While Promoting ‘Flight,’ the REAL Reason Denzel Washington Avoided On-Screen Romances With White Women Is Revealed

While Promoting ‘Flight,’ the REAL Reason Denzel Washington Avoided On-Screen Romances With White Women Is Revealed

Black women who just love themselves some Denzel Washington are going to be upset over this one. If you thought the reason Denzel Washington never kissed white women in the movies was because of his love and appreciation of black women, you were wrong. Find out why.

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Black women who just love themselves some Denzel Washington are going to be upset over this one. If you thought the reason Denzel Washington never kissed white women in the movies was because of his love and appreciation of black women, you were wrong. Turns out that the real reason Denzel never kissed white women was because white men weren’t having it.

There was a long-standing belief that the reason Washington did so few interracial romantic scenes was not to offend black women, who are his core audience and greatest admirers.

Kelly Lynch, a white actress who starred with Washington in “Virtuosity” in 1995, reportedly gave a different reason during an interview with the A.V. Club in October.

“He said, ‘You know what, Kelly? I hate to say it, but, you know, white men bring women to movies, and they don’t want to watch a black man with their woman,’ ” she said.

For his part, Washington has noted that Hollywood, historically, was reluctant to put interracial relationships on the big screen, that he has no problem with it but won’t do it just for the sake of getting a reaction out of viewers.

But he’s done it now.

In Washington’s new film ‘Flight’ the actor kisses a white women and, according to a writer who watched the flick at one of the first showings, the mood of the entire audience shifted when Denzel puckered up to his white co-star.

I haven’t seen the movie but the synopsis makes it sound as if I’m not missing out on anything:

Two black women are cast as little more than stereotypical, long-suffering backdrops — an ex-wife whose heart has been broken by a selfish, lying, drunk black man [played by Washington]; and a religious-minded flight attendant whom the black man morally corrupts by persuading her to lie for him.

On the other hand, the character played by Reilly [Washington's love interest] turns out to be the black man’s saving grace, pointing him on the road to salvation. And when he strays, he is forced back in line by another white woman. She’s a federal investigator — and the only woman in the movie tough and savvy enough to get Washington to be honest with himself, to do what the black women could not.

I wondered why I had hardly heard anything about a new Denzel Washington flick coming out–well, now I know why. Normally every black woman in America would have been promoting a Denzel movie but I can see how those core supporters would have been turned off after seeing the movie–assuming that the on-screen romance between Washington and his paramour comes off as stiff and unbelievable as the reviewers have been proclaiming.

Black women might be mad at Denzel for a minute, but they’ll be back.

[Source: Washington Post]
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Toni_M 18844 pts moderator

 shayshay 

 

Step One: Look at the site title

 

Step Two: Assume the women here know a thing or two about interracial relationships

 

Step Three: Read the TOS

 

Step Four: Go make yourself some tea and get yourself together. It's a web discussion, it's not that deep.

 

 

 

For people with reading comprehension difficulties: Jamila isn't asking you be mad at anyone. Black women on this site are VERY familiar with people being mad at their own dating choices. Yes it may be 2013, but if people were as comfortable with black women being open to IRR as black men, this site wouldn't exist and neither would others like it. Period.

 

Anyway, this article is more or less addressed at a different group of black women (as it has been said may times that we are NOT a monolith): Women who hate the idea of black men being with non-black women and who pitch a fit over it.

 

Yes, there are many stereotypes lobbed at black women in those situations, usually as undesirable when compared to non-black women, or we're made invisible all together. And yes, a lot of black women are sick of it, even if they don't give a damn about who black men date. So don't get it twisted.

 

 

Godspeed.

SisterRainbow 208 pts

 Toni_M  ....and another thing... I wanted to address this since it was brought up in shayshay's post. Some women of mixed parentage prefer to be called Black. Why is it that people assume that all of us "should" be classified using a term that describes mixed? This is acceptable for those who want to be defined as such. As for myself, I am Black. Yes, I am mixed, but I define myself, not anyone else.

As for our President, Obama defines himself as Black. Who has the right to tell him who he is or is not, just because he was born of mixed parentage? It's not as if he isn't aware that his mother was White, and he half White. When White people redefine others without their consent, we call them racist...and rightfully so. It is wrong, no matter who does it, and no one should get a pass.

I laughed when shayshay asked if we had a look at mixed children. Was she being serious? Our children are going to be mixed, if the cute little swirly's don't already exist. When they are young, we should share their entire heritage with them, because it is the truth. That doesn't mean they are not mixed any more than it means they are not Black. When they get older, how they choose to define who they are will be their decision, and that's a wrap on other people deciding who they aren't. At some point, we should step back and let them be them.

