People Defending Dollar: Black People Whip Their Kids, Have the Worst Results!

People Defending Dollar: Black People Whip Their Kids, Have the Worst Results!

Black people spank their kids the most, but how’s that working for us?

Author : Christelyn Karazin

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Did you hear that the ‘saint’ Creflo Dollar has been arrested for simple battery and child cruelty for allegedly punching, choking and hitting his daughter with a shoe? That’s pretty bad, right? But you know what’s worse? Black folks defending his actions as a “spare the rod, spoil the child” horse-crap defense. Madame Noire reported on the incident, and some of the comments speak to the dysfunction that is so much a part of the black community:

“The choking and punching are only alleged at this point. If it’s proven or he admits to choking and punching her, that would definitely be excessive. I’m not a fan of how Dr. Dollar handles his church finances and I have no religious beliefs to speak of, but that doesn’t sway my observation. Like Lakisha said, the man is still a father. As a person who grew up in a household with a willful sister who constantly tested my own father, I’m gonna withhold any blame on Creflo until I can hear more facts…lol :)

another one said,

“Man of God or just a regular lay person, if we have children, we have issues from time to time. The situation seems to have gotten out of hand and the police was called. Disrespect me and I whoop your behind, nuff said.”

It’s time black folks stop using arse whopping as the the Alpha and Omega of discipline. We beat our kids more than any other race and have the worst results. Despite all the beatings, we have a high percentage of black boys locked up in prison. In spite of Ma-Dea making her grand kids go fetch a green switch for their own whippings, we still have the highest out-wedlock rates, highest unemployment, high black-on-black crime, high drop out rate…need I go on?

Why are African Americans so invested in giving their children beatings, when they clearly DON’T WORK? This is a hunch, but I think many parents perpetuate beating children because they want a sanctioned excuse for taking out their frustrations on their kids. Heck; life’s hard. Who has time for a parenting class when I can just whomp on my child’s hindquarters? Whippings are a legacy of slavery, just like colorism. Are we so infantile that we as a people can’t adopt some varying parenting skills? Is “time out” for white people?

I have four kids, and I won’t sit up here and say I haven’t spanked my kids. I have. But we don’t reach for the belt at every minor infraction. We use a few tactics, and spanking is a last resort and saved for the really bad stuff. And after 8 years old, our kids don’t get spanked AT ALL, and we certainly don’t brag to our friends and family about how I beat the tar out of them, like I often hear some black parents do.

I’m glad this happened to be honest. Not that this incident will sway the Creflo zombies, who might go choke their kids, throw shoes at them, and call the police in protest.

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Blanc2 353 pts

The thing that jumped out at me was his "prosperity" theology.  I cannot imagine anything more anathema to the message of Christ than the vile spew preached by Mr. Dollar and his ilk.  The devil generally is more trickster than evil monster.  He resides in Creflo Dollar, not Larry Flynt.

 

Christelyn 9250 pts moderator

 Brenda55 What a pimp and a crook. I'm sorry I can't stand this arrogant SOB.

Toni_M 20075 pts moderator

 Christelyn   Brenda55 Does he not know that people can go online and read the police report? Or find out that his other daughter is now backing up the victim's statement as to what happened?

 

I'm sure there are some brain-dead folks who believe him unquestioningly, but it's not like everyone is an idiot. And if you have an eye-witness that's backing up the victim and NOT you, that doesn't sound like haters slandering for the sake of seeing him go down: That sounds like a key testimony that could send him up the river deservingly.

 

 

Also, I'm reminded of Eddie Bishop Long for some reason.

ASwirlGirl 3221 pts

 Christelyn  "Arrogant" is right. UGH.

SirLoinDeBeef 2655 pts

Creflo Dollar - CReate a FLOw of DOLLARs - what does this have to do with the Beatitudes ... the Sermon on the Mount ... the life of Christ?

Might just as well decide to worship the printing presses at the U. S. Department of the Treasury.

Toni_M 20075 pts moderator

 SirLoinDeBeef I am honestly amazed he could get away with creating a name like that and NO ONE see anything wrong with it. I mean, I'd admittedly hesitate joining a church where the pastor changed his name to DOLLAR.

 

I honestly thought that was his name (I didn't know anything about him prior to this case) and that it was just a funny one.

Sophia 486 pts

I must say, on a random note, that the pic in the avatar (of Creflo Dollar, I assume?) displays quite a handsome man.  Shame he is so violent and materialistic.  Quite unbecoming of a man of God.  

Which brings me to another point...do all these preachers miss the passages in the Bibles extolling poor people, and denouncing riches and money?  How on earth do you name yourself Dollar?  This is an aspect of American religiosity that always confused me.  Even religion is infused with capitalism. 

