Question of the Week: Young Black Woman Victim of Colorism, Wants Tips on How to Attract Men Across the Melanin Spectrum

Question of the Week: Young Black Woman Victim of Colorism, Wants Tips on How to Attract Men Across the Melanin Spectrum

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“First of all I love your site, I log on everyday. My name is Nikki and I could really use your insight. I am 22 and from southern New Jersey; here being a dark skinned female is often frowned upon in the black community and black men have little interest in me. The few black men that I have dated I found only wanted me for sex. Not being that type of girl I couldn’t understand why that was. Finally I asked an ex-boyfriend why he felt like I wasn’t (what we often say in the black community) “wife material”. He responded “I don’t want my children to come out too dark”. From that moment on I decided that I would look at other races when looking for a mate. For years I have only been able to attract the attention of Hispanic men, and while I’ve had some wonderful relationships I have always been attracted to white men as well. I often see them look in my direction and stare for a minute , I smile and then either they look away or just keep staring but never actually speak to me. I have great teeth so I know that’s not what’s keeping them away lol. What can I do to make myself more approachable? Should I approach them instead?

First Nikki, I want to give you a cyber hug for all the colorism you’ve had to deal with from your own people. It’s a sad fact that many blacks don’t couple with darker-skinned blacks for fear their children will come out gasp!! dark–because everyone knows that about the most horrible thing to be in the world, or it’s some awful hereditary disease that future parents should pre-screen and engage in batteries of tests to try and prevent the dreaded tar-baby-itis. This is a remnant of slavery and a pathological infatuation with a European standard of beauty, I’m afraid. Lucky for you that you’ve got plenty of options, and there’s a world of men out there who REALLY think black is beautiful, and not just some empty feel-good, no action platitude. You are entitled to love and respect, and not to be viewed as some “jump off” or object to be sexually exploited because some folks more obsessed with color and hue than the Crayola corporation. I think you’re smart to keep all your options open and gravitate to those who will love, appreciate, commit and respect you in the manner that you deserve.

As far as the approachability question–it sounds as if you’re doing two to the most important body language tactics a woman can employ. You’re making eye contact and flashing those gorgeous chompers. Believe you me, there are TONS of men across the melanin spectrum who think there’s nothing more beautiful and alluring than the contrast of smooth dark skin against pearly, white teeth.

But…

As far as you making the first move, I generally don’t recommend it. Mostly because when I’ve tried it, I struck out big time. There’s a reason for that. Despite all feminism has done to try to even out the roles of men and women, they can’t kill a man’s primal need to engage in “the hunt.” Like it or not, men like the pursuit and the chase. But that’s not to say women have to sit at the sidelines and just wait to be picked by whatever lame-ass comes along.

Setting is Key

You’ve got to get to places where you can meet and mingle a bit for some period of time to allow for more time than just a simple eye exchange. Janice talks about this very thing in great detail in chapter eight “You’ve Decided, Now Get Busy: 52 Ways to Find a Date” in Swirling. While you might leave closing the deal to the guy, there’s a few things you can do to help him along. For instance, if a guy is just standing there grinning at you for longer than about three seconds, or repeatedly looks and smiles in your direction, take my friend Matthew Hussey’s advice and say something like, “It’s okay to come and talk to me–I (mostly) don’t bite.”  And once you’ve made a conversational connection, employ the use of your eyes, your smile and your hands to connect with your target. If you like his shoes, tell him so. If he tells a funny joke, laugh and lightly touch his forearm to emphasize a point your making in conversation. All this is very old fashioned I know but women who understand and have mastered the art of making a man feel important reap the benefits. You can’t argue with results. Happy hunting, chica!

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ElfeV 7093 pts

 Karla  that's too cute!! lolz

Karla 18226 pts

 Elfe I liked "weed dating".

TeeVee 278 pts

Nikki, you're in South Jersey?  Girl, NYC is only about a half hour, hour tops away from you by train!!!  Men from all over the world are there!  I don't know if you're in college, or what you do for a living, but dreams can and do come true there (consider a move).  I would not be wasting my time getting the worthless opinion of some SJ clown about who I am.  You're better than that.

