Have We Completely Lost Our Humanity? Connecticut Elementary School Shooting Makes My Heart Sick.

Have We Completely Lost Our Humanity? Connecticut Elementary School Shooting Makes My Heart Sick.

Did I just hear Bill Handel say “elementary school,” like, with young kids, like…babies? Killed?

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I heard it on the radio while I was in my minivan on the way to drop The Babster off at preschool. She was upset because she’d packed her “back pack” full of goodies she wanted to bring (mostly food low enough on the shelves for her little hands to swipe) but couldn’t find when it was time to go.

“Emma, you don’t need your food backpack. Miss Jennifer makes all your food in the kitchen at school, honey.”

“But I want it! I want my backpack!!” she wailed, tiny tears streaming down her impossibly tiny face, her mouth formed in a sideways oval, her tongue vibrating against her tonsils.

Then I heard it. A gunman went into an elementary school and killed 27 people, most of them children. Last I heard there is an entire kindergarten class unaccounted for. I gasped. Did I just hear Bill Handel say “elementary school,” like, with young kids, like…babies? Killed?

I looked at the rear view mirror at my whining baby, and my heart dropped. Some parent got into their mini van today and dropped their child off at that soon-to-be infamous school, just like every other Friday. That parent might have thought, “It’s only 11 days until Christmas. I’ll drop little “Jayden” or “Kylie” off at kindergarten and then do some shopping, maybe swing to the post office and send off those Christmas cards. And then while they were shopping at Macy’s or Toy R’ Us, they get the call that would change Christmas for them forever.

The radio announcer said there’s footage of little children walking out of the school single file, each with their hands on the shoulders of the child in front of them. They weren’t just crying. They were screaming. Children, screaming in terror and grief.

I called my mother-in-law, who lives just a half hour away from the mass-murder site to see if she might have more details on who might have done such a vile and evil thing. Her sound blew out on the big screen television that was blaring little swipes of information in their news reports. I wanted to know who this “person” might be, this evil entity would could be so soulless as to go into an elementary school full of babies and systematically take them out of this world, just 11 days before they were supposed to run downstairs in their little pajamas with the feet, slip along the wood floor to the Christmas tree to all the presents that would await them.

I speculated about who this evil person might be, some mental patient that fell through the cracks with a father in New Jersey who made excuses for his son’s psychosis. I wondered if the future reports will show that some psychiatrist made a recommendation that the shooter be hospitalized but perhaps there was no money, no resources.

I hear the shooter is dead, and I’m not glad. I want him to be alive so he can be dragged through the streets. Guys like these need medieval justice. When the craziest amongst us kills the most innocent amongst us, I have to wonder, just how much good will towards men we have left in this world.

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Kiwiwriter 613 pts

Can't tell you how sickened and upset I am about this incident...there are so many things that upset me.

 

1.  The sheer sadism of it.

2.  The fact that this killer apparently has Asperger's, which I have. He's the poster boy for my condition. Terrific. I have news for the media...Aspergians are not all psychotic killers.

3.  If the cops had not responded so quickly, HUNDREDS of kids would be dead.

4. The teachers showed courage in this crisis that goes above and beyond the core values of teaching. They deserve medals. The only term I can use for them is "samurai." Real samurai, not the twisted value the Japanese used in World War II.

5. As a guy who is a journalist for 32 years, I am hoping that the media covering this horror show some bloody compassion, humanity, and common sense, and don't just view this as the "ultimate reality show." Instead of having 20 combustible Yuppies competing for glory, a high-paying job, or a spouse, they have 27,000 people of all ages, from the town wino to its mayor, having emotional meltdowns in front of the entire nation. So I'm sure the media will just shove microphones and cameras in the faces of these families and ask them what they think about Wayne LaPierre's statements on gun control or Kim Kardashian's pregnancy...anything to get that exclusive ahead of the competition.

6. The fact that these families are going to spend the rest of eternity staring at empty chairs, silent rooms, and unwrapped Christmas presents, remembering everything that was, everything that is, and everything that will never be again.

7. The fact that this country will NEVER, EVER, have a sober, sane, sensible gun policy. The handgun manufacturers and the NRA are too powerful. Too many of their supporters are seriously paranoid about other ethnicities, their own government, and "socialists," and seriously think that their basement arsenal of assault rifles is the only thing that will save America from the "enemy" imposing a tyranny upon them, based on the BIlderbergers, the UN, black helicopters, the Tri-Lateralists, the Freemasons, the Jews, the Muslims, and blacks (of course).