Morenika 870 pts

 Sophia I am confused always.  Most say we are going to hell if we don't tithe...  This is sad but majority of religious leaves have figured out away to capitalize.  I truly hope I am not offending anyone,  but the Catholic church has always been capitalist.  My father always said the pope was a pimp....  I recently sat with a lady who is involved of one of our mega churches here and she was saying that she was fed up with the pastors getting rich off of the members and the member that they bully into giving by saying you have to tithe or else, have lights and gas turned off and cars that barely make it.  But pastor, has a land rover and caddy..

Morenika 870 pts

 Brenda55 Wow...  is all I can say....

Patricia Kayden 1710 pts

Christelyn asks: "Why are African Americans so invested in giving their children beatings, when they clearly DON’T WORK?" But you know that many Black parents (such as my Mum) would argue you down to the ground about that.

 

You often hear Black people saying rather proudly, "My parents beat me when I was growing up and I turned out fine."  In other words, my butt was beaten, but look how good I turned out compared to the out of control children of today.

 

But I agree with you that times have changed and that beating children is no longer acceptable -- in most circles.  I guess many Black people just haven't caught up yet.

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Toni_M 20075 pts moderator

 C15h Corporate punishment vs. non-corporate punishment = non-black people issue. A black preacher who committed what amounts to child abuse on his daughter and is now being defended by black people who (1) view his extremes as normal because "she disrespected him or (2) would rather throw a black female under the bus than take a black man to task for acting inappropriately = black people issue.

 

This is very much representative of a problem within areas of the black community. It cannot be carried over to other ethnic groups because the dysfunction behind it is unique. 

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Toni_M 20075 pts moderator

 C15h , I'm going to say something that you don't necessarily agree with and it's probably going to make you uncomfortable, but I don't care, because I'm tired of people trying to do this whenever a light is shined on the type of dysfunctional thinking COMMON among a large portion of black people.

 

Are you ready?

 

*clears throat*

 

One of things that keeps dysfunction in check in the black community is this fairy tale that people like to tell where this type of ridiculousness is seen as normal or not as problematic outside of the black community. Even worse, some people would rather pretend it's better to focus on the dysfunctional behaviors of others outside of the black community than to give a damn that it's dysfunctional and seek to change it.

 

I am not playing the, "white people do this too!" game. I am not playing the "white people have criminals/domestic abuse/etc. game". If black people focused more on THEIR OWN GROUP and what was wrong, it would be a step in the direction of fixing it. But people don't want to think about that.

 

It's funny you bring up individualism because my individual self decrees that I will not be goaded into overlooking a common problem for the sake of being mentally and emotionally comfortable. I take no comfort in the dysfunction of other groups. I do not instinctively look to that in order to make myself feel better. When people do this, it troubles me. It's too much like hiding and denial, which solves nothing.

 

As a group, I'd rather call something the disturbing as heck thing that it is than placate myself with "outward gazing", which is what I call the knee-jerk reaction to a bright light shined on trifling and backward behavior within the black community.

 

Sorry, but you are barking up the wrong tree in this regard.

 

 

Toni_M 20075 pts moderator

 C15h "i just don't see what individuals chooses to do somehow become an indictment on black people."

 

 

It becomes an indictment on those black people who wish to dismiss and normalize the behavior. If that ain't you, then guess what? You are not a target.

 

Speaking of which:

 

"you've written many times on not making one's self the target for other people's buffoonery. i don't see it any differently when making black people the target."

 

 

I have indeed, and I find it curious you are referring to those post when what I wrote BACKED UP MY OPINION ON THIS MATTER. From my very first post on "targets":

 

"Rather than separate from, call out, or shame bad behavior (regardless of whether it is truly unique to blacks or not) the instinct is to in some way unify and defend everyone, regardless of whether or not it’s applicable to the individual. “WE are not all like that and WE must all oppose this because it is meant to reflect on ALL of US.”"

 

Another quote:

 

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“It’s unfortunate that this is true about THAT group of people and THEY need to get THEMSELVES together. I and the people I associate with are not like THAT and certainly want more for ourselves. THOSE persons who do not are simply shameful. It’s disgraceful behavior.”

 

What I just did was called Othering. That is when you seek to distinguish undesirables from yourself, both because you are not an undesirable and because you have no desire to be confused with one."

 

 

Not making one's self the target means DISASSOCIATING ones self with undesirable behavior. I am not calling out "all black people". That's obvious. How many people commenting now are black? It's clear that this behavior does not apply to us.

 

But....making yourself a target means presuming that calling out negative and undesirable behaviors among black people is somehow reflected on you. Nope. Not if you are willing to other. This is othering.

