Why are Some Black People STILL Living Like They’ll Be Sold Off Any Minute?

Why are Some Black People STILL Living Like They’ll Be Sold Off Any Minute?

The cycle of hopelessness is truly staggering.

Author : Christelyn Karazin

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Thanks to the urging of my buddy, Zabeth, I’m reading a book on my insy, weensie, ittie, bittie iPhone screen called “American Dream: Three Women, Ten Kids, and a Nation’s Drive to End Welfare” which chronicles how three African American single mothers fared under Clinton’s landmark welfare-to-work program that was enacted in 1996. I remember that time, because Maxi Me was born in 1998, and as I have mentioned before, I was on welfare for a short time while I was in college and was aware of the changes. I used the system for what it was designed for–to get a leg up when I needed it. I bought PAMPERS (lol if you know why this is funny to me) and used WIC to buy milk and cereal. The small stipend was it $400? went toward utilities, gas and school supplies, but no way in hell was it enough to live any kind of comfortable life–at least not any kind of life I wanted to live. When I graduated, I sent the State of California a nice thank-you note and happily took a 500% raise as an entry-level media relations specialist at a premiere agency in Washington D.C.

But I know I was one of the lucky ones. For many, welfare is a way of life…the only way. Illegitimacy and single-hood are byproducts of this system, and at first blush, one might conclude that the system is the cause of these problems. But according to author, Jason DeParle, who traced the three women who were entrenched in the Wisconsin AFDC system with family ties to Mississippi, these issues predated welfare and root of the cause is…slavery, then after that the often-corrupt share cropper system. No surprises there.

Quick history lesson: Slaves were commodities to be bought and sold. If a slave owner got short on cash, the quickest way to land it was to sell a slave. Marriage wasn’t allowed, but people in love still ‘jumped the broom.’ But the fact remained was no family was safe–any little slip of a familial security could be snatched away and vanish like vapor. Putting myself in the shoes of a strapping black male slave, I could understand how the threat of being sold off at any moment, coupled with the inability to provide and protect a family might lead to a certain necessary detachment.

After slavery these behaviors persisted in some groups, with multiple marriages and divorces, not bothering with marriage and doing the common-law thing, or hitting and quitting altogether. American blacks have always sewn a fragile family fabric and out-of-wedlock births, rampant sexual abuse, domestic violence and drug abuse fraying the edges. With 80 percent of black mothers giving birth to children out of wedlock, these behaviors are still persisting. Black fathers are still acting as if they could be sold off at any moment, and the core of the family for millions consists of a mother, and if she’s lucky, a grandmother or aunty to help out with the babysitting and child rearing.

One can surmise that’s why African American family structure is so much more precarious when compared to Africans who immigrate to American and sometimes look at us like we’ve lost our minds.

Ever heard of the saying, “When you know better, you do better?” Well, we can argue that as a whole, black people should know better. Men and women are still forging these transient, fragile family structures as if the male will be sold off any day. What has replaced the slave master is now prison, drugs and gangs. What’s more, many girls and women lack what the author deems, “self efficacy” By dictionary definition, they lack the ability to produce a desired or intended result. They don’t know there is any other way. They simply believe they have no choice, and this is life…there’s no more to what they experience than what they can see, hear, and feel around them.

These women are still slaves, ignorant of what lies beyond the plantation.

A New Culture Must Be Forged

We need more freed women to speed the word to our most vulnerable. There may not be much hope for the old slaves who are set in their ways, so let’s focus on the young ones, who are agitating for change and can still sense that something is amiss. Let’s get to them before all the light drains from their eyes. It is not acceptable to resign ourselves and say, “Well, this is how it’s always been! There’s no way to change this!” Oh really? There was once a time when women weren’t allowed to vote. Babies deemed unworthy to live were once thrown off of cliffs. It was once acceptable for lead to be laced in the paint of children’s toys. Four hundred years ago you could be burned at the stake over little more than a rumor. This country was once ruled by a King. All these things happened, and were perpetuated for hundreds, and even thousands of years. It took prescient and persistent thinkers to bring about change. And guess what?

