The Obamas (And No Other Black People) Are Fashion Icons Because White People Say So

The Obamas (And No Other Black People) Are Fashion Icons Because White People Say So

“I am so beyond these people and their incessant need to prove that black people are sub par and need of spoon fed instructions to life. At first, I was simply going to respond on the blog and leave it at that. But when I began to see the other comments, some of which suggest the opinion has been dubbed racist only because it was said by a white person in reference to blacks, I knew I had to expand my own opinion.”

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I am becoming quite fed up with all of these public figures putting in their two cents about what black people should do with their lives. Most likely because election season is right on our coattails, there has been a lot of opinions, by various white people, about blacks. First there was the Forbes columnist Gene Marks and his op-ed, “If I were a Poor Black Kid,” detailing how hard he would work in order to achieve white middle-class success as a disadvantaged black youth. Then there was GOP candidate Newt Gingrich suggesting that black people should demand paychecks from their government instead of food stamps. Now there is a new opinion in town that insinuates that all black people except Barack and Michelle Obama supposedly dress in the dark. I read a piece on The Gloss reporting that Nathalie Dolivo, a writer for French Elle expressed her ‘joy’ that the Obamas are here to be a fashion example for blacks everywhere. The Gloss deciphers Dolivo’s words for us common folk.

French Elle writer Nathalie Dolivo is so happy about black people! She’s thrilled that they’ve finally learned to dress well! Yes, after generations mired in baggy pants and rap music and such, they finally have Barack and Michelle Obama to look to. Thanks, Obamas! You’re stylish black people and now other black people can be stylish, too.

I am so beyond these people and their incessant need to prove that black people are sub par and need of spoon fed instructions to life. At first, I was simply going to respond on the blog and leave it at that. But when I began to see the other comments, some of which suggest the opinion has been dubbed racist only because it was said by a white person in reference to blacks, I knew I had to expand my own opinion.

It is bad enough that people on our own American soil still find it okay to degrade black people in such a manner. But when people of other nationalities feel it is okay as well, there is a real problem. We can only assume that since the author used an American couple as her reference that she is referring to black Americans supposed lack of style and fashion sense. If that is the case, what in the hell does black American fashion have to do with France? If foreigners are really going to come in on their horses and try to school Americans on how to live (and I would not even say it wouldn’t be well deserved payback), do you really want to start with black people? Our fashion sense, or lack there of, is the least of America’s problems.

Never mind that there are black people in France. I would assume that France would have such a sense of national pride; that there would be a clear distinction between black American and black French. There is in fact no distinction at all except for the assumed. Therefore the verdict must be, where ever there are black people, they must have no clue about fashion.

Does it matter that few people in the world can even afford the type of couture that the Obama’s often wear. For example, The Gloss accompanied its piece with a photo of Barack and Michelle at the 2010 state dinner where Michelle wore the sparkly, blue, one shoulder gown designed by Peter Soronen. It can also be assumed that Mrs. Obama did not pay for the dress, but blacks are supposed to shell out tooth and nail to be considered the “black-geoisie” in their style of dress, as coined by Dolivo.

Trend of the sagging pants, which was once localized to black American youth, has now expanded across not only color and socio-economic lines but also national and cultural lines. It is not uncommon to walk down Fifth Avenue, see a young white male (perhaps he’s on his way to the Apple Store) and know the color of his boxers but not his name. France is especially known for embracing American rap culture and many aspects that come with it, including the sagging pants trend. I am not a fan of sagging pants myself, but rap culture in any nation is but a microcosm of black culture as a whole, and sagging pants are the only seemingly negative fashion trend that can be attributed to blacks. On an average day, one can go out and see black people donning various degrees of style, but our dress is no different than any other race walking among us. We wear the standard jeans and t-shirt, dresses, skirts, slacks, button-up shirts, heels, flats and sneakers just like anyone else. If we were to be invited to the state dinner, I am certain that a black person would be more than willing to present their Sunday best, just like anyone else.