8. All that government will do after this is offer up some bills that will get shot down in Congress, wring its hands, make statements, and move on.

9. People will find scapegoats to blame: the NRA has blamed this whole fiasco on Hollywood and video games. Right. There was no mass murder before video games. Forget about two unimaginably bloody world wars, the Crusades, the Inquisition, the massacre of the Armenians, the Middle Passage, the slave trade, the Belgians in the Congo, the Russian Gulags, the Holocaust, and the killing fields in Cambodia. None of this happened until we had video games. And violent movies did it...wasn't "Gone With the Wind" violent? "Sands of Iwo Jima?" "The Longest Day?" Hollywood has been doing violent movies since "The Great Train Robbery." Always a scapegoat.

10. Finally, the coldest fact of all...sitting in some basement somewhere, surrounded by more firepower than 41st Royal Marine Commando, is some disaffected person, wreathed in paranoia, sitting in front of his computer, heated up by a combination of his own inner demons, failures in life, and conspiracy theory rhetoric on the internet, convinced that he is the only man standing in the gap against villainous enemies that are threatening to bring down Western civilization. Convinced that he has to make a dramatic gesture to bring the "sheeple" to their feet and rising to the "cause," as well as so filled with despair at his own failures that he wants to go out with a bang, he will decide to end his deserved obscurity and existence by writing his name in the history books as the perpetrator of a massacre that will break the records and horror set in Connecticut...and he will go forth, armed to the teeth, commit an even greater act of butchery, die at his own hands of those of the police, and achieve his goal....to be remembered forever.

We can name them all:

Charles Whitman

James Huberty

David Berkowitz

John Wayne Gacy

Richard Speck

Ted Bundy

Jeffrey Dahmer

David Muhammed

Bonnie Parker

Clyde Barrow

Jack the Ripper

Aileen Wuornos

 

All of these killers, and more, are permanently inscribed on the national psyche. Many of us can rattle off the details of their crimes...Huberty attacking a Jewish temple...Richard Speck and the nurses...John Wayne Gacy and the clown suit...Muhammed and his sniper's roost in the trunk of his car...Whitman in the college tower...Dahmer the cannibal...and so on. They are all remembered, in immense detail. Studied. Reviewed. Subjects of movies and TV shows.

 

Now, here's the hard part.

 

Name their victims.

 

So you can see how upset and devastated I am.

friendswmimi 260 pts

I think watching the news reports last Friday was the hardest thing I ever did.  You see, I am a first grade teacher.  And when I heard that a kindergarten class was killed, all I could do was think of my own class.  I love my class and my students as much as I love my own daughter, so I can't even imagine what the teachers must have gone through.  And then to see the pictures of the students with their names was too much to bear.  I don't understand when America is going to decide when automatic rifles and guns should be banned.

zipporah 1714 pts

BTW...has anyone seen that poem which was a takeoff on T'was the Night before christmas... on facebook? it goes: T'was 11 days before christmas at 9:38.....

Jamila 7189 pts moderator

This reminds of an episode of Law and Order that I once watched. The particular show was about a mother whose husband had been gunned down or murdered somehow a few years ago and she was left to raise her two young boys on her own.

 

Her youngest boy was discovered by police eating out of a garbage can. The boy said that he was always hunger because his mother didn't feed him. Well, the police went to the mother's home and it turns out that she did feed the boy, but she was very controlling about it and only let him eat flavorless vegan-type food. Eventually the older boy murdered his younger brother.

 

Then it turns out that the mother had a third son who only came to light once the middle-boy was in jail. The older brother told of how his mother had always been "off" but the worst of her tendencies had been kept in check by their father. Once the father was gone, the mother just went straight crazy because there was no moderating influence to keep her in check.

 

This same dynamic may have been at play with Adam's mother. When she was married, her husband may have kept the worst of her paranoia at bay and made sure that Adam didn't totally lose his connection with reality and spiral into utter craziness. Well, once the father was gone there was no one to keep either the mother or the son from losing their grip. So the mother became the type of gun nut who tells anyone who will listen about her love of guns and fear of the world ending, and the son became more and more mentally unstable, disconnected from society, and began to take on his mother's paranoia.

 

If she had still been married I think the presence of the father would have been able to prevent this tragedy from happening.