About her BM/WW comment: Frederick Douglass was married to a White woman. But, he continued his progressive work to make the lives of Black people better. He didn't marry her, then suddenly the Black struggles of the day no longer mattered. I never thought less of him because of his marriage. Oh, by the way, Frederick was mixed also. But...he wasn't light complexioned. Too many people think that only light-skinned people are mixed. That stereotype needs to die with all the rest.

"We are all the same HUMAN BEINGS" according to shayshay. Repeat that to yourself over and over the next time you're screwed over by a racist. Even outside of racism, since when were people ever the same? Identical twins are not, so you know what that means for the rest of us. Variety rules and there is no way around it. This same/same stuff of shayshay's world is in lala land somewhere. No offense to her, but we all have opinions. And we all have life experiences...some of which are not pretty enough to fall softly into the kumbaya moment of assuming that we are all the same. Wake up please, before you hit your pretty little head. If anyone doesn't know, this site discusses problems and/or attempts to present solutions to problems, but not by creating more problems. Yes, it does get heated at times, and that is fine. Because, guess what? We're not all the same. What an epiphany!

The most offensive accusation of shayshay's post is that many if not most of the people who posted on this article are essentially racist...

The movie is awesome, nobody should be making a big deal out of an interracial romance or affair, I mean, if anything he should've done this a LONG time ago, I don't see why not. I absolutely recommend this movie.

MsShon75 6 pts

Why should I be mad at him? The movie was awesome!! It didn't matter to me that his love interest on the movie was white. It was just a movie, and a good one at that!! I'm not mad at you, Denzel!! I loved the movie.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

Denzel was well known in the 90's but now he is especially season. He's won an Oscar, what have you. He's more open artistically now, I suppose. Though I feel a lot of his roles as of late have not been that spectacular. Back then, while still acclaimed, films very well could have suffered with him playing in an interracial relationship.

 

I feel it's still pretty common that black actors don't play those roles in movies until they are fairly established, unless it's a historically based role or a comedy/satire or something like that Edris Elba/Beyonce movie who's name escapes me at the moment.

 

I dunno, Denzel's a handsome man, but 1. he's not aging are gracefully as I would have thought. 2. I'm not hung up over celebrities like that/easily differentiate between character and actor. 3. I'm probably not gonna see this movie anyway, unless MSNBC starts streaming movies, cause that's all I watch these days.

nyaw 189 pts

so you are saying the interracial critics go both ways.black men to BW and WM to WW?

TiaPANJ 31 pts

I must say I don't understand why it matters what color the women he is with is in the movie. I saw the movie and it was EXCELLENT. The race of the women were not a factor in the movie. He was in love with a woman who happened to have been white and one that was Latina. Not once did I feel any type of way about this. I seriously don't understand why people get so up in arms over this kind of thing.

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Brenda55 19475 pts moderator

OK Tye.  You have called black women stupid on this blog one too many times for my taste.  

 

U. R. Outta here.

JannaAshley 580 pts

I haven't heard any fuss over this movie, granted I don't keep up with this sort of news. I guess some black women that are devoted to black men could have their feelings hurt, but really? C'mon, that's just silly, it's a movie.

And from looking at the synopsis: I can understand in general if people don't appreciate the female characters presented, but I don't have the energy or desire to racially analyze every freaking thing. I'm not saying they aren't valid points, I haven't seen the movie, but it's so tiring to always looks at everything that way. Like, can a movie be a movie? If some black women are really gonna be salty that Denzel kisses a white woman or she sets him on the right track, etc., then they don't have spend money to see it.

BlackGirlNerds 44 pts

I highly doubt this movie will receive lack of support because of the interracial romance between Denzel and his costar. Lets face it, his movies as of late have not exactly been Blockbuster hits, so I'm not certain if his love interest will be a game changer. I could care less to be honest. I love me some Denzel, don't get me wrong, but I'll still be able to sleep at night knowing he kissed a white woman on screen. I was a little disappointed many years ago when The Pelican Brief came out, that there was no romance with him and Julia Roberts.

zipporah 1726 pts

 BlackGirlNerds Same here: i like black/white romances no matter what direction they are from. Dont forget: we're the only groups that speak ENGLISH EXCLUSIVELY@=*D

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

Girl...I went to see it and I can attest to the fact that the whole mood changed when he kissed that womban.  I sho didn't need to see it, but its not like I wouldn't have seen it if I'd known about it beforehand.

