Examining the Trend: The REAL Reasons Why Black Women and White Men Are Not Hooking Up

Examining the Trend: The REAL Reasons Why Black Women and White Men Are Not Hooking Up

Study Says White men (still) view black women through the lens of the Mammy, the Jezebel, and the Welfare Queen.

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The black woman/white male intermarriage rate is much lower than the comparable rate of black male/white female intermarriage. In study after study, black women are excluded as mates at higher percentages than other groups of women. This, I’m sure you already know. “Deep Frames, White Men’s Discourse, and Black Female Bodies (2009)” a dissertation written by Brittany Chevon Slatton (a BLACK woman!!–before anyone starts screaming “They just hate us, and THAT’s why they did this study!”) dissects the reasons why black women continue to be the least preferred romantic partner of white men.

To reach her conclusions in “Deep Frames” Ms. Slatton completed a qualitative study in which 134 white men of various ages were interviewed and questioned about their romantic perceptions of black women. This study of black female exclusion as romantic partners uses the theoretical concept of “deep frame,” which is the “conceptual infrastructure of the mind.” The conceptual infrastructure of the mind can be thought of as the ideologies, ideas, and mental frameworks that each of us uses to understand and categorize our reality. If perception is reality, then the deep frame is the lens through which we perceive and make sense of that reality. Therefore,the deep frame of white males was examined in order to reach conclusions about why white men were excluding black women as romantic partners.

At 200-plus pages “Deep Frames…” has plenty of meat on its bones for you bite into (and if you are interested in the subject matter on a near-academic level then you should definitely read the piece in its entirety) but, in the interest of brevity, here’s the summarized version:

White men view black women through the lens of the Mammy, the Jezebel, and the Welfare Queen

This is disappointing news; it is news that further demonstrates that the negative portrayal–and the failure to be portrayed at all can be considered a part of being negatively portrayed–has effected not just black people, but really all people.

The result of the study show:

….that many white male respondents, despite most having very limited or no personal interactions with black women, viewed black women through the one-dimensional lens of the raced, gendered, and classed deep frame. Many respondents perceived black women as unattractive unless capable of a white normative standard, as possessing a negative “black” culture, and as possessing negative and “unfeminine” attributes that make them complicit in their own rejection. (“Deep Frames, White Men’s Discourse, and Black Female Bodies (2009)”

Where did did negative opinion of black women come from?

Elite white men have been instrumental in the construction and perpetuation of a historical and contemporary ideology that posits black female bodies as the antithesis of white female hegemonic beauty. As white male opinion goes, so has gone the nation (and the world)–thus, white male opinion and perception is the standard bearer for not just white men, but for black men and other men of color. Subsequently, because white men do not rank black women as preferred romantic partners, black men and other non-white men follow their lead.

Considering that many of the men in the study had little interaction with black women, it should be obvious that these negative perceptions of black women have been passed down as a sort of received-knowledge by white men. The negative historical portrayals of black women–particularly about their sexuality–are still the primary stereotypes which stick to black women today.

Some white men in the study even stated that black women were unwanted because even men of their own race (i.e. black men) didn’t want them.

Several outmoded theories which were used to explain interracial couplings have been debunked…

Evidence which support the caste and social exchange theory (two different theories, but I’m intermingling them here due to their similarity) of interracial partnering has been inconclusive. The theory itself is deemed dated by contemporary sociologists. Caste and exchange theory posits that people form interracial relationships in part as a way of exchanging class and economic status with their partners in such as a way as to elevate both parties to the relationship. In other words, black men who have managed to raise their economic status will partner with lower socioeconomic (SES) status white women. The white women is trading her whiteness–a higher social caste than black–for her black male partner’s higher economic status; the black male is doing the reverse–he is using his higher wealth to bargain for a romantic partner who will more closely adhere to the hegemonic beauty standard. New evidence either debunks this theory or provides weak evidence for its support. The most recent research indicates that couples who partner interracially are doing so not in an attempt to reach a greater SES status, but instead on the basis of genuine affection and compatibility with their partner–who just happens to be of a different race and/or ethnicity.

The lack of support for caste and exchange theories can be viewed as providing further support for the idea that the dominant reason holding white men and black women from coupling are not caste and economic issues, but rather the issue is one of the dominant racist ideologies being perpetuated about black women–said ideologies are widely accepted as true and cause white men to avoid relationships with black women.