Where does Ms. Dolivo get off insinuating that the Obamas are the sole positive example for black fashion? Dare I say do we not have Beyonce? Was Octavia Spencer not just hailed as one of the best dressed at the Golden Globes? There has been a steady back track in the audacity of many white people in their attitudes toward blacks. With each day that passes, I feel like we are regressing back to the 1950′s rather than awaiting the end of the world in 2012. I’d like to point out, if the world did end, black and white, rich and poor, fashionable and unfashionable would bleed and die just the same. But why is Britney Spears allowed to walk around practically half naked on an average day and is still considered one of the most stylish fashion icons, but Rihanna gets called a “N*gga B*tch” in reference to her personal style.

People out there seem to be extremely bored in this failing global economy (last I heard, the European Union wasn’t doing that well either) and are relying on – things are bad, but at least I’m not … in this case things are bad, but at least I’m not a poor, undereducated black person who is living on food stamps and cannot dress.

As I do my best to surround myself around many progressive black people from several different backgrounds, it strikes me as very strange that people continue to go out of their way to fish out negatives about blacks. Fashion? Really? There are starving children in Africa and people are worried about how blacks dress? How about shipping some of that couture to Cambodia?

I am suddenly reminded about an episode from the 2003 MTV reality show Rich Girls, where Ally Hilfiger and Jaime Gleiche documented their lives as trust fund babies and socialites. I remember one episode where the girls were discussing how unfortunate it was that ‘regular people’ did not know the fashion value of various articles of clothing. How an average person would probably wear a pair of cargo pants because they needed the pockets to carry their cargo, instead of wearing it because it was stylish. Despite the fact that many years prior Ally’s father Tommy was quoted as saying his clothes were not made for black people, there was no racial reference in their dialogue.

Even with all their fashion sense, Hilfiger, Gleiche and Dolivo alike show the disadvantage in their privilege and I honestly pity them a lot more than they pity me or any other black people. When I step out in my most fashionable clothing, which may not be couture, but is fashionable none the less, I know that I have not only earned it through my own hard work and merit, but that I have decided that what I am wearing is fashionable, not Elle magazine.

More importantly, why should anyone make such a fuss about how black people dress when more than likely, if a black person were to walk into a couture boutique in France, the shop owners, workers and anyone else in the store would most likely be wondering … why is this black person even in here and what are they going to steal?

Finally, I leave you with the comment I left at The Gloss.

 

I’m not quite sure why in 2012, people still insist on hanging on to ignorant stereotypes of black people and won’t just allow us to be people, like anyone else. Every other day I read another article about some person trying to direct black people onto some virtuous path. Please don’t act like there are not trailer trash whites, ghetto Asians and hood whatever the else; exactly why is there this spotlight on blacks supposedly needing to be taught how to be human beings. That’s what makes it racist. The writer mentioned something about Turbans, which are not even apart of any black culture, unless perhaps the person is Muslim. But no one is insinuating that Middle Eastern people need to be taught by whites how to dress. Today’s society is so insistent on portraying the negative about black people when there are millions of us, all over the world striving to have the best in life, just like anyone else. Outside of what is portrayed on television and magazines, some of the most fashionable people I know are black. And just because Obama is dressed in a suit and tie does not make him better or more fashionable than any other person of black heritage. In fact, it is well known that French youth regularly emulate the so-called black culture of style and dress. I say sarcastically, what could be so wrong about it if white people want to do it as well?

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Blackberry 487 pts

See my whole problem with this thing isn't race nesscarily so much as it is rampant superficiality. I believe in dressing appropriately, I am professional at work, in sweats at the gym and only wear costumes to fancy dress parties. The whole notion of "stylish" (at least from the high fashion world) is about division. "I'm better because...." it's a way for the idle to distinguish themselves other idle persons.

Four things
1) fashion icons? Who cares....... Academia! Science! Medicine anyone... Einstein had awful hair, but nobody cared! And rightly so. Obama looks good in a suit, but if I had choose I'd rather he wear tweed and be good at his job and be "good for blacks" that way

2) Oprah--yeah the store was closing, but if a billionaire shows up at your door at 5minutes to 5 o'clock I'm pretty sure your boss will be happy to pay you for overtime. Let Angelina Jolie show up in sweats unannounced and watch what happens!