 

My major issue with him and the white womben was exactly what was expressed in your article; the Black womben were stereotypes.  The white womban he was with was a much more complex and interesting character.

shayshay 5 pts

 Zindzi_Zenani LOL Seriously? How in the hell were the black woman stereotypes? A flight attendant and an ex wife. There's interracial relationships everywhere but now it's involving Denzel and all the sudden people got something to say. How did the mood change when he kissed her? If anything, it got better. 

Statuesque 1749 pts

Ugh.  Why do some Black women need a crutch, to have men who "forsake all others" in order to feel validated, especially by Black men?  I understand it but I cannot stand it at the same time.  These are the same women who would feel legitimately betrayed if Robert Deniro got a divorce and started dating a non-Black woman.  He is supposed to be earmarked for Black women I guess.  I'm sure if Kim Kardashian did the same Black men with this mentality would lose their minds too.  She's "theirs" now.  It's insane.  People need to move on.

Seenyc 786 pts

I haven't been to the movies in literaly over 5 years. I was considering seeing Flight, not that I am or ever have been that big a Denzel fan, but knowing this makes me want to keep my money in my pocket. I'm so over of the "white saviors" to blacks in movies(i.e. The Blindside). That is why I read and use my imagination. At least in my own mind I can have black women be valued and valued as the should.  I can't count on anyone(Hollywood) to make a decent, fair and objetive movie with black women. 

Zindzi_Zenani 1399 pts

 Seenyc YES!  I posted a status after I went to see it that said it would've been the perfect movie if they hadn't gotten on the Heroic & Virtuous White Womban Hero train.  That's just a tired ass movie ploy.

zipporah 1726 pts

 Seenyc True, but we BW have to stop actin' like stereotypes as well. Many of us still put each other down if we don't act/sound like the current stereotype.....not BBW women or women who read BWE sites..though LOL

Seenyc 786 pts

Sterotypes wouldn't bother me so much if it wasn't for the fact there is no balance with showing/portraying the many wide and varied aspects of BW. So many are stuck on the stereotype like BW don't do anything but be ignorant, loud angry baby makers for low-life BM. IR in movies has never a problem for me, I'd love to see more IR in movies and tv. What I don't love, is the lessing of BW in the movies  and in tv. I just can't shake the sense that thier is a subtle or not so sublte message being sent that  BW are not good enough or worthy. I don't over analyse, but I trust my instincs and my gut.  I've said it before in another post last year and I will say it again because it's  obvious enough for me to notice for years now, that in movies and tv, BW can NEVER be prettier, thinner or any way have her sh*t  going on more than a WW. Forget about being in a stable, loving commited relationship with a good man of any color, IF she had a love interest at all .

 

After all that, bottom  line is this; I'm not interested in in investing in anything that continues to perpetuate negativity towards BW in anyway. I'm don't argue no more. I just make a CHOICE about where I put my time, attention and money.

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

Huh? He's married to a Black woman. What difference does it make who he's with in a movie? He's an actor. I don't think Black women are that pathetic. (At least the ones I know). I recall a movie in the 80s where Denzel's character was flirting with a White woman, although I don't think they ever kissed or got intimate.

thecrazyartist 2233 pts

I honestly don't see what the problem is.  I think it's silly to get upset over him being with a white woman in a film.  I would honestly like to see more IRR on-screen and on TV regardless of the pairing, because the more people see it, the less "shocking" and "offensive" it becomes.  I would actually have more respect for hollywood if they stopped catering to bigots(regardless of the color), grew a pair and stopped following the same tired formulas they have been following since the 80's.  

 

There is really no reason for me to care about who someone else is dating and why, or why someone prefers person A over person B.  I don't like it when people infringe on my life and insult my choices, I also don't like it when people bash BW-WM pairings, so I am not going to do it to anyone else or infringe on anyones right to happiness.  The women that are upset over this need to realize the freeing effects of not caring about someones relationship on or off screen. 

 

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onmywayup 1771 pts

 thecrazyartist Yeah, Hollywood just never steps out of the box.   I got tired of it a few years ago, but then I was never too much of a fan of mainstream Hollywood movies anyway.

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

Wait.. is this even an airplane movie? 

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

I read something similar to this. The article brought up Washington and deleted scenes of Julia Roberts, and said that it's never a problem when BW are being kissed or in a romantic or sexual situation with WM. 

 

Well Pearl says.... Who gives a ****, I hate airplane movies... especially Soul Plane and Snakes on a Plane.

AminahMatthews 540 pts

Oh..and I remember there was suppose to be a kissing/love scene between him and Julia Roberts in The Pelican Brief. But that was a NO NO. 