DeepWater 2446 pts

****should be last half of 20th century and in and through beginning of now the 21st***

DeepWater 2446 pts

After getting my bearings, so as not disrespect those from Virginia, Sung Hui Cho, stalks and kills 32 students over 4 hour period and wounds upwards of 20 others at Virginia Tech with SERIOUS automatic weapons.  

 

Yet another monster with mental health issues.

 

Not that I have best brain but I don't need Google, Wikipedia or any that for memory.   I've lived to seen them all the last half of this century and yet, I still have no words (or few words anyways).

DeepWater 2446 pts

Soooooooooooooooooo sad for the babies.  Babies!

 

Yet another monster.   Yet another mass (in this case) school shooting.   Stockton (CA) 5 children killed, 30 wounded 20+ years ago by lone adult gunman; Jonesboro (ARK) two boys 11 and 13 kill 4 classmates and one teacher, well planned and thought out with automatic weapons; then

 

Columbine High School, Littleton (CO) Klebald and Harris separate and begin killing 12 classmates and 1 teacher they perceived as having "dissed" them during school year, and whom were not seen as not "belonging", killing them one by one as they head toward school cafeteria and library (both now are sealed as tombs) then killing selves.  They had homemade bombs that didn't go off but one or two did within school walls. One had some mental issues while the other had "hate" toward fellow classmates due to alleged bullying, afterward one put his sawed off shotgun inside mouth and pulled the trigger, the other shot himself through his temple, both did this in tandem (same time, together) at the end of their killin' spree.   But Klebold and Harris, though one had slight depression issues, had this WELL PLANNED and well thought out, for MONTHS.   They planned as any general would plan for war.  They KNEW what they were doing.

 

Less than one week ago a Portland (OR) shooting at mall killing, I believe two people, one man and one woman..

 

I agree with you all here in terms of folk needing mental illness help.   

 

Now a 20 year old boy killing 28 people, one of which was his mother he'd shot in the face while she slept, for no, seemingly, apparent reason.

 

I cry now.

 

 

zipporah 1714 pts

we finally found out they were 6 & 7 years old =NOT 5-10 like some  thought-==.probably without there front teeth and waiting for the tooth fairy & santa

LorMarie 1345 pts

I am glad that I am a trained teacher (any grade k-12) I am now working my but off so that I can reach a point where I can homeschool my girls if need be. The world is a terrible place and even schools aren't safe. A lot of people hate metal detectors but I've worked in schools that utilized them (as well as small police precincts). They may be intrusive but they work. I am willing to give up a few freedoms if our children (and adults) will be safer.

Suburban Soulgirl 250 pts

I could not imagine the pain of the family who have lost loved ones.  My thoughts and prayers are with them.

 

Also- I am kind of tired of the "mental illness" excuse being thrown around- especially when it comes to white male mass murderers.  There are plenty of people who suffer from mental illness- but they don't go around shooting little children.

 

Anyone who'd kill innocent children for no reason @ all is just plain fricking evil. If there is a hell, I hope he's roasting in it.

MySmile 4172 pts

 Suburban Soulgirl In my opinion, the mental illness thing isn't an excuse. Having a mental illness does not excuse someone from consequences or justify what they did. I just believe it's a major contributing factor. I feel like most mass murderers had some major mental and/ or emotional issues, regardless of color (DC snipers, I'm looking at you, too)

Christelyn 8728 pts moderator

Can you BELIEVE that one of my black facebook friends is using this tragedy as a chance to GLOAT about how "crazy" white people kill their own?! What an effing joke!! Dude should take a trip to Chicago or Detroit and he'll see plenty of HIS people KILLING their own. Ugh and black folks feeling gleeful, smug and gloating over this. Makes me want to vomit.

EarthJeff 3246 pts

 Christelyn  "Ugh and black folks feeling gleeful, smug and gloating over this. Makes me want to vomit."

Just as wrong as any time any white folk smirking off a story of another killing of young black boys as how the "young thugs deserved it" instead of being saddened at the fact of another young life lost.

prettyangelsierra1 28 pts

@Christelyn I can honestly say I havent seen anything like that. but ive been on the nc and cn hairboards, so all i've seen is horrified black mothers. this has hit me hard, what kind of world am I bringing my baby into, when even kindergarden isn't safe?

