White Math + Black Woman = Career Gold

White Math + Black Woman = Career Gold

No one ever tells you that being a complete nerd pays off in the end. But, I am living proof that tt does for black women more than any other group.

Author : Jenn M. Jackson

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So, I guess I am a ‘blerd.’ You know, a black nerd. And, I have always been one. In third grade I disassembled my mother’s salad spinner and put it back together again just to see how it worked. And, I had moral quandaries with Barbies because their anatomical form never seemed quite to scale. I wore “Coke” bottle glasses at four years old (called that because they were so incredibly thick). And, I could do my older cousin’s algebra homework by fourth grade. Now back then, this was a bit of an issue for me. I stuck out like a sore thumb for a multitude of reasons. And, although I still did relatively well in social settings, I never quite understood social cues. But, my nerd/geek/smarty status was probably the thing that gave me the most solace. I could steal away for hours reading an X-Men comic. Still, the most rewarding things for me were always academic in nature. I loved math and science. I saw math class as a new conquest everyday. I wanted to solve derivatives, integrals, and factorials into perpetuity. And now, that foundation has done so much more for me than I ever could have thought. So, why don’t more people know about this?

There is an excellent piece up on BB&W by the talented Jamila Akil that talks about the new “Black Nerd Movement.” In it, Akil notes how difficult it can be for developing ‘blerds.’ But, another facet of this very fascinating new trend is the flip side. Young black women who are smart, mathematically inclined, and comfortable with numbers often find great success and support for their academic and career endeavors.

In my case, I grew up in a relatively poor inner-city environment. My single-mother was not a college graduate and had little know-how when it came to navigating the college admissions process. But, from junior high school on, it was several teachers who saw promise in me that shooshed me along to the math and engineering honors courses that neither I nor my mother had any clue existed. When I graduated with my 3.8 GPA and attended a well-known school majoring in engineering, it truly seemed a bit unreal. Because of my minority status, economic background, and academic achievement, several top tier schools were clamoring to pay for my undergraduate education. And that makes sense right? Private institutions benefit from diverse student bodies and accomplished students who have proven they can triumph over personal adversity.

White Math > Black Woman

But, no one ever really tells you how much of a commodity you become once you’ve attained ‘blerd’ status. All of a sudden, interviews become yours to lose, job opportunities seem a lot more attainable, and employers find you an extremely attractive candidate. Upon attaining a degree, it seems that the world becomes your proverbial oyster. But, this is not just a success story. Melissa Harris-Perry, a well known ‘blerd’, political scientist, and host of the Melissa Harris-Perry Show on MSNBC, has spoken about how quantitative work is “disproportionately” rewarded in academia.

When discussing black women’s contributions to political science methods and research, she notes that “little black girls” who do math are often seen more similarly to well-trained dogs than to real scholars.

“We are unusual and unlikely and no one expects us to be able to do it. And, [math] can at some times be as much a trick as a real tool.”

Akil touches on this in her piece as well. We have all been teased that being smart is equivalent with being “white.” Math and science were, at some point, aligned with “whiteness” and exodus from the black community. So, as Harris-Perry elucidates, black women who like math and science are not necessarily treated as academic equals with their white male counterparts. They, instead, are seen as impressionists and impersonators who can only go through the mathematical motions without full knowledge of its scholarly underpinnings. This gives way to a host of obtuse expectations which are in direct discord with this new movement.

White Math + Black Woman < Social Expectations

So, what does this mean for black women who master and enjoy white math? Well, they often see career gold. Not so much in a monetary sense because black women – and women in general – are still paid less than men in similar fields. But, they tend to garner unequal recognition for their work. This is because, in some ways, these women are seen as transcendent figures who have “overcome” their race and underrepresented status to move beyond normal black accomplishments. For example, remember when Biden said this of the candidate Obama?