AminahMatthews 540 pts

ummm, I saw it.....and I must admitt I did not like seeing Denzel with the white chick. A very unattractive one at that.  But for some reason I didn't mind him being with the naked spanish chick ....and she really was naked. She even had to bend over in front of him but had tape down there covering up...you know...her va jay jay. And he asked her did she have tape down there.  That's what she told the joker I mean Joan Rivers while on fashion police. Anyway, I still love me some Denzel no matter what. He will always be--IMO--one of the greatest actors of all time. The movie was pretty good but I really wanted more plane action. Just like my mom I love plane movies. But I can see it wasn't about the plane...

Lexi88 2191 pts

Not a big Denzel fan, but do appreciate his talent. As far as black women having a cow over a love scene, kiss or whatever...oh please, give it a rest! This is business, nothing personal. For those who feel a man like Denzel or any black actor in Hollywood should avoid IR love scenes, they should focus on the so called "singers" and "rappers" who parade around bashing black women and our worth, or lack thereof. 

kiki100 630 pts

Why would BW be upset over this? BW never heard of IR relations on-screen? Odd. I don't see BW being offended at all by his comments. I am not.

AJ2011 2310 pts

Die hard Washington fan, he could kiss Robert Downing Jr and I'd still be a fan. I don't find him attractive though. I like him like I like Morgan Freeman and James Earl Jones. But Denzel looks really good in a suit. #americangangster

diamondgal 431 pts

Denzel strikes me as a man who is very proud of his heritage that has a deep appreciation for black women.  Also, a very classy guy.  We are friends on Facebook and he always posts pics of he and his wife just out doing normal things.  Almost like he's "showing her off". 

 

Also, there is a recent interview on advice that he gave his daughter, who is an aspiring actress.  He said that he wants her to be like Viola Davis, since his daughter is a black woman and "dark at that", trying to make it in Hollywood.  He seems very sensitive to black women. 

BWWithOtherBrothers 421 pts

 diamondgal Just asking... you're friend with the REAL Denzel on Facebook? Cause I thought I was friends with the real Larry Ellison (CEO of Oracle) but it was an imposter, ;)

 

Yes I think it was cool he told his daughter to be a 'triple threat' and not just another pretty face also I give him props for not divorcing his wife and being there for his children.

uninterracial 948 pts

I saw the movie over the weekend and my husband and I didn't even bring up the fact that he was black, she was white, blah, blah, blah. The movie, above anything else, was about addiction; and the denial that people are in when they have an addiction. If people weren't so racist, they could look past the obviously doomed romance between the two characters and maybe realize the real reason their relationship wouldn't work. Pretty much a modern day Wine and Roses story in a way.

Bren82 1314 pts

I still want to see it, kiss or no kiss.

Brice Cameron 2067 pts

Black actors and actresses have been kind of stuck.  If they are paired intra-racially, it is a black movie and wider audiences won't go see it.  But if they are paired inter-racially , someone is going to get offended by them taking "our" men or women.  I think that any interracial relationships in movies are good and a sign of progress.  All of us need to get over this feeling of possession over people who share our race. 

R. Kamaria 854 pts

Who gives an eff? I actually thought Denzel looked great with that pretty red-haired gal. It was a nice movie that I saw last night. I am so over interracial romances being a big deal. 

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R. Kamaria 854 pts

What does it say Tye? You seem like you have a chip on your shoulder. She isn't the typically pretty blonde and I thought she actually was cute. Not because she was a drug addict. Just like dark women or short women or women with gapped-teeth, there is something beautiful about everyone. Sure these women may not be mainstream everyday, but each person can be beautiful. Seriously, what's your deal?

R. Kamaria 854 pts

Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Tye. Some people think light skin is hot. Some people think black is beautiful. Some Asian women get surgeries to widen their eyes. Other want slanted eyes. Beauty is so relative. I get that the media has an obsession with white and light. But don't go trying to throw me in the same category. Just because I think a white woman is pretty doesn't mean I don't think black women are pretty too. WTF???

dani-BBW 1784 pts

I went to an advance screening back in the summer and the IR scene really was just kind of in passing. Wasn't all that integral to the story but you could see it coming since both are addicts. You just can't win with some people. If the crackhead he had gotten with had been a black woman, you'd have people complaining about that. Sheesh!

 

Law Wanxi 5801 pts

I won't be watching this film, because I've pretty much stopped watching USA films. The only USA film that interests me is 'Life of PI', because I read the book. Mostly, I watch Chinese films with either Chinese or English subtitles. 