PhillyGirl 187 pts

Like everyone else I was and am still MORTIFIED by what happened. Looking at the news, one can become so desensitized to violence, but not from this: I CRIED.  Chris, as a Principal in an elementary school, I pictured that same scenario you described; " mom drops off little baby to school, hoping to get in some last minute Christmas shopping, most likely rushing the babies out the door as we all do in our normal routine, only to have that DREADED PHONE CALL: The school is on LOCK-DOWN!  As a Principal, I can tell you lock-down drills are serious but all too ordinary in our world. Parents probably thought is was something minor that would pass; but that next text saying the lock-down had been lifted NEVER came. I can't even imagine that moment... :( SO SAD... My heart is broken for the little babies and their families.   

 

And then I think to the Teachers and Principal, like me who have trained for such a moment but NEVER in your wildest dreams do you think it will ever happen at your school; too YOUR BABIES. When I heard that the Principal ran towards the gun shots all I could think was: OF COURSE, that's what we do. Principals are trained to manage the emergency, try to de-escalate the situation if possible, and CONTAIN the threat in the office away from the kids. So, of course she ran towards the gun shots... That Principal and those Teachers are TRUE heroes because I know they knew at that moment they would have to sacrifice their lives for their kids.  But, when did Teaching become such a hazardous profession? Is there nothing sacred left?  All I can say is, " my heart is broken" but off I go to work on Monday morning to my own school. to my own babies, and pray, like I'm sure every other Principal will do,"God, PLEASE don;t let it happen here."

Christelyn 8728 pts moderator

 PhillyGirl Teachers and principals have got a new found respect and deference from me. God bless you and what you do.

EarthJeff 3246 pts

 Christelyn   PhillyGirl "Teachers and principals have got a new found respect and deference from me. God bless you and what you do."

Thank you.   Seriously.  Hearing that - even from just one person, let alone one that I respect so highly - mean a LOT.  I am sure it does for PhillyGirl and Young Teach and all the other educators out here.  Christ, do me a favor.  Take the time and effort to say that to one of your kids teachers.  It will make their day.  Your post here just made mine.

PhillyGirl 187 pts

Chris,

Thank you so much! this really made my day!

Veron 1394 pts

The amount of grief that I feel for everyone involved is so immense.  More than 100 miles away, and I feel like my heart is crushed inside my chest. So  I can't even begin to imagine how the families affected must be feeling, or how they can possibly cope.  But I've had to take breaks from media not just because the level of sadness is overwhelming, but because of my increasing disgust with how mainstream news organizations and their affiliates are handling this. 

 

Yesterday, I was liable to punch someone in the face when I saw that anchors were interviewing children mere HOURS after they had just experienced a trauma that is likely going to follow them for the rest of lives.  What sort of jackass anchor would throw away journalistic integrity and shove a microphone into the face of a 8 year old who just barely walked away with his life? What sort of jackass producer would let that mess air?? That level of exploitation made me nauseous, and now there are reports coming out that despite direct requests to be left alone, family and friends of many of the victims are being hounded for information. 

 

 I understand that people want to know and understand what the hell happened and find an avenue to offer support; But the spirit of that entire town has been broken, and this need for "story" that permeates our media has officially crossed every line. How is the scoop more important than the lives this has shattered?  I've sent angry emails to the networks that I've found most offensive, but I feel like this might be what our cultural dynamic expects at this point, and that makes me even more sad.  I feel like there is a way to be informed while also being respectful, but no one seems interested in that.

 

end vent.

Like my brother said, "God made one mistake and that's when he created human beings". I'm so disturbed like I can't even rest right now because I can't get past these babies 5-10 being murdered by another human being. I just cannot sleep at all this is some troubling to my mind. Lord these babies and the pain they had to go through. I feel for the families, right before the Christmas holiday too, their babies toys can't even be played with, I cried real tears today.

Lexi88 2180 pts

So appreciative of the teachers who turned off their emotions to ensure the safety of those kids. If you've ever wondered, what exactly do teachers do? Turn to your local channels, you will see/hear everyday heroes putting your children's education and LIFE first.

EarthJeff 3246 pts

 Lexi88 "So appreciative of the teachers who turned off their emotions to ensure the safety of those kids. If you've ever wondered, what exactly do teachers do? Turn to your local channels, you will see/hear everyday heroes putting your children's education and LIFE first."