“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy…I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

Biden was a bit off in this statement, but his words reflect the impression many in the mainstream got from Obama in those early campaign days. What makes these nerdy, articulate people so “storybook” is their contradiction with the stereotypical imagery used to describe their social or class group. And ‘blerds’ are a key category experiencing this social change as we speak. While President Obama is likely the most renown ‘blerd,’ he represents a bloc of individuals who have teetered between perceived whiteness and prescribed blackness for some time now. In this vein, black nerds are often seen as the exception to the rule, not an indication that the fundamental rules have changed. Existing stereotypes make it difficult for the ‘blerd’ to be palatable in the grand scheme of things. So, black women who take on this moniker are touted as transcendent rather than as well-adjusted products of ever diversifying social environments.

Socially, black women are still expected to fit into a handful of basic stereotypes. But, nerd is not one of them. And, as more and more black women seek to define themselves, ‘blerds’ will continue to make waves.

White Math + Black Woman = Career Gold?

So, where does the career gold come in? Well, imagine that you are the only person in the room who happens to be from some foreign place. And everyone else around you is pretty homogenous. And because they are generally the same, they have very high expectations for everyone. Everyone but you. Well, they pretty much expect you to fail. But, instead of failing, you totally exceed their expectations. You disprove what they thought they knew about you. And, with no warning, you leave them awestruck at your mental and scholarly capacity. Well, what then? Do the expectations change? Probably not for your group. But they will definitely change for you. You will be seen as some sort of anomaly or “special” member of your group. And that’s when your specialness is rewarded.

This is not to say that black women don’t struggle in employment like others do. Nor is it to say that knowing how to manipulate the graphing functions on your TI-89 calculator will jettison you straight to the top of your field. But, what it does say is that black women occupy an extremely unique space in the academic and corporate arena. It is a social space where isolated expectations exist in a sort of vacuum sealed away from the illusory ones for ‘regular’ black folks. And, though one must still be cognizant of the larger spectrum of social expectations and stereotypes, truly talented black women may supersede these notions with little to no effort. So?

Well, personally, I say we just go ahead and take over the world. Care to join me? No one will expect it.

 

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PamelaKennedy 23 pts

As Native American with a science degree and Math teaching credential all I find is doors slammed in my face when people SEE me. Where the hell are these "opportunities" for minority women with "white" degrees and majors? I mean WHERE? I'll pack my car and drive onto a SHIP to get there if I have to!! And don't tell me either the East Coast or the West Coast, either; I've spent most of my 41 misspent years trying all THOSE states. I get everything from disbelief, treated like I'm lying, or the door slammed in my face everywhere I go trying to get a Math job!! And God forbid I try to actually be an entry-level Biotech lab technician; that field seems even MORE racist.

KingsDaughter 4641 pts

Ok from, an African perspective, two of my girlfriends at undergraduate level majored in maths. They whipped the guys. All the time. One went on to become an engineer, the other an actuary. And yes. Career gold :D

JennMJack 1180 pts

 KingsDaughter

 Right. And I find that there are always one of two reactions to this. Either folks embrace it or they totally veer away from it. Math, sadly, is seldom seen as a tool and more often seen as an onerous task. Hopefully with the increasingly prevalent "nerd" moniker those realities will change. Thanks for the comment:)

Joe2 5 pts

What do you mean by 'white math'? You never explained this concept on account that all math originated from egypt...not europe.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Joe2

 From the text

 

"Akil touches on this in her piece as well. We have all been teased that being smart is equivalent with being “white.” Math and science were, at some point, aligned with “whiteness” and exodus from the black community. So, as Harris-Perry elucidates, black women who like math and science are not necessarily treated as academic equals with their white male counterparts. They, instead, are seen as impressionists and impersonators who can only go through the mathematical motions without full knowledge of its scholarly underpinnings. This gives way to a host of obtuse expectations which are in direct discord with this new movement."