Things changed.

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MercedesHasLeftTheBuilding 1061 pts

never mind..looks like somebody already got rid of that troll..

zipporah 1714 pts

@Mercedes824 LOL I just was going to say something to him/her about Christelyn being unfair to BM/WW couples when I saw it, and couldnt find it....he/she must have been young because until 2005, there was no one on BW corner about non black men since BM have been marrying out since the early 70s

Christelyn 8739 pts moderator

 zipporah  Mercedes824 Yeah I saw it and got the Raid. OT: if anyone is around, I'm about to be on LIVE SKYPE on this show, so...BB&W represent!! http://www.livestream.com/coolchange

Christelyn 8739 pts moderator

 zipporah  Mercedes824 BTW I'll be on in about 10 min

MercedesHasLeftTheBuilding 1061 pts

 Christelyn   zipporah 

 

you did a GREAT job...did you have your hair in bantu knots?....really pretty....and the pink nail polish..sweet!. :-)

Christelyn 8739 pts moderator

 Mercedes824  zipporah Not bantu--wish I knew how to do those--it's twist outs tucked into a bun.

DeepWater 2457 pts

 Mercedes824  Dang, it gon'.        Guuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrllllllll, I was just here to "light 'em up", ya heard?    

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

You know when @Christelyn did the first NWNW one of the arguments I heard repeatedly & still hear repeatedly is 'well just cause we had a baby, shouldn't mean we have to get married. Marriage is really serious'. Now that's the truth marriage is serious, real serious but isn't having a baby? I wondered why getting married was so much more serious than having a child to someone you're not married to. Having a child was so serious to me, I didn't have one w/ my ex b/c I always felt no sense of security with him. Listen, you can get rid of a bad marriage but you can't get rid of a child. So that just seems so super important to me, I don't get that logic. I'm not trying to get pregnant b/c my biological clock is ticking, I'm trying to get pregnant w/ my husband b/c I feel secure with him as a husband & father. That was a requirement for me, he had to prove himself to get access to my womb.

ElfeV 7093 pts

 eugeniaberg   Christelyn Yah, I didn't even stay w/ my 1st husband a full 2 years... that would've been a wreck w/ a child.  I was using double-triple birth control partly because I was in school also just not sure about life with him. What was weird was that his parents seemed to be expecting a grandchild... I was like 'umm, No SirreeBob.'

 

With my husband now we started TTC right off, I didn't get to bask in newlywedness/SAHWdom for very long. lolz

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@ElfeVerte @Christelyn You know what I protected my womb from insecurity b/c I was protecting me. I was scared b/c I thought my environment & marriage were insecure at the time & I didn't want a baby in that condition. There was never any pressure to propagate but that would gotten a big 'hell nawl!'

zipporah 1714 pts

@eugeniaberg also, young women dont realize that BABIES GROW UP TO BE TEENS and a real pain if they dont have BOTH PARENTS preferably MARRIED--(i may have said this too much already) LOL

Quell 53 pts

Things definitely need to change. I think it's a shame when some Black women I encounter look at me like I'm crazy, or feel that I think I'm better because I'm 23 years old with no children, and don't intend to have any out of wedlock.

ElfeV 7093 pts

 Quell  I went through that(from like 17+), for some reason a lot with store clerks. I'd always tell them "nooo, I don't have any kids... I'm not married." That would usually be the end of it. If my mom was with me, she'd get offended and might beat me to the punch.

 

After a while I got that sometimes ppl maybe just wanted an open to talk about their own children or grnadchildren (& sometimes they would) so I had to feel it out. I didn't want to be a snooty jerk OTOH I really reeeally hated that assumption. The older women would usually praise me or give some variation on 'I heard that'. lolz

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@ElfeVerte @Quell You oughtta see the looks I get when I say I'm married w/ no kids & don't work. The Chinese female resident that did my doctor appt at MICC yesterday when I told her I was married, trying to get pregnant & didn't work her eyes almost popped out. It was funny, yea chick I'm no hoodrat LOL.