You know, I have to admit that I think about this a lot.  Not because I like to dwell on when it might happen again, but because not only do I work in an urban high school with varying levels of violence happening at times, but also because I take very seriously my responsibility for the 150 or so lives that I have in my charge every day.  How would I react?  Would i dive under my desk?  Would I calmly try and de-escalate the violent offender?  Geez, I just dont know.  I like to think I would put the lives of any of my students first.  But until we face that situation, we never really know.  

I do know the fear of something happening.  My first year teaching we had a parent threaten to come by and "shoot up the school" (7 years ago).  My room was on the first floor, whole row of windows, on the street side of the main street that would be the likely choice for someone to just drive by and let fly.  I was scared shitless even though I stayed very calm for the students trying to calm down THEIR fears.

Blackberry 1177 pts

@EarthJeff @Lexi88 Agreed. One teacher told the student to their quiet and keep their eyes on her. Apparently she told each one of them that she loved them because she wanted to last thing they heard to be that someone loved them. Fortunately the kids in her room all survived. As she is telling this story to the interviewer she said she thought not saying she loved them because it was unprofessional and didn't want to overstep.....to myself I am thinking only a jack*ss would complain about what a teacher said to students as she is saving their lives. It seemed sad that she would (given the way people antagonize teachers) have been worried about such things in that moment.

Blackberry 1177 pts

slightly different point:

 

People keep saying what a nice place Newtown is, how small the city is, how great the schools are and that such a tragedy shouldn't happen in a place like that. People who say this are expressing shock and grief I'm not mad at them ......not very much at least.

 

But I feel like shouting its a tragedy everywhere/anywhere someone shoots and murders a child. I feel like shouting, "what? So....bad things can only happen in ugly places or inner cities?!" "Its not as sad if it had happened in Newark? Or Pittsburg? Or Louisville? Or Los Angeles?"

 

 I mean I know that is not what people mean consciously .....but I recall the girl who was shot in the head this year in afghanistan  just for trying to go to school.  (obviously I understand the difference between America & Afghanistan so please don't jump on me for that) Its been a roller coaster of emotions for me today and the latest wave is one of general worry for youth everywhere. My best friend is in active labor right now, she's having a girl. Five years from now she could be a parent dropping her kid off at kindergarten. Eight-ten  years ago a woman in afghanistan gave birth to her child and had hoped she would be able to provide for her child and not risk her life by sending her to school.

 

Somethings are universal, and not just for the "pretty places". Anytime violence is committed against a child, no matter where it happens, it should affect us all. 

MadamCJCPA 1125 pts

 Blackberry I understand exactly what you are getting at, I'm in Chicago and the city here is quickly approaching 500 gun shooting incidents for 2012.  The South and West sides of the city are like war zones, children are shot here while still asleep (in their homes) in bed because some jack@$$ gangbanger was shooting at some other jack@ss and missed his intended target.

Penny 523 pts

 MadamCJCPA  Blackberry  ss MadamCJCPA and Blackberry I thought the exact same thing. How many young poor black children die in shootings in ghettos and nothing is done?

Blackberry 1177 pts

 Penny  MadamCJCPA  ss I don't want to turn it into a race thing....its not that simple. Its about the permission we give ourselves to ignore what is not directly in front of us. Its about the limits of our daily empathy.

 

We ignore the mentally ill? He looked so normal? Because we don't want to acknowledge that we, as people, tend to believe that bad things and bad people are elsewhere. If everything looks peaceful it must be peaceful. "So and so O'D ? I knew he liked to party but...." Like its easy for people to share the darkest parts of themselves. We also see this logic in cases of domestic violence or molestation. People say, "but the neighbor was always nice to me?" As if evil always identifies itself.

 

Guess what, its all around us. Ignoring the signs and never bothering to look for them in the first place may make it easier to get through the day...but it doesn't give us a reason to try and address the ills in our society.

introvertedwanderer 1056 pts

 Blackberry  Penny  MadamCJCPA  ss

 "I don't want to turn it into a race thing....its not that simple. Its about the permission we give ourselves to ignore what is not directly in front of us. Its about the limits of our daily empathy."

 

I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people just have a restricted sense of empathy.  If it's not them and there own, then they don't give two cents.

 

"We ignore the mentally ill? He looked so normal? Because we don't want to acknowledge that we, as people, tend to believe that bad things and bad people are elsewhere. If everything looks peaceful it must be peaceful."

 

This is a great point.  I've become a lot more aware of personality disorders and mental illnesses over the past couple of years, just for my own interests, so that I can spot certain signs from other people in my immediate environment.