PamelaKennedy 23 pts

 JennMJackYes I've noticed that the only way I can get other MATHEMATICIANS and Science majors to treat me anywhere near as their "equal" is to be dealing with ONLY European-born or raised ones. My current boyfriend likes me BECAUSE we have Math in common  - but he's not New York "raised" he's Israel-raised where people probably don't have these convoluted ideas that brown skin must equal lack of mathematical or scientific ability = hence, more melanin in the skin = not enough brain cells to comprehend math or science, let alone major in them and get the state of New York or Massachusetts to give one a license to TEACH them to high schoolers.  And for that, I "put up" with his being bi-sexual and for some reason being unable to detect covert racism in his choice of boyfriends, but I digress. My point was I only find acceptance from Jewish men  as a whole, (not necessarily EVERY Jewish man I've ever met, mind you) and some Italians, but then only if they're from "over there" and not raised with the American racist mindset. The automatic assumption that I couldn't possibly have a brain just because my skin is brown, seems to be an American and Canadian thing (possibly Australian, too, as I've met some New Zealanders in London who WEREN'T like that).

Dear writer,

I applaud you for exceeding society expectations especially coming from a deprived ethnic single headed home.

At the same time, being comfortable in your skin means owning who you are. U have been given opportunities, embrace them. And if you feel out of place sometimes, do something about it (create mentor opportunities for other minority students, create a blog so that AA scholars can network,  teach chess to deprived kids, have open days for minority students, write Wiki pages about Black female academics so that their efforts are not forgotten, give talks in AA colleges, etc...) .

 

What really annoys me about your article is that you focus on what you cannot control- white people's perceptions. When you have achieved so much.

 

It is sad that some people are still prejudiced. Yet, there you are, a scholar. In a lot of countries (even in Africa) that would never have happened. So, please stop the pity party and count your blessings. Even better, multiply these blessings & enjoy community.

 

It is time to get over the "I'm looked down by evil white people". Enjoy ur life and make yourself known. Do AA know about your achievements? That you can change.

 

JennMJack 1180 pts

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Joe2 5 pts

 JennMJack I don't understand what literaturelover said out of line...

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Joe2

 "We may attack ideas  respectfully but we do not attack the speaker of the idea."

 

Whether a commenter agrees or disagrees with the topic is what should be shared. But, disdain for the author is off topic. The repeated use of the word "you" in the comment above underscores the fact that this comment is not about the subject but about the author.

PamelaKennedy 23 pts

How can you "get over it" when THEY are the ones making the hiring decisions?! The proverbial "door slammed in my face" isn't slammed by people who do think that skin color doesn't dictate intelligence or presumed lack thereof. People who think "brown skin = too stupid for Math" are always the ones making the hiring decisions!!

onmywayup 1750 pts

Not a fan of math, but I will freely admit that it has helped me a lot. I do think the way math is taught in public schools is not the best--if my dad had not taught me certain ways of thinking and problem solving, I would be a hot mess at math.  As it is, I'm okay at math, but since I'm not a fan, I don't do as well at it as I could (even though I have been told often that I am "mathematically talented").

jakethewrestler 402 pts

Yes in the entertainment world it works the opposite.  The BW has to be able to sing or dance or look much much prettier than her white counterpart becasue more is expected physically from a bwn. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 jakethewrestler

 Good point. This is expectations theory at its core. A group is expected to be a certain way and in order to be successful, they have to prove that they are better than some imaginary entity which only exists in others' minds. Thanks for the comment:)

Toni_M 18823 pts moderator

This post is making me want to go out and buy a math book and a graphing calculator.

Jamila 7217 pts moderator

There is another  idea that I think holds black women  (and black men, too) back from being successful in the quantitative fields: the American concept that people are either good at math/science or they are not--it's all about genetics and/or natural talent, as opposed to being about hard work. 

 

It seems to me that in other cultures, particularly the Asian cultures that I've looked at, there is the idea that you can be successful in just about any field you want as long as you are willing to put the work in. So, when a Japanese-American kid doesn't immediately take to mathematics, his parents just make him work harder, and eventually the subject "clicks" in the kids' mind and he becomes good at it. Rather, black parents (and American parents in general) seem more likely to look at what their child is good at, and if it's not mathematics, then the parents don't really push their children to do well in it--the kid likes music and the arts, so that's where the parents let the kids direct their attention.