ElfeV 7093 pts

 eugeniaberg   ElfeVerte  Quell 

 

it amazes me how shocked some people get about something actually normal. I told you(in comments for the weird beer waitress blog) about the 1st birth maternity scene w/ the japanese nurse. She totally showed her butt. OTOH I had another asian nurse that time (i think she was filipina) who was super-sweet.  I was lucky for the next ones, the nurses I had were pretty-much jerk free, IIRC.

 

Be prepared for the "what? an AA woman giving birth with a husband?" smh. unreal.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@ElfeVerte @Quell When that happened the first thing I thought of was you and your nurse horror story. LOL. Thats why I laughed b/c she looked so offended by not being single, my hubby wasn't even there. She might have fell out dead if she's seen me there w/ my white husband. Oh she was snotty, I was just holding together but I kept thinking you rude so and so you.

MZ Elf 2660 pts

 eugeniaberg   ElfeVerte  Quell I would love to be a fly on the wall with that convo. I got much flack but not having children must really make them bug out, lol.

Quell 53 pts

 MZ Elf  eugeniaberg   ElfeVerte  I don't understand how someone can be offended because you want  or have what's normal. I really think some Black women act negatively when they find that another Black woman doesn't have OWL children because they want others to be miserable along with them.

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Toni_M 18805 pts moderator

 Kia Sure, you can! When I wanted to directly respond to someone, I posted comment and used @ in front of their name to make sure they were aware of my comment to them. If a thread gets too long, there's nothing saying you HAVE to address someone within that thread. You can certainly make a new one and have an easier time continuing the conversation.

 

I imagine the discussion would be on topic so I don't see the problem.

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Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 Kia That's what I love about my grandmother! She was frank and made it clear that she made mistakes so her children wouldn't have to! (Even thought they ended up making stupid mistakes) She had twins out of wedlock and then her husband died... all at 16 years old! Was an alcoholic and her family always criticized her! She left Louisiana with a man and her kids and started work in California! Like a BOSS! 

 

I think black people either want to rise above all at the same time (simultaneously)

 

OR all die together.. bitter and alone..

 

NOT getting ON that CRAZY *ss train

The_Boss 283 pts

Oh yes. I explored this issue in depth in a paper I wrote about why black men don't succeed in the classroom. Thank you for highlighting ths issue.

I have a sad real-life example: In a dual enrollment classroom at the most diverse high school in the county that I reside in Central Florida, there are 2 young men of african descent. Two. One of them is biracial. But out of the many students taking college courses, only two. Two young men of color were enrolled.

Did you know that only 1.8% of teachers in the US are black men... That's just pitiful if you ask me. But thank you again for highlighting this major issue, I hope many people will learn a lot from this.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 The_Boss I heard that men in general were earning less degrees than women! And boys are starting to fail at school because they don't know how to read.. and this is white boys too! This is a problem because most girls want to marry higher than themselves right? 

 

Man shortage anyone? lol

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 The_Boss Oh wait, ya know what? To be realistic.. either way it would be no different... as long as there are more girls.. more girls will get more degrees.. and as long as there's less boys.. there will be less males degrees, right? There will never be an equal amount of sexes getting degrees.. or anything at that matter! lol

tracyreneejones 3547 pts

 Pearl Rose  The_Boss I've read up on studies that say that Black boys have challenges in school that are unique to them, and I've read that boys in general have learning challenges unique to them. We know education is not one size fits all, and it seems like something is going on with education, besides demographics and economics. Maybe males are disinterested in the plantation? (work life isn't as appealing as it used to be.....who knows)

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 tracyreneejones  The_Boss I think boys learn different way from girls. I think they learn phonics better. I also the that grooming for boys and girls against each other is fatal to children's education. I'm more into homeschooling/unschooling because all the gender competitiveness goes away. I think boys in general start to lose motivation or something.. like they want someone to take care of them. But we see that waaaay more in BM and BB. I was in a homeschool public school of mine (Horace Mann MS) and I heard boys saying over and over that they don't want to go to college (and that's, fine with me) but what shocked me the most was that they didn't say anything AFTER that.. no business, no entrepreneur thing.. it was crazy!