3) france generally, there is some discord with immigration out of west Africa, but I did jot experience any problems. I was wandering around in a tank top, shorts I got from a thrift store and "Asian print" purse I got from china town for $10 and I was let into Harry Winston right next to the Ritz in Paris. I think it was the Ritz....it was the one Diana was staying at when she chased to death by the paparazzi. So the discrimination isn't universal.....

4) the petty side of my girl-brain has to let everybody know that I find both Rihanna and Beyonce to be incredibly tacky. Which is hard to do with all that money and a personal stylist!

Maxine 207 pts

Blackberry Good points. I take it with a grain of salt when someone tells me another country will be better or worse for blacks. It's different for tourists vs. residents, blacks from affluent Western nations vs. elsewhere, and secular people vs. Muslims (we've seen in the news the trouble they've had in France, many of them not black but Arab). I will say that regardless of your color, the French love it when you attempt their language. Most Parisians speak English but they hate for you to assume that they do. When I pulled out my pocket dictionary and tried French phrases, I feel like people's demeanor toward me was softer and friendlier than to my white traveling companions.

I remember the Oprah Hermes flap. She said it was incorrectly portrayed in the media; she was kind of miffed that they spun it like here's a spoiled billionaire demanding special treatment. So perhaps the store was not already closed, or someone promised to assist her when she arrived, even after closing? I don't know. But us regular people have to remember that Hermes is not Target and they don't have $10/hr salespeople. They are a very old, extremely expensive brand that I'm sure has stayed open late to cater to other celebrities with a have a fraction of Oprah's money. I'm sure they are trained to deal with a demanding clientele and used to going above and beyond.

Blackberry 487 pts

Maxine Fairpoint about the tourist vs resident distinction. I lived in France for a while, but didn't really take to Paris, much preferred southern France. I got a lot of compliments on my look and really did not encounter discrimination.....then I was a student at the time, so I don't know what the business/employment scene looks like with regard to discrimination.

But there does seem (at least to me)to be distinction between French and black French. I'm not sure who assimilation goes especially for 2nd or 3rd generation children whose families are more established in France.

Jay from Philly 665 pts

Every 90 days the trades roll out some blather about "THIS SEASON'S COLLECTION PROMISES TO BE SEXY AND FUN!" Then a bunch of South American and Eastern European mannequins with the bodies of 14-year old boys shuffle down the catwalk modelling the same things from 3 years ago. Then 90 days after that the same stuff is being ripped off by the Kardashian Collection at Sears. Find out what you look good in, and stick with that. Screw couture.

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Seenyc 164 pts

Pearl

II believe it was Life Size.

VintageNarcissa 925 pts

Hi guys, this is my article! I'm thoroughly enjoying the discussion! ^.^

Christelyn 3210 pts moderator

VintageNarcissa Great job, chica! I just love how we are all contributing, learning and sharing with each other. Family hug!

Law Wanxi 3328 pts

VintageNarcissa

And we're enjoying you!

Patricia Kayden 543 pts

Stereotyping Black folks has been a national pasttime for hundreds of years, so Ms. Dolivo's opinion of African American fashion does not surprise or shock me.

I just cannot be overly worried about this. There will always be naysayers. Perhaps Ms. Dolivo should be sent a copy of Essence Magazine or some other periodical which showcases well dressed Blacks. Or maybe she needs to attend a gala event run by and for African Americans.

Whatever problems Black Americans have are not fashion based. LOL. Just silly.

Mark_H 233 pts

I'm going to piss off a lot of people with this comment, but I feel like I need to share it. Feel free to disagree, but please let's have a discussion, rather than an argument....

Fiona, your comment caught my eye - "if a black person were to walk into a couture boutique in France, the shop owners, workers and anyone else in the store would most likely be wondering … why is this black person even in here and what are they going to steal?"

This might be your experience, and it might be the experience of every single person you know, but it's just as racially stereotypical as the one you're commenting about. Having spent 10+ years living and traveling through Western Europe (and dozens of other countries in Central and South America, South-East Asia, etc) I can say from experience that the racial prejudices/assumptions you see here in the US are not shared or echoed through most Western European countries.