 

Remember when Amy Chua was catching flack for her book "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother"? One of the things she said in that book that stuck with me was how she forced her daughter to practice a difficult passage on her piano for hours on end until her daughter got it. Well, of course her daughter was angry with her for making her do this...until she finally did the passage correctly. Chua said that kids often don't like something until they get over the difficult hump and become good at it. 

 

Personally, I've really been working on developing my qualitative skills because, as the author of this post says and MHP said (and you all really should watch that entire video linked above), being good at math and statistics really does pay. I've been reading a textbook on finance to prepare for my finance class next semester. I'm also taking a class in inferential statistics and another class in database design and applications next semester. Knowing what I know now, I would have taken a lot more math in my undergraduate career. 

keimiasmoon 1034 pts

 Jamila I totally agree! In fact my life has changed after taking the Asian approach to studying and work. When I don't get something I just keep at it. I've been doing the same thing you've done, taking more science classes, doing extra reading to prepare for hard classes etc. I'm even unlearning all the horrible math practices I learned and relearning math using the Art of Problem Solving books. (Math is taught horribly in this country). It's a much better way to think. 

ChristieRJohnson 1104 pts

 keimiasmoon  Jamila I have to agree that math is taught horribly in this country.  My problem was that no teacher could tell me how learning this could help me in the real world.  None.  Some had the attitude of "How dare you ask that question?"  

However, I love music.  I know theory, can't play proficiently, but I know what I"m looking at.  Much of music theory is based in math.  If I had a teacher that realized that and somehow worked that into the lesson, I then could take it seriously because it would be something I could use.  It's just a different way of thinking.

Look, some people natural amplitude is in math.  Most aren't.  Even if it makes sense and they do well, some will not enjoy it.  Arts have just as much place in society as STEM.  I feel both should have the same level as importance.  Both, teach thinking and problem solving, it's just a different problem and a different way of thinking.

Brice Cameron 2067 pts

 ChristieRJohnson   

Your comment brought me back to something in the video.  Dr. Lacewell says people with math skills are disproportionately rewarded.  I disagree.  They have valuable, relatively rare skills and are proportionately rewarded for them.  I am surprised that no teacher could tell you that math built everything around us.  Without math we have no computers or technology of any sort.  We would all have to survive on farming.  Math is needed to calculate  whether our not our buildings or bridges will stand or fall.  Without math, there is no modern world.  Music is nice,  I like music as much as the next guy.  But when my band didn't look like it was going anywhere, I went back to school and got my physics degree.  I would have rather made my living playing music, but no one was willing to pay me for it.  That is not society's fault.  Society needs engineers more than musicians.  That is just the way it is.

 

Similarly, relating to the speech, if you are a scholar and you can't back up your theories with math, you will not be taken as seriously as if you can.  And that is the way it should be.

ChristieRJohnson 1104 pts

 Brice Cameron Society needs all types.  One without the other would make this world an awful place to be. 

Brice Cameron 2067 pts

 ChristieRJohnson 

Another problem with the video that I have a problem with is that she says something along the lines of that maybe a Black Feminist should reject "the master's tool", math as the basis for things and build their own house.  No one invented math.  Math is the way the universe works.  She might as well reject the white man's gravity.  It would make as much sense.

Brice Cameron 2067 pts

 ChristieRJohnson 

"Society needs all types.  One without the other would make this world an awful place to be."

 

I don't disagree.  But capitalism is the best system yet invented for monetarily rewarding things society needs more.  The free market has determined that a few musicians are worth millions and the rest are not worth much.  On the other hand, millions of engineers are worth a pretty good salary for each one.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Brice Cameron  ChristieRJohnson I totally agree about the origins of math. I think it is this fallacious understanding that math "belongs" to a certain group that perpetuates and further ingrains the issues black women face when deciding to or not to pursue math intensive studies. But, I don't think Melissa was saying that women should reject math. What she is saying is (similar to yourself) that black women should use and study math in ways that work best for them and their own goals.