“Systemic racism continues fervently today, because it is “well-institutionalized” and has been maintained through the “collective actions” of whites. This system of oppression has changed over time. For example, the end of legal segregation in the 1960s, however, the changes have been surface level and have not penetrated the core of a foundation build on racial discrimination, and thus many of the same racist institutions are left in place. Additionally, those who typically make the changes to the system are the white elite who seek, whether conscious or unconscious, to maintain their privileges, benefits, and authority, changing the scope of society, such as signing civil rights legislations, when it fits their interests (Feagin 2006).(Slatton 2009)”

File this under “Surprising…But Not Really”

Spouting cliches from the black is beautiful movement and/or dating black women does not mean a person doesn’t harbor racist viewpoints.

A study was done which noted that those black people who grew up during the black is beautiful movement of the 1960′s are just as likely to be colorist (i.e., to think that lighter-skin is more attractive than darker skin; that white normative features are more attractive than black features) as those who did grow up during that period of time. In other words, just because someone came of age during the golden age of black empowerment, wore an afro, and had a pick with a balled-up fist at the end does not mean that person has rejected whiteness as the normative beauty standard.

Most white male respondents held the that there were “two classes of black women”–one attractive and one not. Even those white men who had had past relationships with black women or were currently in relationships with black women often held strong “racialized, gendered, and at times classed views of black women, akin the views of white men who have never dated black women, yet they may not as explicitly express those views(Slatton).”

These white male respondents, while predominantly holding strongly derogatory views of black women, simultaneously engaged in sexual fantasy, desire, and sexual projection of black women. Many of these respondents may not have even realized that their penchant for “big lips,” their desire for “big butts” for intensified anal sex, and their want for “darker skin” as indication of a heightened “sexual appetite” are a reification of gendered and raced oppression that maintains white domination (hooks 1992) and control over black female sexual body parts in a “commodity culture.”

The type of black women most likely to be deemed attractive by white men were represented by Beyonce and Alicia Keys, both multiethnic beauties.

There were white men who expressed a preference for darker skin and non-multiethnic beauty types, though. These men just were not in the majority of those who were actually open to dating black women.

Stereotypes about black women are being reinforced in the minds of white men by, you guessed it: rap music.

Important here, however, is that most of the music industries behind the promotion and production of hip hop music are white controlled. Additionally, young white male consumers have become “the most lucrative and preferred market,” (Watkins 2006) as they are the largest segment of the purchasing audience of hip hop music. With this comes a formula to keep up sells and to promote the music that will be purchased by the masses, whites, predominantly young white males, as “white consumers drive the consumption and production of rap music” (Watkins 2006).

So you would think that one way to raise the status of black women in public would be put more positive portrayals of black women on television, but this might actually reinforce existing racialized perceptions of black women, particularly if said black women are only of the “right” class (i.e., mixed raced/biracial/multiethnic black women). Positive portrayals of black women in the media are not unlikely to be totally rejected–because they do not fit within the “deep frame” that already exists in the minds of viewers who see black women in racist ways.

Foreign-born black women are more likely to be married interracially than American-born black women.

Perhaps foreign-born black women don’t have as many hang-ups around interracial dating. Or maybe foreign-born black women are more likely to emigrate here with their foreign-born non-black husband. Or maybe a not-insignificant proportion are actually mixed-race/biracial/multiethnic black women–as opposed to dark-skinned black women. Whatever the case may be the fact is that foreign-born black women are a minority of black women, yet they make up the majority of those married interracially.

So, what does this all mean?

It means that the negative historical and contemporary portrayals of black women are hampering their chances at marrying interracially. Changing the way black women are seen in the eyes of white men and the way that black women are represented to all men would go a long ways towards changing how black are viewed as potential relationship partners.