The_Boss 283 pts

 tracyreneejones  Pearl Rose

 Well if I was a black male and I knew that there were no black male teachers at my school, I would feel discouraged and upset. Because before my father came to work at the school there were absolutely no black male teachers at all. And few black females (well under 10).

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 The_Boss  tracyreneejones At the schools that I have been to their was only 2 bm teachers (LOVED my science teacher) but he got laid-off and then the vice principle was black.. so three in total, we didn't really have a bw teacher. I remember there was one but she cursed a lady out and got fired.. I had one bw teacher in 1st grade she was so sweet, she have a wm husband too. 

MZ Elf 2660 pts

 Pearl Rose Boys , in my experience, don't learn phonics better. They do, however, sail through math and science concepts at a very young age. I used to help with a Kindergarten class that was very advanced. The boys did well with the Phonics, phonogram cards and reading but the girls were truly the masters. Math was easier for the boys than the girls without a doubt with a few exceptions. The boys would literally swallow up the 200 problem math sheet in less minutes or seconds than the girls. The real funny thing is that all of them were primarily good at it all because they were so competitive and the expectations were very high and the level of order and discipline was very much like I remember growing up.. The boys being taught by mainly female teachers is a major problem. Many of these teachers don't understand how to change what they are doing to accommodate the boys and get frustrated with the boys early on. I believe many boys are medicated for behavior disorders erroneously because of it. This was also a school in a privileged community with heavy parent involvement and a back to basics school concept.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 MZ Elf  Oh okay, I didn't know that. But that is very good to know. I think that girls and boys can do the same work, but I think they learn different ways, and then adding to that individual people learn different too. A classroom was never the place for me, some subjects moved too slow while others moved to fast. I'm in an independent school program now.. I basically teach myself, they give me school books. I just don't like the competitive energy between girls and boys. It puts unnecessary pressure on both of them, and makes them worried about 'winning the boys/girls, than actually learning something. I think boys should be taught by male teachers also... it would do a whole ot for bb and boys in general. A lot of boys are put on Ritalin so they'd sit down, shut up, and do boring work, a whole lot of them don't actually need it. Girls get the medicine to but a lot of little boys want to learn in a different way actually getting out there experiencing and getting a little dirty and learn all at the same time and that's just not what a classroom is for. I really hope that this soon changes. I wonder how the education system will work out... it seems like its really failing students.. even the school in the suburbs!

MZ Elf 2660 pts

 Pearl Rose I do think males need to be teaching boys as well. I see so many boys labeled and yet when I am around them, they seem fine to me. Some don't and you can tell right off. Not many. I do think immunizations has increased some learning issues in both boys and girls. Especially boys. I wouldn't even consider immunizing a child today until they are about to go to school and to do it much slower than recommended. Everyone has to choose what they do but I ahve talked to many mothers and read many stories that support what the gov won't disclose.

 

Yes Pearl, I so agree and like you, I actually don't believe that schooling the way it's done is actually the most beneficial. Traditional schooling take the life experience out and make it about testing and peer pressure. There is no whole life learning. The traditional school setting IMO again...IMO is set up to create worker bees for the assembly. The smaller percentage that are schooled to be leaders actually are. Going in the cafeterias reminded me of watching Laverne and Shirley episodes with them working in a factory and living a factory life. Loved the show but YUCKO! Michigan, Ohio and Pittsburgh are cities that remind me of that era. I have family in two and was around a few factory workers. Honorable work but still hate to see people all across the nation in schools that seem to still be training to be worker bees and not leaders. Everyone has a slot but let them figure that out later. School the more arts inclined according to their gifts, the more science inclined towards theirs etc etc. Vouchers for more choice regardless to socioeconomic status may even the playing field some. Instead of arresting parents for attempting to put their children in better out of district schools.