 

The are a lot of prescriptive methods in quantitative studies. And, often times, scholars feel as though they must fall in line with normative and pragmatic expectations when it comes to methods and data modeling. What she is saying is that since black women have not previously had a place in empirical analysis, we must first understand what makes sense for us and then espouse those rules/algorithms/methods rather than trying to fit ourselves into a pre-existing box not made for us to begin with.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 ChristieRJohnson  I have to say that I slightly disagree that the arts have a similar place in society as STEM. STEM programs produce the innovators, inventors, and statistical minds of tomorrow. We can attribute our universal power grids and sustainable sewage systems to STEM. We can credit STEM with reductions in human land waste and extended life cycles of natural food products. I am not saying that the arts are not important, but I do think an especially high premium should be placed on STEM disciplines because they are integral to a healthy thriving environment.

 

I think this is another one of the issues we have in our community. Tokenism works in both directions. Black folks who can do math or are articulate about difficult concepts are elevated in the larger community while in the black community, there is a sense of derision and exclusion these same people feel when attempting to join their own socio-ethnic group. Arts and social sciences are pitted against the natural sciences.

 

For me, I am an engineer who loves political science. I am blessed enough to understand both. But, fundamentally, I have a mathematical mind. I think if we abandon this notion that these disciplines should be compartmentalized and appreciate them all unto themselves according to what they provide society, we will be much better off.

zipporah 1719 pts

Math IS taught horribly in this country.In the mid 1960s, they started teaching something called 'new math' and my parents couldnt help me at all in 3rd grade. The 'new math' teachers wanted the 3rd graders to do division a certain way and if they didnt do it that way, they were downgraded, etc.

 

The same goes for reading: my older sister was taught phonetically how to read and she always had a high GPA in 1950s High School. I knew how to read already but lost it on comprehension. Many in the teaching community STILL TEACHES memorization of WORDS instead of word parts. Also many asians ive heard teach their children how to read before they start school because of this (dick & jane wasnt good for many kids)

ChristieRJohnson 1104 pts

zipporah

Math isn't the only subject that is taught horribly.  To be honest, the US education system is going off the tracks really fast.  I understand that cursive writing isn't taught anymore.  Is grammar?  Or typing?  Typing was probably the most useful class I took in high school, under the recommendation of my mother.  Or how to write a professional letter?  It's all about facts, not concepts.  Teaching a test instead of teaching to think.  

I thought about becoming a teacher.  I just don't believe I could put up with the nonsense.  I guess that is why being in education is a calling, not a profession.  

 

Toni_M 18823 pts moderator

 Jamila "Knowing what I know now, I would have taken a lot more math in my undergraduate career. "

 

Ugh, so much truth in that statement.

ChristieRJohnson 1104 pts

 Toni_M  Jamila The problem, as I see it, it that most teachers and professors have no idea how to teach math as it  integrates into life.  Let's face it, to most; math, sciences, and engineering are dull at is taught it a way that is far removed.  Every Sun, between Feb and Oct, I watch on television physics in action...NASCAR.  It's all physics, but it is in a form that is a bit more down to earth and it is in action.  Singing and music are physical representations of the mechanics of sound.  If a teacher had presented information in terms that were important to a high school student, maybe there would be more students interested in it.  Then, they could figure out a way to integrate both arts and science into a career.  Video game design degrees are very popular now, as is animation.  Computer science and creativity.  

tracyreneejones 3569 pts

 ChristieRJohnson  Toni_M  Jamila I agree with this. Its not that I cannot become proficient, the issue is that I am not easily able to learn via the method of teaching. I was able to learn my 'own' way when it came to language and reading. But being able to get the click at one time rather than others means that learning is possible. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

@ChristieRJohnson I totally agree with you here. I find that I have struggled with teaching math at the collegiate level. Since math has always been.a natural proclivity for me, I tend to struggle articulating it to folks who self-identify as math averse. It wasn't until I took a step back to recognize that my thought process wouldn't work for all of my students that I was able to connect with them .