Dr. Brittany Slatton is the author of “Deep Frames, White Men’s Discourse, and Black Female Bodies.” She received her Bachelor of Arts from Northern Illinois University, her M.A. from Virginia State University, and her Ph.D. from Texas A&M University, where “Deep Frames, White Men’s Discourse, and Black Female Bodies” was presented as her graduating dissertation. Ms. Slatton’s research and teaching interests are Sex/Gender issues and Inequality.
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Jamila Akil is a Senior Editor at Beyond Black and White and a current student in an MBA program. Follow her on Twitter @jamilaakil

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MichaelD2013 12 pts

I've been dating I/R since my early 20's. Before the Media and Social Outlets opened the doors for a lot of African American women. That being the case most of the ladies I've dated were Foreign Nationals from Africa. Most of the I/R couples I know that lead to marriage was a White American Male and an African Foreign National women who met in college. For me it wasn't that they were any more attractive (though some are breath takingly beautiful) it was more common interest's, talking points, acceptance and a lot less drama involved. Their families were more accepting of me and a lot less sabotage to the relationship by friends or family members. I've taken a lot of HEAT from African American women for this slight preference but my reasoning to me was sound enough to dismiss it. Also in most cases I didn't have to deal with "Single Mother" Baby Momma Drama and a former boyfriend who loved to stir up issues left and right. I'm sure I'll catch some heat for posting this but it's a valid point just the same and relevant to the article.

Brenda55 20963 pts moderator

 MichaelD2013 Welcome to the blog.  No heat will come from me, in fact I have seen the same trend that you have and thus agree with what you have said. White males who do date and marry black women do tend to choose black women from Africa, the Caribbean or first or second generation women of those two groups. 

 

For a lot of reasons American black women are late to the party and far too many do come with children in tow. That is changing however.  Part of the reason this site exists is to change what you have experienced. 

MichaelD2013 12 pts

 Brenda55

 My thanks for the welcome. I've been dating I/R since the 80's so I've been there and back .. Smiles. I've dated African ladies almost exclusively for quite some time. Your quite right though in regards to attitudes changing. More African American women in the work place with similar interest's these days. More mixed Suburb communities with women who had similar life experiences and thus more commonalities.

Brenda55 20963 pts moderator

 MichaelD2013 Glad you decided to join us here.  I would assume that you have lurked the blog so you may know the lay of the land here.  I am always glad to see more and more men participate in the site.

 

I know that a lot of men lurk this blog because they are in relationships with black women and come to learn more.  However it goes bot ways and we black women can learn a lot from you too.  I do hope that you will participate in our communities when you feel the desire to. We have a lot of great guys on the site.  Some currently in relationships and some looking whose interests and points of view run the gambit. 

 

Been dating IRR since the 80's.  Not so easy back in the day I must say. 

MichaelD2013 12 pts

 Brenda55

 No it wasn't Lol. I've always been of the frame of mind that Society at large had no hand in paying my bills and even less say in who I choose to fall in love with or find attractive .. Smiles. I've always been of a "Progressive" and "Open Minded" Frame of Mind Lol. I had my fill of the White Middle Class "Princesses" very early on in life Lol.

Brenda55 20963 pts moderator

 MichaelD2013 That has been my husband's experence also. While I am an African American I was born and raised into a family where dating and marrying across the race lines was very comon.  I lived in diverce communities  so dating out side of my race was no big deal. I saw no advantage to limiting myself to men of my own race so dating out was an option for me. 

Brenda55 20963 pts moderator

 MichaelD2013 

Oh BTW.  Most of the guys hang out here:

http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/fresh-topic-thread-announcement/?hubRefSrc=email#lf_comment=79479425

 

Not the easiest thread to find. 

DWB 8823 pts

 Brenda55  MichaelD2013 Come on over and hang out Michael!!!!!

BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

Look at the psychology behind Sanrio character, Hello Kitty. This symbol stands for pure and superior white womb and vagina. "Kitty" is white and good because white or non-black wombs are good. Black women and black wombs are not good because they create more black people and racists hate us. Hello Kitty is loved all over the world, but Hello Black womb would never make it, she'll be raped and dumped in the trash in a heartbeat. White wombs and non-black wombs are loved, black women are hated and abused, its sad.

zipporah 1913 pts

Hey! dont let the 'okey dokes' get you down. One of the reasons they are making BW look bad is because they KNOW the marriages between BW/WM last the longest, and men are becoming 'slim pickins' today.  Many werent raised with their dads, who would have taught them how to do 'guy things' like work on cars, houses, etc. and are also going to higher learning. Besides Hello Kitty is cool! and blacks with white animals makes us 'stand out' LOL

BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

I would like to add, although I may get called racist and anti-semite for doing so, we cannot change how "the media" creates DELIBERATE negative images of black women, because the white jewish men and women don't want to change it. I see people constantly telling the truth about how hateful and racist some white people are but noone says anything about the jews who control and create the media and perpetuate the stereotypes in the media.