 

We are definitely on the same page Pearl!

zipporah 1714 pts

@The_Boss @tracyreneejones @Pearl Rose I would think a guy of ANY COLOR would be better than a woman, black or otherwise and 'there is not much difference in guys' anyway for a male role model for your son,or grandson.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 MZ Elf

 Yes their documentaries about the school system and its failings, and a couple of YT videos. 

 

I also think that a lot of people forget or don't know that human are the only species that are able to learn! We learn until the day we die... what do we do when we get out of school stop learning? lol People think that we need a teacher with a 'degree for teaching to learn' nature gave us that! I plan to unschool/homeschool my future children. Or send them to a Montessori school, their they learn from children of older ages, it's not all age segregated like public schools.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 zipporah  The_Boss  tracyreneejones  Pearl I think girls learn better from women too, but I can tell you I'd be a whole different girl if my father was not around. My father is the reason for my confidence and my self-esteem. But my mother taught and help me understand things. I needed both of them.

 

But boys need men to help them learn and look up to. But you know in the BC, no boys can look up to no white man, cuhz dats bahd. smh

zipporah 1714 pts

@MZ Elf @Pearl Rose boys LEARN phonics better because of their 'mechanical' mind?! why dont they promote that more!

FriendsofJay 1827 pts

I think the big problem is lack of education.  Black women go to college and grad school in much larger numbers than black men, if they have the financial resources.  As has been noted here, an educated BW is somehow seen as working against herself in finding a BW to marry.  That MUST change.  An interesting thing happened to me a year ago.  I found myself riding on a bus (I hate buses!).  This pretty black girl got on with her baby.  I said, "your baby looks pretty new."  She said she was on her way to the pediatrician and the baby was ten days old.  She mentioned that she had two more children at home.  One was a son, of which she was very proud.  I stupidly asked her how long she'd been married.  She said she wasn't and I felt about two inches tall.  I was working on my iPad and she said, "what's that."  I told her it was an iPad and gave it to her to experiment.   I showed her how to use it and she seemed to be having a good time.  She then gave it back to me and in the process dropped her cell phone.  I leaned over to pick it up.  She seemed surprised that I did that.  I asked more about the baby and she was very talkative, but continued to wonder why I was being nice to her.  I evidently treated her better than she expected to be treated by a WM.  Then I asked her how old she was and she said seventeen.   Then her stop came up and she rose to leave.  I said, "good luck with your babe," and she almost cried.  I couldn't figure it out.  When I thought about it I began to wonder if any man-----black or white-----had ever treated her well in her seventeen years.  It hit me that she, like many people in the BC, had given up all hope of going to school and becoming successful.  I kept thinking of that old saying of the United Negro College: a mind is a terrible thing to waste.  And I wonder what that pretty girl could be capable if she had the chances a white girl had.  I wanted to help, but didn't know how.  We have to find out how to help.

reem11 1127 pts

@FriendsofJay You did help in ways you will never know. Remember a kind word goes a long way. I will not mention (but I will anyway) your kindness, how you picked up her cell phone after she dropped it.

keimiasmoon 1034 pts

 reem11  FriendsofJay Of all the stupid things I've heard told to black women, "Don't get an education cuz you won't get a man" is something that I have NOT heard. Thank goodness. Educated women are far less likely to have a child out of wedlock, but among the college educated Black women still have the highest rate of OOW births. We can keep pushing education, but what we need now is a cultural push towards marriage. I must say that I have noticed a shift in the comments on certain Black female blogs. Before there was a lot of "I don't need marriage, it's just a piece of paper." type of comments. Now there is a lot more vocal support for marriage. I don't hear as much support for it from the males though. 

DeepWater 2457 pts

 keimiasmoon  reem11  FriendsofJay   Well, of course not.  Not in the best interest of Black males..........just a (I think very true) thought.

zipporah 1714 pts

@FriendsofJay WOW the poor little girl didnt even KNOW what marriage was..?.if thats the case, she doesnt even know who her grandfather is either or who her great grandfather was....

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

My Grandmothers dad OWNED his property. My grandma was born on a plantation. It irritates me when people blame being black on their problems NOW. 