tracyreneejones 3569 pts

I have math dyslexia, which I found out about as an adult. I was great with numbers until algebra was introduced to me in 7th grade. I also suck as chemistry. I failed algebra twice in high school, and finally passed the state exit exam on my last attempt during my senior year in high school. I failed algebra twice in college, had to take basic math prep courses in order to take college level math, I didn't mind. When I have a teacher who is willing to work with me, I am able to develop my own 'language' and understanding of equations. Two teachers, both with thick accents who took the time to explain forward and backward until the light bulb clicked in my head. There was some disruptive latino male in one of my prep classes who displayed his insecurity over math by heckling the teacher, the other student's were annoyed and the teacher was frustrated. I stood up and told him that I paid for my tuition in cash, and I want to learn and if he doesn't, I can show him the door but what he wouldn't do is interrupt the teacher while he's teaching us shit we want to know" I sat back  down and the guy never came back to class after that. I understand geometry better now because I am able to look at it in 3d on a screen. I have the habit of transposing numbers, and a problem understanding spacial relationships. I wish I had known I had a learning disability in school, but back then they just said 'girls don't do math'. I can do math if I put my mind to it and focus, and I do when I must. I envy those who do it easily. I think about all the drug dealers who actually kept rudimentary accounting of their 'business' and can break down percentages, profits, and statistics and what not in their heads with ease. 

Brice Cameron 2067 pts

There are not only relatively few black women in the more math intensive science fields, there are also few women in general in these fields.  One of the explanations I have heard for that is that boys and girls are treated differently when they come to something that is harder for them to grasp.  While math can be fun, there will be also areas that are difficult for almost any student.  Whereas a boy will be told to work harder to grasp it, a girl will be told that it is OK if she is not got at it.  These lower expectations lead girls to pursue other subjects that they find easier.  I don't know if this is what happens or not.  That doesn't seem to have happened to you.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Brice Cameron i wouldn't necessarily say this didn't happen to me. I just used the brute force tactic. And, although my anatomy resulted in everyone pushing me away from academia and toward athletics (being 6'4" tall by seventh grade), I always had a deep passion for the sciences that a few really great public school teachers recognized beneath the surface.

 

I agree though, there were always fewer girls in my classes and the ones that were there were often Asian. And, when I struggled with an abrupt transition from 8th grade math to high school algebra in middle school, I was pretty much overlooked by the teacher. It wasn't until high school that I was able to reconnect to my initial love for the discipline.

PamelaKennedy 23 pts

 Brice Cameron In the 5th-grade class I got to teach lately, in the math portion, I found that the girls were getting all the answers right and the boys were messing up - and being loud and vociferous about it along the way. At what point in life does that change? By adulthood it's assumed that if you're female (and God forbid black or "looks Black" Native American) you must be too stupid to do math or be good at math - but back in elementary school and early middle school the girls were BETTER at math than the boys?!?! What happens, here?!

uninterracial 948 pts

I still have a TI-85. Oh, how I loved thee. Does that include me in the "blerd" category. God, I loved that thing.

 

I majored in Biology and Chemistry but I never considered myself a nerd because I was not a straight A student. I had good grades, dean’s list and all that, but I know there were others who were way more dedicated because they were going to med school, etc.  I simply wanted to graduate and get a job.  I had no problem getting work; in fact I had two offers in one week a few months after graduating, and more to come when I was working. I’d say it helps to major in the math and science in general, but in no way did I think it made me special; I simply didn’t want to be viewed that way even though people may have. Tokenism comes to mind in these situations and I can’t tell you how uncomfortable it made me sometimes when I realized I was the only one.

Toni_M 18823 pts moderator

 uninterracial Reading this post made me actually miss my graphic calculator that I had in math class as a kid and teen. I never thought I'd get nostalgic about a calculator. XD

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 Toni_M  uninterracial  The TI-83 Plus was my day. I have to admit, it was pretty awesome :) 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 uninterracial I agree. It is very disconcerting when you realize that you are being 'tokened.' I had that experience for most of my life and my first real job out of college left me feeling that way. So, to a certain extent, I think it is detrimental especially when the token person doesn't necessarily have the know-how or chops to meet whatever the desired role is.