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

BrokenHeartNSoul13 That is correct, but people often forget the “feminist” element at play as well. The same WW feminists who want everyone to know how horrible and sexist WM are will be the first to discriminate against a BW. I speak from experience. How many of you knew that most of the TV networks that matter are helmed by WW? Anne Sweeney at Disney/Disney Media /ABC networks, Bonnie Hammer at NBC, Nina Tassler at CBS, and Dana Walden at 20th Century Fox. I could go on.

 

Most of the derogatory images of BW are being created by and for those networks. So, as far as I'm concerned, the buck stops with those women. I don't know if any of those women are Jewish or feminists or both or neither – don't care, but they are culpable in the racist-misogynist media strategy that continues to be leveled against BW. Hell, they may have devised it. In any case, if those particular WW wanted things to change, things would change. Quickly.

 

And we're aren't suppose to speak out about the racist words and behavior of WW, lest we be accused of jealousy. That's how the oppression of BW works in this country. If you speak out against the racist behavior of non-Black women (especially WW) you are simply jealousy. If you speak out against the racio-misogynist behavior of Black men, you are a "traitor"/"sell-out"/"hate all BM". It's only alright for BW to speak out against WM, because WW and BM thoroughly approve of this behavior, because it helps them politically and keeps BW and WM apart socially and romantically.

BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

 AndreaLThorsen

 Hi Andrea thanks for replying! Yes, I don't let the white jewish women off the hook or the feminist white women calling the shots behind the racist images period!! And 20th century fox is jewish media dynasty! It was funded by a Rothschild family member long ago!! Sorry, its the truth, mainly white jewish men and women are to blame for the DELIBERATE nasty stereotypes against blacks in the media, they control and run the media!.

AndreaLThorsen 449 pts

 BrokenHeartNSoul13 Someone once told me that the easiest way to escape bullying is to join the bullies in bullying someone else. I think that's as good an explanation of what you've describe as any. But you'll notice that there are far fewer BM stereotype roles on TV and in movies than BW stereotype roles. I suspect that this because BM (in general) have proven themselves to be ready and willing to join in with all the rest of the racists/ misogynist to malign BW.

BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

 AndreaLThorsen  I know it Andrea!! Black men do bully and abuse bw along with other racists! Here is my take on this, Black women birth black babies, so the true goal for racists, is to destroy black women because we give birth to people who will be and look black! If I hate you and want you dead, just like racists do, i will do everything in my power to attack you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, if not physically. The best way to get rid of you though, is to make sure you don't give birth because i don't want you alive if i'm a racist. So we are attacked because our wombs are black and we birth black babies. They don't care about bm, because they are just the "big dicks." As long as bw are destroyed isolated from love, romance, marriage and birth, the less black babies will be born. 

 
zipporah 1913 pts

Jewish men LOVE US and their women kNOW IT..lol why do you think I use zipporah as my 'handle'

zaianewms 35 pts

Aaaaannndddd, this is why I'm going to live in Europe. I can not deal with the self destructive American mentality and the need to have television define one's love interests before they do. #aintnobodygottimeforthat!

Hallyu Love 369 pts

 zaianewms

Haha at aintnobodygottimeforthat. My sister showed me that vid the other day and had everybody rollin'. Too funny. Lol! 

MichaelD2013 12 pts

 zaianewms

 Quote: I can not deal with the self destructive American mentality and the need to have television define one's love interests before they do. ((Zaianewms)) - I could not have said it better myself Lol .. Seriously ..

oneofthegirls 19 pts

"It means that the negative historical and contemporary portrayals of black women are hampering their chances at marrying interracially."

 

Let's cut to the chase. There is less attraction and less they have in common culturally. When I read the title, I assumed it would be something we all have not already heard. I was wrong.