In France, the person you described would not be eyed because they were black, but based on what they were wearing, how they acted, and the way they spoke to the staff (behavior based profiling). If they look and act like money, they would be treated appropriately (for the couture boutique you describe) irregardless of race.

The sad situation is minorities in the US would, in many locations, be treated as you described. When will we catch-up with the rest of the world?

Lili2009 1216 pts

Mark_H Oprah does have a story about not being buzzed into a jewelry place in Paris maybe 10 years or so ago. They apologized of course. Oprah, without her bling, looks pretty ordinary. I suppose if she had full make-up and her camera crew, she would've been buzzed in.

Islandgirl 406 pts

Lili2009Mark_H Having studied and lived in Western Europe for a few years it really can be a mixed bag in the way that people get treated by store clerks. I personally had no issues with the store clerks as I was always been treated well and never been followed around the store.

The Oprah situation happened at a Hermes store where one of the sales girls treated her disrespectfully. When the owners of Hermes found out about it when Oprah made a big stink in the media they tried to apologise. The sales girl claimed that she thought that Oprah was acting shifty and could not have possibly afforded to purchase Hermes products and if she had realised who she was she would acted differently.Oprah refused to accept the apology from the Hermes owners and since that day has never patronised Hermes and gave away everything Hermes that she owned.

Brenda55 4388 pts moderator

Lili2009Mark_H Oprah showed up at the store as it closed. the employees were inside straightening up. They did not extendt their hours for her. I can relate to the employees, they wanted to go home after putting in a full day. I'd have left her behind outside on the side walk also.

Islandgirl 406 pts

Brenda55 I didn't know about that bit in the Oprah saga. It makes more sense now.

Jazmine 178 pts

Brenda55Lili2009Mark_H

Exactly, Brenda!

What? Oprah couldn't call ahead?

Oh, the problems of the very rich...if only...

Mark_H 233 pts

Lili2009 A couple weekends ago I was bored and stopped in at my local Chevy/Cadillac dealer to see the new 2012 models. This is a dealership where I've bought 3 cars over the past ten years, I know the owner and his son well (we go hunting together every fall). However, on that blustery Saturday I showed up wearing old worn jeans, a tattered flannel shirt and a RedSox cap.

No wonder when I approached a (new) salesman to discuss the new Escalade he instead turned me to a Chevy Tahoe. When I insisted I wanted to see an Escalade he politely, but firmly "suggested" I might be more "comfortable" in a Tahoe, especially with how much more affordable and practical they were than compared with the Escalade.

I don't blame the guy for how I was treated (although it is horrible sales practice) as I was dressed like I didn't have two dimes to rub together. When I ran into his boss at a local diner I shared the story with a laugh - he wasn't amused. Offered to fire the salesman and sell me the Escalade at cost. He was offended that his salesman could treat his friend that poorly; strange that he would think his new salesman would know me on sight when I had never been introduced and didn't pull the "I know the boss, show me the car" card.

I don't have a pithy closing line that sums this up in a neat little bow (wish I did). Just saying it can happen to anyone, even Oprah. If you don't look like you belong (or show up at closing) don't expect the red carpet treatment.

PS - I bought the Tahoe Denali... it really was more practical than the Escalade.

Brenda55 4388 pts moderator

Mark_HLili2009 Details,details. Color, fit and finish please.

VintageNarcissa 925 pts

Mark_H I'm not pissed off. I totally get where you're coming from. The ending comment was intended to me more sarcastic than anything else. And I was hesitating to include it while writing because I knew some people would feel that way. I am fully aware that there are non-prejudice people all over the world and a lot of aspects of American culture may become lost in translation in foreign nations. But that does mean that prejudice does not exist in places outside of the United States, case in point. I personally have not yet had the opportunity to travel, but I do indulge in other's travels, especially about black people traveling, from sites like BWW and many others. A number of black travelers have talked about the prejudice and racism they have experienced while traveling. Women have talked about being mistaken for hookers because they are black. People have talked about rude treatment and even being refused service. And these are not people who would exhume any air that they deserve to be profiled due to their dress or behavior. So it's not as if it doesn't happen. Just as you said, it may not have been your experience, but that does not discredit the experience of others who know it. Just because American racism is not mirrored in foreign countries does not mean that other countries do not have their own brand of racism.