 

Older people of my ancestry had 'something' about them. Older African Americans period they wanted a good life and worked for it relentlessly! How the h*ll did we get here! I honestly feel sometimes that African american ancestors feel really PISSED. It upsets me becuase they have had it way worse than how we have it now and they still made a way, no matter what.

 

I apologize I have been on ancestry.com with my mother A LOT.

 

Vulnerability is truly a gift. But its easy to be taken advantage of in the BC, I see girls like this that have gotten hurt or even pregnant to be left alone.. and then BM complain about black women being ROUGH, and then when it comes a time to be vulnerable they don't know how to act. 

 

This was an awesome post!

DeepWater 2457 pts

 Pearl Rose   You know, Pearl (which happens to be my mothers name, no joke)  I was thinking of checking out, when I get the nerve up someday, ancestry.com.  I know more about my mothers' side, but, frankly, literally almost nothing on my fathers' side, well a little, his mother (whom mostly likely has passed some time ago), his one sister (my aunt probably gone as well), and a brother (from a different father).   Here's the scary part though, on his side the man whom I thought was, and essentially was, my grandfather was his mother's 2nd husband, so even my mother (whom she and I do not deal well in a very real sense) stated that she'd never knew whom my father's "real" father was in that there were men in-between his mothers' husbands, thusly I'd think it be something even Mr. Henry Louis Gates, Jr. himself would have great difficulty in finding out my "sperm donors" origins.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 DeepWater I bet my history is no different from most African American people. My mom told me about some problems that the older people in our family had.. due to skin color issues! (CRAZY) She told me about some of her great great aunts passing as white and leaving the Chicago to have a better life. It's crazy.. but its history, so. My middle name is Pearl (named after my dad's mom). It's hard to get my dads ancestry because my dad doesn't know his dad, last time he seen him was when he was 10. Supposed to be Haitian.. but no one really knows. My dads sisters are basically step sisters.. all have different dads.. it's really messy.

DeepWater 2457 pts

 Pearl Rose   Yes, it is.  I was going to say that earlier to you.  It came to my mind later that, also, I have my fathers' mother's maiden name, therefore, I believe she knew, that, with this, it would be a major uphill battle to find out whom my fathers' father was and as well, his brother, whom had a different father, would be.  Sadly, this was brilliant.   In other words, my last name, is my father's mothers' maiden name.   I believe she was aware that this would "cut off" any questions about my fathers' heritage.  I believe this with all of my heart, a truly, and sadly, brilliant move.

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 DeepWater  That was a good move. My dad took his fathers last name, which is my last name. No one is sure if its even spelled right, which irritates me so much! .. But no one knows and it pisses me off. We can go back to my mom... back like... back to the plantation back on ancestry.com. But not my dad.

DeepWater 2457 pts

 Pearl Rose   Exactly, I posted to you somewhere here that my last name is my "dad's" mothers "maiden" name.........a brilliant move........she knew (in my heart of hearts) it would "cut off" any questions about "my heritage"..........

DeepWater 2457 pts

 Pearl Rose   Basically, as a "people" we've been bought and sold on auction blocks (some Black folk were born free), and is difficult to tell our liniage.  Again, in pure speculation, sadly, I believe that my fathers' mother, my "grandmoms", "knew" this would "cut us off" at the pass..........I have know other way to explain it........(I could be wrong - rape?  maybe?)........................

DeepWater 2457 pts

 Pearl Rose "no other".........

Pearl Rose 1182 pts

 DeepWater Some blacks that were born free, were kidnapped and sold into slavery! I read that in historical civil rights movement newspapers in the late 1700s. 

 

So you have no way of tracing back and looking up your family? No one will give you any hints? It could have been rape too, that's what most people do when they keep the baby. Either send the baby to an adoption agency or keep it and put it in the mothers maiden name.

DeepWater 2457 pts

 Pearl Rose   Exactly.....from what you've stated........I don't want to believe the "worst" and want believe in the "best" and that my grandmoms wanted to, possibly, spare folk from (her, possible) "embarassment".........again, speculation, only.........