 

 

MommyTRex2010 171 pts

 Toni_M  I am not playing the, "white people do this too!" game. I am not playing the "white people have criminals/domestic abuse/etc. game". If black people focused more on THEIR OWN GROUP and what was wrong, it would be a step in the direction of fixing it. But people don't want to think about that.

I loooved this statement, every time situations like this come up someone mentions White people or other racial/ethnic groups, I get that We all have issues, but as Black people we have a tendency to not address our issues properly. 

believer1969 10 pts

@MommyTRex2010 @Toni_M...... Refer back to the title of this blog! The Black and White reference started right there, not with anyone who has since commented... It has in it the Black people do this crap along with the Black people have the worst results bull! Whipping are not just a Black thing. That's the point that needs to be clarified. If the issue needs to be addressed it needs dressing! Period. Not just addressed in the Black community..

Toni_M 20075 pts moderator

 believer1969  MommyTRex2010 Oh, hon: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2382/1574576278_842b8978b1.jpg

 

The title is obviously a reference to interracial DATING, but nice try. This is the second time someone has tried to reference information from this site (post and titles) to try and defend sticking their head in the sand.

 

"Whipping is not a black thing."

 

And?

 

No really, I'd like to know how this "see the big picture" and "other groups do it too!" logic makes more sense than facing the fact that African Americans as an ethnic group (a) downplay, rationalize, and ignore HARMFUL DYSFUNCTIONAL BEHAVIOR PATTERNS and (b) look to other groups to rationalize this rather than see the behavior as dysfunctional AND STRIVE TO CHANGE IT.

 

The fundamental point was NEVER about whether corporal punishment is bad. That will continue to be debatable among a lot of people, not just blacks. Of course, when people do not want to face the ugly truth: it's preferable to throw children and women under the bus, even if they are the victims, in order to coddle criminals and deviants. That certain behaviors DO NOT WORK for blacks as a group and the best way to deal with it is to ACKNOWLEDGE THIS and then FIX IT.

 

Of course, this will never happen, I know it won't, among people who'd rather pretend that Rome is not burning, because they read that there was a fire in freaking Calcutta. "Calcutta is burning too! Why should I be concerned?!"

 

*facepalm of doom*

 

Hiding from issues within the black community by pretending that it's not so bad because look at all the dysfunction elsewhere is not, NOT, going to resolve those issues. It's just a means of derailing discussion and avoiding the issue. It's a cop-out, plain and simple.

Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

 Toni_M  believer1969  MommyTRex2010 

 

Here ya go Toni.  You may need this in the future.

 

http://www.skepticalraptor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Strawman-light.jpg

Toni_M 20075 pts moderator

 believer1969  MommyTRex2010 ***And I should add, waiting for OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS to get around to solving and fixing their problems.

 

Jesus take the wheel...

Toni_M 20075 pts moderator

 Brenda55  believer1969  MommyTRex2010 Thank you, my own straw man. I think I'll call him Wilbur.

Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

 Toni_M  believer1969  MommyTRex2010 Maynard works also. 

Toni_M 20075 pts moderator

 Brenda55  believer1969  MommyTRex2010 LOL, did the other comment get deleted? Because I was serious about wanting an answer to my questions. Though I'm tired of people commanding that everyone hide from the specific problems in the black community, I would like it if once, JUST ONCE one of these people at least explained to me why they this "outward-gazing" approach worked.

Toni_M 20075 pts moderator

 Brenda55  believer1969  MommyTRex2010 think this*

 

Typos

 

Also your rotating icon pics is killing me. XD Someone has a crush...

Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

 Toni_M  believer1969  MommyTRex2010 

 

I have got it bad. The last time this happened.......I married the guy.......side-eye over in the direction of the hunk I share my life with.

 

He is watching a Mr. Bean movie and is about to rupture himself he is laughing so hard.

 

 

Toni_M 20075 pts moderator

 Brenda55  believer1969  MommyTRex2010 Aww! <3 

 

Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

 Toni_M  believer1969  MommyTRex2010 

I saw that post. Guess the person change their mind and that is cool.

 

The blog named Beyond Black & White which gives a lot of leeway re. the topics we can talk about here. 

Toni_M 20075 pts moderator

 Brenda55  believer1969  MommyTRex2010 True...but I just find it a bit odd that this is the second time in the same thread that persons started reaching for blog-related items to stuff Mr. Straw man is all. 

 

Though I'm impressed this topic has gone on for this long without being slapped upside the head left and right with bible quotes out of context to justify this situation and similar acts of dysfunction. So there's that. :)

Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

 Toni_M  believer1969  MommyTRex2010 Well the person thought better than to post the comment and decided to drop it. I think we should too. 

 

I for one am glad that this did not turn into a bible-fest.  