 

Statuesque 2063 pts

This study means nothing to me. I literally yawned at some of the comments. Objectifying women and finding them sexually exciting is the standard male setting. It actually makes everything else possible because it gets their attention. What an individual woman does to convert male sexual interest into something more can't be predicted by a study. Have you ever heard men tall about why Asian women, redheads or blondes are hot? Why they love cheerleaders, MILFs or girls with glasses? They'd rightly need to don pig snouts from the way they articulate their rationale for wanting to "hit that." Openly discussing the sexual appeal of Black women is actually a sign that being attracted to them is becoming normalized. Making a distinction between "hot" and "not" Black women means they have thought about it enough to recognize that the stereotype, however crude and ugly, doesn't apply to ALL Black women. Chances are that when these "exceptional" Black women are encountered, many more than we'd suspect will be open to dating, even though they still can outline a Mammy/Jezebel/Sapphire type as undesirable. YoungTeach nailed it when he said that White folks (stereotypically) like convention and playing it safe. The more guys like this see the self-actualized among us doing as we please and living happy, successful lives together, the more comfortable they will start to feel about going after a "hot" Black woman. At that point, it will be up to her to decide whether he cuts the mustard.

BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

"These white male respondents, while predominantly holding strongly derogatory views of black women, simultaneously engaged in sexual fantasy, desire, and sexual projection of black women. Many of these respondents may not have even realized that their penchant for “big lips,” their desire for “big butts” for intensified anal sex, and their want for “darker skin” as indication of a heightened “sexual appetite” are a reification of gendered and raced oppression that maintains white domination (hooks 1992) and control over black female sexual body parts in a “commodity culture.”                                                                                                                                                                         

 

I would like to know why racists and men that hate black women sexualize their hatred? I notice the slavemasters and present day haters always sexualizing their hate for black women.

NYMan 245 pts

 BrokenHeartNSoul13 A twisted paradox, isn't it?

BrokenHeartNSoul13 122 pts

 NYMan  Yes NYMan, this is very strange, I would like to know why they always do that? Is it because its a vulnerable place to attack someone? Go ahead and hate someone, but why then do you sexualize the hate you have for them and attack their genitalia? Its strange.

 
zipporah 1913 pts

@BrokenHeartNSoul13 ANAL SEX?! I would HATE any man who would even GET to think they could do that to me. Is THAT why big butts are gettin popular today? it used to be just breasts because they are closer to the eyes, and humans seem to be the only mammal who could have sex face to face; unlike other mammals--sorry to go 'off the subject'

heyimPearlilikefries 2119 pts

And this is an American study with American white men participating?

ironcowboy 348 pts

This was a very interesting article!  Deep frames, perceived vs. actual reality, and the human mind are powerful stuff.

 

I really wish we (our society) could break out of the falsely imposed reality of black women and white men not being suitable for each other (on many levels).  We are all human!  How to change perceived reality is going to be found in contemporary media.

 

It would be really fun to create a reality TV show somehow based around the idea of the bachelor, or bachelorette, survivor island, and that around the world race show, where black women and white men were forced to be in close contact with each other for a long time and in different settings, where they had to form partnerships to achieve various goals.  I would watch that!

DU2 2439 pts

I Agree with @ niecy I would not pay too close attention  to these studies  many times surpasses all that mess. I remember reading a story about a former Klansman who fell in love with a black woman people have to just have the guts to act on what they know is right for them.. I always knew from a teen that my future husband would be white. One of my pageant sisters is married to a white guy and she said  her husband knew he would marry a black woman . He is a cop and if you look at him he looks like a good old boy but is just as nice!

MySmile 4277 pts

 DUsher "He is a cop and if you look at him he looks like a good old boy but is just as nice!"

 

I often find myself swooning over country boys these days. It reminds me of my childhood and the times I lived in Florida (Tallahassee...the southern part, not the tropical part, lol!) and Alabama...the little boys I played with in the neighborhood and liked at school were just as country as can be! We used to going outside barefoot, go out in the woods, etc... one even wore cowboy boots! lol.and I went to an event where a cop was speaking about safety, he was an older wm but he was just so.. *sigh* idk...he was charming, charismatic...and country!!! hehe. My ex boyfriend used to live way out in the boondocks so we took these long drives through the country and I loved it!! Also, a lot of the ones who seem like "good old boys" are what we would call "real men"! They seem very sure of themselves and what they like. I guess that's what I like about them. I am also starting to discover a lot of them like bw too!! I would date a northern wm just as quickly though! I like 'em all. I live in North Carolina and there is a good mix of southern wm and wm from up north here (there are a lot of people from up north in general here)

KingsDaughter 4976 pts

 MySmile  DUsher I like the country accent!