Penny 523 pts

 introvertedwanderer  Blackberry  MadamCJCPA  ss I am with you introvertedwander...I am extremely sensitive to it since I had a friend who committed suicide after being diagnosed with a personality disorder. At the time I couldn't understand her behavior but now I know what to look for, I realize there are a lot of mentally ill people out there. But no one wants to get involved. Parents don't want to admit their child could be mentally ill. People don't want to admit they could be having problems handling life. Mental illness  needs to come front and center as an issue to be dealt with.

introvertedwanderer 1056 pts

 Penny  Blackberry  MadamCJCPA  ss

 "At the time I couldn't understand her behavior but now I know what to look for, I realize there are a lot of mentally ill people out there. But no one wants to get involved. Parents don't want to admit their child could be mentally ill. People don't want to admit they could be having problems handling life. Mental illness  needs to come front and center as an issue to be dealt with."

 

Very true statement.  I decided to start reading up on personality disorders after encountering a couple of now former coworkers who seemed to have narcissistic personality disorder, one of them also having ocd/ocpd traits.  I tell ya, the one who had the ocd/ocpd traits, I wouldn't be surprised if I was to hear one day that he had done something horrendous. It's a tricky situation when dealing with these people who exhibit certain traits, because obviously they don't see themselves as having a problem and tend to be very rigid and set in thier ways, often believing themselves to be the perssecuted party. They don't recognize that they have a problem and don't want to change their ways at all, and often resort to projection.

 

I'll just say that I personally do have a mental illness, depression, and I think that it runs in my family.  I've told one family member recently that I think the best thing for her to do is to start seeing a psychologist/psychiatrist.  It took her a long time to come around to the fact that she might actually need to talk to someone, but she started to realize that she might have a problem.

 

 

EarthJeff 3246 pts

 Blackberry "I feel like shouting, "what? So....bad things can only happen in ugly places or inner cities?!" "Its not as sad if it had happened in Newark? Or Pittsburg? Or Louisville? Or Los Angeles?""

 

No, bad things dont only happen in ugly places or inner cities.  It is JUST as sad when it happens in the worst urban area as it is when it happens in some homogeneous, upper-class town or school.  But perhaps some of that - honestly - is that is more likely to happen in ugly places where violence much more pervasive.  And THAT is something we have to change too.  Does that make it OK there or make it less a tragedy?  No way.  JUST AS HORRIBLE.

Avoc42883 1222 pts

 Blackberry I know what you mean.  I think its not about degrees of sadness but its about how common it is in other areas, sadly.  And I think sometimes our media doesn't give Newark, Camden, Louisville that much attention because they are in a difficult place.  If they report black crime they are often called racist and if they don't they are often called racist. 

cocoababe 1578 pts

I bet the security that let the murderer in must feel terrible. they figure, hey its the teacher's son so its no big deal.

i hope most schools don't go the route of having metal detectors, 30 million cameras, and 24/7 police like they're in prison or something. that's no way to grow and get an education :(

Blackberry 1177 pts

@cocoababe It was just a door bell and a buzzer release. The shooter shot his way through the door. Those were the shots the principal and others heard . They went into the hallway to check....this is where they were gunned down. One person managed to get back into the office to alert the classrooms about the lockdown and start the auto-dial. (i think this might have been the only person who was injured (shot), but not actually killed). Meanwhile the guy went to the classrooms to....well No one let him in.

MadamCJCPA 1125 pts

The situation in America with guns is out of control.  The NRA will have us believe that we all need to be carrying, locked, and loaded at all times as if this were the Old West.  These were frakkin' KINDERGARTERS, are we going to send them to school to learn their ABCs and 123s or packing Derringers?

 

I woke up today to my heart breaking at the thought of five year-olds being used as target practice, as I pictured the tragedy and grief I would feel if it were my own children.  My grief quickly was replaced with outrage and anger at yet another example of our nation's failure to properly address gun violence.

Penny 523 pts

 MadamCJCPA One consistent thing in ALL of these mass shootings has been the issue of mental illness. All of these shooters had mental illnesses, everyone recognized them as being troubled and NO ONE did anything. I would like to encourage the administration to make cuts elsewhere to expand spending on the treatment of mental illnesses. I am convinced we would see a reduction in the random acts of violence if people had better mental control. I agree that everything in moderation and perhaps we review how people access guns, however, I find it interesting that this 20 year old was in NJ which has a ridiculously strict gun laws and went to CT which is just as strict. The only thing left to do in those states is say no one is allowed to own a gun and besides it violating the constitutions, it doesn't solve the deeper issue. Let's treat the cause, not the symptom.