 

The Rev. will have his day in court. I do hope that matters settle down in his house hold and that his relationship with his daughter can be repaired.  This is a mess that I do not wish on any parent.

Aabaakawad 1432 pts moderator

 Toni_M  C15h White people, and politicians feel they have to cater to them, do this constantly when the prejudiced or privileged behavior of Whites <b><i>in general</i></b> is pointed out. Whether it's that, or a minority resisting a generalized criticism, it puts a full stop to any critical thinking.

My latest conversation: ForumPress

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Morenika 870 pts

 C15h That is crazy.  This reminds of when Alec Baldwin threatened to get on a plane and spank hi daughter after he cussed her out.  I was like darn she is the only child that has been threatened and cussed out by their dad.  My dad (birthfather) reminds me so much of Alec Baldwin in regards to personality...  I am a fan of Alec Baldwin but I also go yuk...  LOL  My father (birthfather) is nuts and has always resented the separation and divorce of he and my mother.....  Alec should realize... 

Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

 C15h This is not solely a black people's issue. Other groups do this also.  And?

 

We here are black women.  Who is most likely to be our abusers? 

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Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

 C15h I have no clue what that was supposed to mean since I agree with you.

You are right this is not just a black issue. Does that really matter at the end of the day? 

Morenika 870 pts

 Brenda55  C15h Just breaking some ice.... Love that Harry Connick Jr.   I will be watching him on PBS Friday...  I think he should be voted one of the most handsome men in America...

Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

 Morenika  C15h He a a cutie.  Like his music. Have you checked out Chris Botti?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz-oezjDdMY&feature=relmfu

Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

 Morenika  C15h Vince Gill on vocals BTW.

Morenika 870 pts

 Brenda55  C15h I just listened to a portion and now I want them both.....I have to be honest and say this is my first time listening.  I learn a lot from you Brenda.  I will be looking at this CD.  I just purchased Tony Bennett's Duet II because I just love everybody he aligned himself with on the CD.  This is why it pays to be social...  You learn.....   Thank you....  Returning back to link now to drool....

Morenika 870 pts

 Brenda55  C15h It's something about a sexy man who can play instruments..  I love VInce Gills voice...

Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

 Morenika  C15h 

 

Here is another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M51UqyWpYko

 

Just the thing for cuddling up in some big strong arms with. 

Morenika 870 pts

 Brenda55  C15h I am listening now.  He has been with Buble, Bocelli I see..  My favorites...  Him playing the trumpet is very sexy....  I will one day soon have my big strong arms to jump in and settle in listening to this music.  I see over dinner for two and this playing oh and with the candlelights.......

Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

 Morenika  C15h 

Last one and my favorite 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBJME9ki5oo

 

Love dancing to this.

Morenika 870 pts

 Brenda55  C15h I am enjoying listening to him....  Do people still throw undies at concerts?  LOL ....On the other hand would not want to be arrested.  Oh and he is the perfect age for me...  He's got me by 10 yrs...  He is such eye candy....

Brenda55 20939 pts moderator

 Morenika  C15h I think that panty throwing stuff is out of fashion these days.......at least at the concerts I go to. 

 

I have not had the pleasure to see him live unfortunately. 

Morenika 870 pts

 Brenda55  C15h Yeah,  I thought panty throwing was out...  I will be following his music.  He is very talented.  If Andrea Bocelli performs with you, that is also speaking volume..  If you make it to his concert before I do,  Please get his autograph for me......  I love jazz and classical, so I am always trying to see what concerts are here in town.  If he comes here,  I am going..   This is fun....  Thank you Brenda...

KingsDaughter 4967 pts

 Brenda55 Saw him on Oprah a couple of years back.

MommyTRex2010 171 pts

 Morenika  Brenda55  C15h   Harry Connick Jr was on Law and Order SVU, he's a better singer than actor. I always thought it had some black family members. His lips are divine.

Morenika 870 pts

 MommyTRex2010  Brenda55  C15h i love his Southern drawl....  He does have luscious lips.....  I thought he would also have a black family member, but I also saw him do his family tree with Dr. Henry L. Gates and no...  He just always wanted to be among the black community and you know he is from New Orleans and is very close to the Marsalis family...  I was hopping my New Orleans family tree would lead up with Harry on it...  LOL

MommyTRex2010 171 pts

 Morenika  Brenda55  C15h  Good to know. I'm sorry I missed  Dr Henry Louis Gates' show, maybe I can check on demand or something? Yes his accent also, I love accents but the Louisiana accent  are the only southern accents I can tolerate.  LOL

Morenika 870 pts

 MommyTRex2010  Brenda55  C15h I know that they did a rerun of his family tree last week on PBS....  I hope you get a chance to see it...  It makes you that much more in love with him...  He has a great sense of humor and personality to match....