Statuesque 2063 pts

@MySmile @DUsher I am now partial to country boys too. Mine is from out west but very similar culturally. I wasn't checking for them and that was a mistake I will never make again! Ladies get yourselves out to the West/South and snag one of them country boys! :) They are a good as gold.

youngteach 237 pts

Without having read the actual study, I'd like to say that, just as the correlations made by the Caste Theory and the Social Exchange Theory have been proven false, these correlations are indeed skewed.  My reasoning is as follows.  I hope this doesn't get too long.

 

The white men that were in the study can be presumed to be of differing backgrounds.  There are many factors there, including socio-economic class, but what I am concerned with is their level of self-actualization.  I mean to say, how much they're actually thinking their own thoughts.  I would think that, if researched, the strongest correlation to be found would be  proportional relationship between the particular white male subject's self-actualization (thinking their own thoughts, speaking as they would speak and not how they are expected to talk or by using someone else's thoughts and actions as their own personal standard for behavior - instead of their own) and their level of openness to interracial dating.  That is to say, I would put a large amount of money on the hypothesis that: If a man is highly self-actualized, he would be highly open to interracial dating.  The lower his self-actualization, the lower his propensity to seek out a legitimate love-based relationship with a black woman, regardless of how her beauty measures up to the colorist and societally-promoted standard of black women.  Again, having to make other correlations here is necessary to prove my hypothesis.  I'll use rap as a variable here.

 

Let's say between two white males, we'll call them Subject A and Subject B, Subject A listens to rap and tries to emulate the ideals therein, and Subject B believes rap is a dangerous tool of manipulation and degradation.  My (second) hypothesis is that Subject A would be more likely to state an attraction to black women but that attraction would be based on the degradation and manipulation that is promoted in rap songs.  Subject B would be more likely to be interested in a legitimate relationship with a black woman, and more likely to find her beautiful and have respect for her.  The two factors here are:

 

1) The fact that Subject A is simply a moronic lemming, doing and saying what he is told to do and say by the racist industry, and Subject B is a self-actualized and objective-thinking individual; and,

2) Subject A listens to rap as a by-product of his moronic follower tendencies and sensibilities, while Subject B, even if he likes the beats and flow of rap, detests it for its vile nature.

 

I could go further, but I need to get this last point out. 

 

My final point is that we white people have an imbalance between our "fight-or-flight" senses.  You've never heard of "White Fight," have you?  You haven't heard of it because we tend to run away from everything, primarily our duty to be self-actualized.  We do whatever we can to be followers of the crowd.  If the crowd says, "rap music is popular and only people who listen to rap music are deemed acceptable," then white people will follow.  We don't want to fight it, because that's just too hard and we're just too privileged and lazy to try to change the status quo.  We're not running away from it, however, because we're running away from something else: ourselves.

 

Many white people see inherent issues with rap music at an early age, but upon realizing that it's what is popular and we would have to fight to avoid the vile mob of popular-culture touting masochists, we give in and assimilate; and thus fulfilling our nature to run rather than fight. 

 

Again, I could say so much more on the subject but I'll use another BB&W post as corroboration in which a commenter posted a link to a story (written by a white guy) that evidences the vast majority of school shootings occur by white, teenaged males, but that white people avoid (read: run away from) this truth.  It's what we do, and frankly I'm tired of it. 

So, my point?  Avoid white people that avoid things.  Actually, just avoid ANYBODY that avoids things.  These people are not self-actualized, and this means that they are not fully developed and have the great potential to always stay undeveloped people.  I see inherent discrepancies in the study but in my mind, they don't matter.  The underlying problem here is that people, white people in particular, to be stupid f***ing lemmings that just follow whatever popular culture trends are out there and sick and tired of watching children act like they're mentally retarded and can't think for themselves.  The problem is that this is not a generational problem.  It's simply the way the world works.

 

All YOU can do is avoid the idiots that you can't change and DEFINITELY don't date them, and all WE can do is try to get young people to see that their thoughts and actions are not truth, if they are based on the lies of a pathologically sadistic and derogatory "popular culture."

 

But, that's just my opinion.

youngteach 237 pts

"People *tend* to be stupid lemmings," and "*I'm* sick and tired."  Sorry, I typed that one fast.

Toni_M 20082 pts moderator

 youngteach "If a man is highly self-actualized, he would be highly open to interracial dating.  The lower his self-actualization, the lower his propensity to seek out a legitimate love-based relationship with a black woman, regardless of how her beauty measures up to the colorist and societally-promoted standard of black women. "

 

Pretty much this.