 

I only watch DVD's; I don't like the theatre experience of today. What is so appealing about being stuck in a dark place with a bunch of rude strangers?

 

My favourite Denzel film is 'Much Ado About Nothing' with Kenneth Branagh and Emma Thompson. He was astounding as Don Pedro

 

The last non-Chinese film I watched was 'Солярис' ['Solyaris'], a 1972 sci-fi fable without subtitles a few weeks ago. The rest of the household drifted off to surf the net, as it's in Russian. Wimps.......

 

American films are so sucky, I've watched old B&W Ingmar Bergman films without subtitles just to watch a film. I'd rather watch Max von Sydow yack on in Swedish than almost anything Hollyweird has made since 1999. 

temple 793 pts

@Law Wanxi yes, i really loved Branagh's much ado. Gotta find it on DVD.

Isn't this a moot point considering he's been married to a BLACK woman for almost 30 years?

Toni_M 18844 pts moderator

@Lovejoy I will say this: Marriage is not a viable disclaimer for ANYTHING. Marriage does not make a gay man straight or a woman chaser faithful. It does make a person moral, responsible, or honest. And it does not mean that a person who marries someone within their own race has never or would never date/marry interracially.

 

My mom and dad BOTH swirled before marrying and they've been together about the same time as Denzel and his wife. Interestingly enough my mom's take and experiences were more positive than my father's. But never the less, the point should remain that a marriage partner should never be expected to be proof of anything.

 

I will say that it's a moot point in that  he's officially off the market and his sexual and relationship preferences are speculatory. And it could be that since he's become a bigger star, he's acknowledged either that (1) he can't get away from being paired IR in movies geared at a wider audience, even if that's what he personally does not want or (2) no longer fears negative repercussions of appearing on screen in an IRR with his fans and future role prospects.

 

Brenda brought up Mississipi Masala, but it occurred to me that it was the type of movie a lot of white movie goers probably did not see and have never heard of. And since the relationship involved two non-white people, the movie probably didn't bother black people as some people feel that "IRR involving people who aren't white don't count". So, I dunno.

 

It's really all speculation at this point. A better question would be why are black women more concerned with who black actors hook up with on screen than our own image and representation?  

Jamila 7217 pts moderator

 Toni_M  Lovejoy "But never the less, the point should remain that a marriage partner should never be expected to be proof of anything"

 

Which makes me think of how Jessica Simpson's parents just got divorced after 34 years of marriage because Simpson's father is gay. 

onmywayup 1771 pts

 Jamila  Toni_M Wait...what???!

SisterRainbow 208 pts

 Jamila  It is hard to hide in Hollywood forever. At some point, a photographer might see Joe somewhere doing something to someone. Hahaha! I don't see this affecting his daughters' careers.

Toni_M 18844 pts moderator

 Jamila  onthewaydown Between his makeover and the incriminating tweets to a 20-year-old gay male, I'm also admittedly finding myself skeptical over the denial. 

Criticalthinker 385 pts

 Toni_M  Lovejoy Good articulated point Toni...

Brenda55 19475 pts moderator

My take.

1. The brothers can love how they want. I. Don't. Care. I got all that out of my system when I grew up and realized that I did not give two shakes about what black men did or who they were doing it with. I don't check for them.

 

2. Hollywood grow a pair an put IRR's on the screen.  Oh wait they do. And some people holler about them in what ever combination they are presented. Others run out and see the film just to see the IRR. Keith and I are guilty of that one. 

 

3. You all know I love me some Scandal and Tony Goldwyn. On some of the Scandal sites wanna know what the discussion is? You guessed it  Fitz and Liv and why isn't Liv with a brother. So this mess goes both ways.

 

4. Denzel had a non-bw love interest in Mississippi Marsala. ( And he wore the hell out of that uniform in the Mighty Quinn but I digress). So what is the big deal? 

 

5. Forget Danzel.  How about Clive Owens and say Viola Davis paired up in a flick. I would so see that. Colin Firth and say Angela Basset. Hugh Jackmen and Hummmmmm  Thandie Newton? 

 

6. http://www.imdb.com/list/KL_s2rbZXN0/  Look at this list of prospects. Anyone of the would do great in an IRR flick. Don't think they would have trouble finding a male lead to star opposite any one of them. 

EarthJeff 3334 pts

 Brenda55 " Look at this list of prospects. Anyone of the would do great in an IRR flick."

Personally, I think that EarthJeff guy would do great in an IRR flick too.  I hear he has skills.  Any takers for someone to play my opposite?  Maybe in the new Swirling movie that I hear will be coming out?