Toni_M 18755 pts moderator

Apparently it was his mother's class as  she was a teacher. Other family members of his are dead and I think either his girlfriend is dead or missing. 

 

This is just crazy and sad.

ncatina 280 pts

 Toni_M  I agree it's crazy and sad.  Even the media had missteps in accuracy with trying ot quickly get details of this incident out to the public.

 
Blackberry 1177 pts

 ncatina  Toni_M Also the reason why the shooter was mis-identified was because he was carrying his brother's identification card. When the police went to the address on the card (hobboken?) and found a guy with the same name inside they arrested him and searched the place. while they were trying to sort of this out (turns out the brother had nothing to do with anything)

 

the media kept on reporting the wrong brother's name, but would just add this is not official. If its not official don't improperly name a perpetrator...especially when the crime is so heinous. CNN stopped misidentifying pretty clearly, but MSNBC only corrected the record just recently.

AminahMatthews 539 pts

The mall,  schools, movie theaters. This is all to common beacuse Americans love thier damn guns. Excuse my language but this is truely upsetting. Pierce Morgan (from london) said that they (the people in london) don't have possession of gun like the americans do. That's why we don't hear about things like this happening over there. Not saying Britian don't have crimes there but america is just to damn trigger happy.

ncatina 280 pts

 AminahMatthews  You're right, we as citizens in this country are entirely too trigger-happy.  Keep in mind that JUST TWO DAYS AGO there was a mass shooting at a mall in Portland, OR. 

 

Illustrating the point of how bad this phenom has become, this Blackistani moment happend several miles from my home where, at least in this case, the victims survived their injuries.

 

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8918568

 
uninterracial 948 pts

 ncatina  AminahMatthews My god, a fight over basketball? Too much.

cocoababe 1578 pts

 AminahMatthews Jesus christ! these kids haven't even been dead for 24 hours.Take a lead from our president and save the anti-gun political speech for another time.  they are still identifying bodies and contacting their families for goodness sake.

 

and let's not even talk about the English men and women (people i know) who WISH they had the right to bear arms.  you have criminals and thugs robbing them at knife and gunpoint at their homes and legally CANNOT defend themselves because of the ban on guns and all these thugs get is a slap on the risk, a warning, and they are released.

 

i wish people would stop romanticizing random European countries like they have it all figured out. they don't. no one does. people are just trying to do the best they can.

 

folks might want to look up the gun laws in countries w/ low crime rates like Switzerland before they start talking about "get rid of the guns".

 

If its not guns, it's knives, fists, poison, drugs and other objects. did you hear about what happened to those school children in China today?? 22 CHILDREN injured by a man with a knife. I guess we should ban knives as well...??

 

We've got to get to the root of the problem.

MadamCJCPA 1125 pts

 cocoababe  I call bullshit!  NOW is the time to talk about stricter anti-gun laws here in America, strike while the iron is hot.  The situation in CT is unfortunate and as a parent my heart goes out to those whom lost their child today.  However, people are only willing to even consider change when they are at their most vulnerable and angriest moments, that is how we begot the Patriot Act.  The manufactured imagine of your own child falling prey to one of these mentally unstable individuals is enough to motivate people to finally stop saying, "now is not the time, we will talk about it tomorrow."  Only for tomorrow to never come for the conversation, but another mass shooting massacre does come.

cocoababe 1578 pts

 MadamCJCPA im going to follow the example of the President and AT LEAST take the next few days to enjoy the company of my family and friends and not take them for granted because those parents will never hold their kids again.

you are free to do what you want.

 

MadamCJCPA 1125 pts

 cocoababe Make no mistake just because he said IN PUBLIC not to discuss the topic of anti-gun laws, IN PRIVATE phone calls are being made to strike now.  Politicans are too concerned with their cushy jobs to speak up, I have no such shackles I exercise my First Amendment right just as those that advocate for the easy access of deadly weapons do so on behalf of the Second Amendment.

 MadamCJCPA  cocoababe  You can make the most strict gun law in this side of the universe. If I person has an ill will and wants a gun, that person will make it so. The law has no physical bind on the individual... Laws only affect law-abiding citizens, not criminal or those who are mentally ill.