Brice Cameron 443 pts

I met my wife when I lived in Germany. She is from Trinidad and Tobago and was previously married to a German. I don't know as much about France, but I can tell you that racism definitely exists in Germany, altough it is usually subtle. But I have also heard a few stories from black folks living in Gemany of incidents which were not at all subtle.

VintageNarcissa 925 pts

Brice Cameron Racism definitely is not solely an American thing. In several European countries: your Spains, Italies and Frances, people will boo black football (soccer) players at games. The other day I read an article that was posted in the comments of a different BBW post, about a university in South Africa where white Afrikaner students video taped black workers at the school kneeling on the floor and being forced to eat food that they (the students) had urinated in, while they commented "This is what we think about integration." Most North African countries don't even consider themselves a part of Africa but rather a part of the Middle East. Racism is apparent all over the world. There are aspects of many European cultures that may not be easily understood by Americans and are thus translated as racist when they're not, such as the in the Netherlands, where they celebrate Christmas by dressing in black face to represent, Zwarte Piet, the Moor companion of St. Nicholas. But other than examples such as that, people know exactly what they are doing when they say what they say and do what they do. I feel that it is still very much important and relevant for us to be aware of such truths so that we don't venture out into the world and become disillusioned that we thought things would be different outside of the United States. I also feel it's one thing for private citizens to have whatever feelings they will have, whether its wrong or not. It is within the right of a private owner to refuse service to any patron for any reason, even if the intent is racist. However, public figures have a responsibility to realize and acknowledge that there is a world beyond their own experience. For me, the most striking part of Elle's editorial is, as I mentioned, that it was seemly directed toward African Americans and completely disregarded the fact that there are black people in France. I honestly found that the most offensive. It would have been a totally different issue if it was something like, black Americans can learn a thing or two about fashion from the black French ... But to make no differentiation between cultures speaks volumes about how little of an opinion the woman has about blacks as a whole.

Brice Cameron 443 pts

My wife's daughter was born in Trinidad and Tobago and moved to Germany at 14 to join my wife and her then husband. Having grown up in TnT watching media from the U.S., she had a positive view of white people. She really became disillusioned from dealing with my wifes ex-inlaws and other racist people in Germany. She is now back in Tobago going to college. Living with the racism in a majority white country was too much for her, but she is not a very self confident person. My wife is exactly the opposite. She has no problem standing up for herself if she is being wronged. She loved Germany despite any racism she had to deal with and is coming around to liking the U.S.

Brice Cameron 443 pts

Brice Cameron

I guess my stepdaughter was 10 when she moved to Germany.

Maxine 207 pts

Ignorance heaped upon ignorance. Apparently the French writer from Elle thinks the black race is made up of 15 year-old boys. Has she ever even set foot in America? One only needs to walk into any black church in the country--from blighted urban area to country backwoods--to see the value that black folks put on dressing up. She mentions ethnic twists like batik turbans, as if we just got off the boat yesterday. What's laughable is that French white women are no more fashionable than anyone else. I spent a few days in Paris, stayed in the hip part of town and rode the metro everywhere. You'd think you were in New York City. Lots of ethnic minorities, lots of women dressed practically and comfortably for getting around a city that demands lots of walking and air conditioning isn't standard. Any superiority the French had on image and style died a long time ago with Coco Chanel.

Avoc42883 190 pts

man. I don't even know where to start with this one. Full Disclosure: I work in the fashion industry. I've also worked with a lot of French publications and naturally French people. The thing that floors me about all of this is that I've noticed, some Europeans as well as some South Americans (Brazilians in particular, its a big secondary market) love to talk about Black people as if there aren't any in their own country. As if they've never interacted with one before. As if they've never seen one. The exhaustive focus on Michelle Obama, Rihanna, Beyonce as if there aren't hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands of people of African descent right under their noses, in their country in their city. This proves to me just how deep the racism really truly is.