AJ2011 2310 pts

 youngteach .....and there it is. 

zaianewms 35 pts

 youngteach We don't want to fight it, because that's just too hard and we're just too privileged and lazy to try to change the status quo.  We're not running away from it, however, because we're running away from something else: ourselves." And this is why racism still exist- white men are still running from themselves for whatever reasons and everyone else has followed suit. 

Browncow 1612 pts

Before I read all the comments here I just wanted to make the observation that as the daughter of an African immigrant, I've noticed that many of the BW that I know personally who are married to white men are the daughters of African immigrants with either one or both parents from Africa. I don't know how it is where you guys live, but in my world, I see quite a few African women married to white men and the majority aren't ethnically mixed either. Just saying.

Bellydancer 789 pts

"These white male respondents, while predominantly holding strongly derogatory views of black women, simultaneously engaged in sexual fantasy, desire, and sexual projection of black women. Many of these respondents may not have even realized that their penchant for “big lips,” their desire for “big butts” for intensified anal sex, and their want for “darker skin” as indication of a heightened “sexual appetite” are a reification of gendered and raced oppression that maintains white domination (hooks 1992) and control over black female sexual body parts in a “commodity culture.”

 

Ahem we need a Tracy Renee Jones post up in here about this sexual stuff going on up in here on this(okay I am blabbering I get nervous and scurred when sexy talk comes up on here) LOL

tracyreneejones 4042 pts

 Bellydancer Ah, ha....you caught that part too...

cns 732 pts

I'm a little slow today, lol. So is this study regarding WM whom have never had any experiences with attractive and educated BW? If so, their opinions are moot. I would like to see a study regarding WM males who have dated interracially -the full spectrum. Now that would be interesting?

Leille 164 pts

cns

Exactly! How may the study have been different if it was conducted in other places in Texas, or even in metropolitan areas on the east and west coasts? Middle American  white men, who have had no contact with other ethnic, groups are just curious but can't do it, while white men in metropolitan cultural hubs will date us openly, as long as we "let them in!"

 

Don't be discouraged, yall. All it takes is one! :-)

 

The Working Home Keeper 6977 pts

Interesting, but as others have stated, I don't think this should deter any BW from seeking to date IR.  I'm a BW that has dated WM exclusively and did so with ease (now married to a WM).  That's why I always take these studies with a grain of salt.  Most don't reflect my experiences dating IR. 

uninterracial 987 pts

 The Working Home Keeper Same here. I have never had a problem attracting men in general, although I can understand what she is saying. Having said that, I'm glad I'm married.

The Working Home Keeper 6977 pts

 uninterracial "Having said that, I'm glad I'm married."

 

Me too!  Dating these days seems so complicated!  When I was young and single, I just went out there and dated.  Didn't contemplate studies about how BW are unattractive, undesirable, too masculine, picked lasted, etc, etc, etc.  I didn't know such studies even existed.  Guess ignorance is bliss!

Browncow 1612 pts

 The Working Home Keeper Perhaps you dated WM with ease because you're freaking hot! No really, I'm looking at your photo and you just ooze femininity and grace. Any man who values those attributes would be attracted to you. Just my personal opinion.

 

Seriously though, I completely agree with you in not letting this study deter BW from pursuing relationships with non-BM if that is what they want to do. Once BW get out of their own way, they'll see the floodgates open and wonder why they didn't open themselves up sooner. I also had no problem attracting men. Well men outside of the spiritual community I used to belong to. Long story for another time.

DWB 8823 pts

 Browncow  The Working Home Keeper "Perhaps you dated WM with ease because you're freaking hot! No really..."

 

Yup...when you look that good I suspect you can have your choice of men :-)

The Working Home Keeper 6977 pts

 Browncow DWB You're too kind, my dear! :)

 
Asia 226 pts

This was an interesting read however I'm always skeptical of these studies. I mean where exactly did they find these men? Location is important. I noticed it said men of all ages but how many men of each age bracket? I don't know like I said I find them interesting to read but I'm not about to change up my life over it.

GoneInternational 162 pts

Studies like this are always interesting, but they should never knock you off of your game or alter your course. As always ladies, focus on those who DO like you, as women and as Black women, not the ones who do not!