 

However, I think it is actually a great position to be in in terms of disproving stereotypes. I have always set out to be different than whats expected of me and challenge the unfair stereotypes folks arm themselves with. So, sometimes, being the only one means you get to set forth an example that most reflects what black women should behave like, think like, or be like. A lot of stereotypes come from a lack of knowledge of and access to certain minority groups. So, the best way to alleviate their ubiquitous-ness is simply to continue shining.

 

Thanks for the comments:)

PamelaKennedy 23 pts

 uninterracial No, majoring in Bio and Chem alone makes you a "nerd" to the Black community - if and only if that's whose opinion you care about. Anyone who goes against the grain and majors in math or a science is obviously beyond caring what the Black community thinks, though. If you've had no problem getting work in those fields, though, you're way better off than me. All I find is that there seem no jobs available, even back in the 90s when I graduated. I've been lucky if I've been able to find call center jobs where no customer or client can see me and react with racism (not wanting to deal with me or listen to me because I "look Black".) -- only because no one can tell I'm not white over the phone.

CocoaFly 253 pts

Nice post but I'm not feeling the term "white math." Ancient Egyptians utilized math, science. And contributed greatly to the development of math and science. There's a lot of stuff that are considered "white people things" that black people did in the past or invented, I.e. rock music, medicine, math, exploring nature, etc.

zipporah 1719 pts

I'm with YOU on that term 'white math' because the ASIANS are mopping the floor with whites on that one. We as a group just need to let go of stereotypes OURSELVES and not worry what other black or whites think of us, or what we do.

dasdbobb 1380 pts

 CocoaFly

 The stop light and gas mask. 

JennMJack 1180 pts

 CocoaFly I agree that the notion that smart things are "white" is archaic and off-base. But, I use it in this context to paint the picture regarding how it impacts perceptions of black women. And, though the trope is entirely false, many still tell themselves and others in the black community that smart = white/not black. It is something we have to overcome. And, I think with this new 'blerd' culture, that is exactly what we are doing.

PamelaKennedy 23 pts

 JennMJack  CocoaFly I can beat that one: I got told (in Canada) that the reason I get treated like Black even though I'm Choctaw Indian is that "Indians are white, so you're Black."

 

Law Wanxi 5792 pts

Good post, but you left a good reason to do math. 

 

It's fun. Good clean cheap fun.

JennMJack 1180 pts

 Law Wanxi Agreed. I alluded to my enthusiasm for math but did not outright-ly note that it is just fun to do. I think it is important to note too because folks see math as onerous and difficult. But, once a lot of this stuff is broken down, it build upon basic concepts that many people are already familiar with.

Bellatrix79 424 pts

Nice post.  I love math and chemistry.  I don't think I'm a math or chemistry whiz though.  Besides this, I completely understand where you are coming from.  Nice post.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

I'm with DUsher, I'm more of literature/history nerd. I often didn't do well in math, but I was still in math advanced placement classes, and even took AP calculus for a semester. But my talents and interests overall just lie on reading and writing. When I was in kindergarden I was reading Ben Hurr, David Copperfield, and the like. Even  now, I'm re-reading The Great Gatsby; and recently a black social media personality I follow on Facebook posted a status asking people what they were reading, 'because it's such a shame that black people don't read.' And I still got wtf responses when I said I was reading Fitzgerald. And here I was thinking I was among friends! lol, my mistake. 

 

I very much want to obtain a Masters degree not only in journalism but also in creative writing. I enjoy the academia of it all. On top of the fact that more and more of the best selling authors out today, even those who write fiction, have completed a Masters degree. It puts you on the fast track to getting published, and many programs often set students famous writer mentors. You'll also be surprised how selective creative writing graduate programs are. Most select no more than six to eight students per year. 

 

We live in a society where children in general don't know how to read or write, let a long black children. It's so sad because everything we do in this society begins with the written word. Before you can even study great math concepts, you need to be able to read them, and that's why words are so near and dear to my hear. 

 

But the world needs all types of nerds, so we're all in good company :)