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blackpanthershay 284 pts

Pearl Pearl what I told you about cussing...sighs

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blackpanthershay 284 pts

Pearl http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq4ebvNl5l1qht847.gif

VintageNarcissa 925 pts

blackpanthershayPearl I'm dying that you bust out the tumblr gif, lol!

blackpanthershay 284 pts

VintageNarcissaPearl Vintage I just found out about gifs and now I can't stop lol

VintageNarcissa 925 pts

blackpanthershayPearl I've got a folder in my bookmarks filled with hundreds of gifs. It's a sickness really, lol!

blackpanthershay 284 pts

VintageNarcissaPearl darling do tell!!!

Jamila 2824 pts

They KILL me with the whole "black people aren't fashionable" line. The designers whose work gets shown during fashion week in New York have been ripping off street fashions for YEARS, marking that stuff up a couple hundred dollars and calling it "high fashion". When a chick on the streets was wearing 'timb's, it wasn't fashionable; next thing you know, somebody on 5th Avenue puts a hell on it and starts selling it for $500 and now it's fashion.

Helen Jennings, fashion Editor of Arise Magazine just released a book on the different fashion lines/brands/designers across Africa. Lagos, Nigeria is doing fashion weeks as big as NYC, but these writers think black men and women just got fashionable YESTERDAY!!! Have they been living under rocks?

Avoc42883 190 pts

Jamila yep. This is what I found so deeply amusing when Kanye tried to come out with a line. He was doing his best imitation of European fashion designers that rip him and people who dress like him off. It was a copy of a copy at its worst. And thats part of the reason why it fell flat and was completely panned critically.

Jamila 2824 pts

Oops, I mean't to say "heel" not "hell".

Avoc42883 190 pts

Jamila and of course the hottest trend for the spring 2012 season? AFRICAN PRINTS....

Joyce345 910 pts

Avoc42883Jamila

How are African prints a hot trend? I've worn them all my life. I'm fashionable. I just don't follow any fashion trends. I come up with my own.

VintageNarcissa 925 pts

Jamila Its kills me is when I see designers using African prints and calling "exciting new fashion" This fashion has been around for hundreds, if not thousands of years, but it's now so vogue, now that the fashion industry recognize it.

These Alexa Chungs can roll out of bed and pick sometime off of the floor (saw her say it in an interview) and be a fashion icon ....

Lili2009 1216 pts

A bit off topic: The First Lady just did 25 push ups on Ellen. I love this woman I just want to weep! I will, by Groundhog day 2013, do 25 pushups!

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Lili2009 1216 pts

Pearl Right?! I knew she was fit but my goodness. I know she's trying to get young people fit but damn lady, you need to speak to black women now. Get moving! 25 push-ups in 2012!!

blackpanthershay 284 pts

PearlLili2009 I can do 5 but I do them the wrong way...does that count? lol

Lili2009 1216 pts

blackpanthershayPearl Do you the granny style with your knees on the ground? Cheating!

blackpanthershay 284 pts

PearlLili2009 You don't get tired..I am tired at 2

blackpanthershay 284 pts

PearlLili2009 I start to get anxious at the word push up.......

Karla 2845 pts

Pearl If you can do the cheater push ups, you can do the regular ones. Just add one a day.

Lili2009 1216 pts

PearlKarla Well, watching Michelle O. today made my pregnant behind feel really out of shape. SO, her picture is going up right next to the TV so when I feel like sitting on the couch to watch it, I'll look at Michelle and shame myself into exercising!

blackpanthershay 284 pts

Lili2009PearlKarla Awww congrats!!!

Lili2009 1216 pts

blackpanthershayPearlKarla Thanks! xo Michelle is my official fashion/fitness icon now! Bikinibod/Obamabod 2012!!!!

Karla 2845 pts

Lili2009 Okay, now it doesn't count when you're pregnant. Do you think Michelle was doing push-ups when she was pregnant? Congratulations, BTW!

NATruthstudent 1100 pts

PearlblackpanthershayLili2009

Crunches are better than sit-ups, Pearl. Less strain on the lower back. But you're young, so you probably don't need to worry about that yet.

YoFabulous 126 pts

Lili2009 When I was in the Marine Corps, we were taught to do the "granny style" push ups because they were supposed to be less stressful for the female anatomy. If you do them correctly, it's definitely not cheating!