist  DUsher  VintageNarcissa 

 

" She didn't get to live in a palace with her prince charming at the end like all the other princesses, she gets to run a restaurant and work her ass off for the rest of her life."

 

But working her ass off was Tiana's choice; it was her goal and dream long before she ever knew the prince existed to have her own restaurant. I liked the fact that Tiana got her dream (a dream that started out when she lived with her mother AND father) and got to have the prince in end.  

zipporah 1727 pts

I didnt see that either, and now, i dont know if i want to see the movie, she has her own restaurant...WOW, and what is HE doing? in the movie? is he her husband? the home could be a palace too, if its large..LOL

netsirc 50 pts

 zipporah He also started off as completely broke trying to marry Tiana's white friend and live off her money.

DU2 2201 pts

 Jamila  thecrazyartist  VintageNarcissa  Jamila, There is nothing wrong with this cartoon character having a dream like most real black women do. The point is black women are always portrayed as working,struggling, fighting, battling  they are never portrayed as women at REST free to , pursue their dreams without doubling as a mule. Their femininity is always  covered in elbow grease. Black women are never seen in a place of relaxation and leisure and if they are, it is portrayed as a lazy don't want to work living off the goverment always have her nails done and her hair did ghetto hoodrat. Black women are never portrayed with a healthy balance, we are either working our fingers to the bone or we don't work at  all lest we mess up our manicure.I am sorry the baby  called it, everyone had a palace but Tiana just like the child who said the emperor had on no clothes while all the adults were pretending he did. A matter of factly observation given by both a real child and a fictional one.

Jamila 7230 pts moderator

 DUsher  thecrazyartist  VintageNarcissa I can agree that we totally disagree on this one. 

The Working Home Keeper 6633 pts

I haven't seen the movie yet.  But, reading about Kerry Washington's character as a damsel in distress actually makes me want to see it more.  I like being a damsel in real life (of course my distresses are much smaller scale!).  I love it when my husband or any gentlemen "rescues" me - be it opening a door or offering to reach things in high places.  It's so sad that black women today don't see themselves as being worthy of male protection and aid. 

 

"I am afraid this attitude has so infiltrated the minds of  many black women that even when a man no matter what his race rises up to come to  her aid she will not allow it and she criticizes those who dare to accept the invitation to be rescued when it is offered by some one of the opposite sex."

 

Sad, but true.  We've got to reverse these attitudes somehow.

WorldTravelingChic 632 pts

 The Working Home Keeper "It's so sad that black women today don't see themselves as being worthy of male protection and aid." Agreed!

Butterfly1 601 pts

 The Working Home Keeper

 I was dating a black man who thought that it was crazy that I let a white male neighbor help with something on my garage door.  This Ghetto Bufoon told me that I should know how to do those things as a woman and should not expect a man to do those things for me.  Needless to say I got rid of that loser.  I grew up in a house with a father who did damned near everything for my mother and he grew up with a single mother in a house full of kids with no father.  Such a loser.  I ended it right there!

thecrazyartist 2241 pts

 Butterfly1  The Working Home Keeper

 

I let men help me do things, especially when I need it.  My father still carries my bag to the car if I visit my parents.  It's not being weak, it's called having manners, something a lot of these "men" lack.  I help my elderly neighbors carry groceries, I hold doors for people, because it is polite, not because I am trying to make a statement.  Good for you for ending it right then and there. 

ChristieRJohnson 1104 pts

 thecrazyartist  Butterfly1  The Working Home KeeperI help my elderly neighbors carry groceries, I hold doors for people, because it is polite, not because I am trying to make a statement. 

 

Me too, along with Yes Ma'am/No Sir.  I live in Ct, originally from Va, and it amazes me how many are either delightfully surprised or insulted.  I call it my Southern disability, not because good manners are just from GRITS (girls raised in the South), but because as told by one receptionist, "The only people that call me Ma'am were in the military or from the South."

GG123 370 pts

 Butterfly1  The Working Home Keeper

 Good for you.

ChristieRJohnson 1104 pts

 Butterfly1  The Working Home Keeper You know what, Ms Butterfly1, you just made me realize something (hello, lightbulb).  When I was visiting my folks in Aug, I told my Pop that I had a headlight that burned out.  Before this, he lamented on the fact he never taught me about cars.  Mind you, it wasn't due to the lack of interest.  I buy the bulb, drive home, and he begins to put it in.  I told him I wanted to do to.  He said, "No, no, it's difficult" blah, blah, blah.  I replied,"Pop, I can troubleshoot microphones and intercom systems.  What makes you think I couldn't put in a headlight bulb?"  He laughed and continued with the work.  It burned me up a little.  I live 8hrs away and I need to learn how to do simple repairs when it comes to cars.  However, because I live 8hrs away, he feels helpless.  Putting that bulb in, which required a screwdriver and a flashlight, gave him pleasure.  He felt like a father doing his due diligence, taking care of his youngest child and only daughter.  Most of all, he was happy to do it.

I am single and a lot of things I have to do myself.  I refuse to ask for help and that is on me.  At work, if I need help, most are perfectly willing.  Why do BW feel if they ask for help, they will automatically get rejected?

I would like a guy that can fix things.  I work in tv.  In tv, there are 2 kinds of people: technicians and producers.  Technicians will see a leaky pipe and think, "I could fix that."  Producers, on the other hand, immediately call the plumber.  It makes men feel good to see a big smile and a cheery "Thank you."  

zipporah 1727 pts

I believe its good for women to know how to do stuff like change a tire etc. BUT IF THE DUDE IS THERE, he needs to change the tire for you, or you are just a fool, and he has no SELF ESTEEM----that ghetto buffoon must have been spoiled by other BW. Even non white women wouldnt do too much if the guy is there in front of her,or else this could be why many marriages fail. REAL MEN NEED TO BE NEEDED

Butterfly1 601 pts

 zipporah

 that ghetto buffoon must have been spoiled by other BW

 

Oh he was girl, he was unfortunately.

blackpanthershay 7178 pts

Didn't she try to escape multiple times?