NicholeMTucker 11 pts

 TeeVee

 I actually attend college in Virginia.I'm just here for the summer to visit my family. I'm graduating in December with my bachelor's in Communications. I absolutely hate snow and have always said I wouldn't move back North after graduation. Other than that I have no idea where  I'll end up. It all depends on job offers.

Toni_M 18799 pts moderator

 NicholeMTucker  TeeVee Best of luck! o/

Karla 18226 pts

 Elfe Excellent advice here, particularly the hanging out with WM and having them as friends.  I had this one down from jiump.  My best friend in high school was a WB.  My best friend in college, WM.  Entered the Navy, full of WM and many were friends as well as colleagues.  It works!

ElfeV 7093 pts

 Karla " I had this one down from jump."

 

LOL! Same here, they were just always around(friends and associates of my brother, cousins, dad) so I actually never gave it a lot of thought. It was just normal life. I remember a friend in college saying that he knew the 1st day he met me that I couldn't have been from his area of the country because I was so friendly and relaxed. I thought that was kind of weird BUT

in retrospect, he might have had a point.

 

(btw, I'm not 'special snowflaking' myself but my thought is that how you view people can make a difference in your interactions.)

 

...I hope this doesn't come off as snotty, lolz, but I'm just not impressed/awed/frightened/thrilled/suspicious by mere 'whiteness'/'otherness' . LOL I guess it's because of how I was raised? I wish I could think of a clearer way to express myself but that's close enough for now I guess.

 

Later in life, when I actually started dating I think it made a difference. Those early friendships and just everydayness of ppl looking different lets a lot of racial crap & possible anxiety around coloring recede, IMO. You are free to focus on other things like if you two have compatible goals and worldviews, if he's true to his word etc.

Karla 18226 pts

 Elfe I know exactly what you mean.  I was raised the same way.  My high school was a DoD school so no racial stuff there.  Everyone was comfortable with each other because our common denominator was our fathers in the military and being American in a foreign country.  It was actually quite nice.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

See, this is exactly why I felt it important to post the commentary I found on Black Girls Killing It, with the black dude parading around some long distant Cherokee gene talking about how he doesn't date black women but he'll sleep with one - with protection, because he doesn't want full black children. That is why its important for such information to be available in safe spaces, so that hopefully less black women will have to fall victim to men like this, so they'll know to avoid him in the first place.

 

Later on, I went on Twitter and the owner of BGKI, a black man presume, Tweeted that out of 10 negative messages gets on his site (which is about celebrating beautiful black women and their fashion), 9 of them are from black men spewing hate about black women. He went on to Tweet, that he now understands why more and more black women are dating interracially, because so many black men are just thankless, lost and color struck. 

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VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 keepintouch08 Check out my posts in "Time to Address All this “Men Are Men” and “The Myth of the White Knight” Memes" - I participated a lot in that topic so you may have to scroll down a bit. But you'll know when you've found it.

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

 VintageNarcissa Wow to the BGKI owner's observations.  Good that he's letting everyone know his findings. 

Patricia Kayden 1673 pts

WOW.  This colorism issue is really alive and well in the "Black community". And it only cuts against Black women.  I've never heard any stories about Black men being rejected for being too dark.  In fact, you frequently hear praise for Black men for being "dark chocolate" complected.

 

All the best to this young woman.  Hope she takes the wonderful advice from commenters below.  She should also consider attending a mostly White college/University.  Would love to hear an update from her in the future.

Bren82 1312 pts

Perhaps she should leave the black community where she resides, even for a short time, like traveling or working in a different state if suitable. In my experience it worked for me and was how I met my husband, who was from an international summer work-exchange program. There are many ways and places to meet non-black men other than the Internet and bars.

Tammy_Ghalden 862 pts

I've always been annoyed at people who give the recommendation to frequent places where men congregate. I frequently buy bullets, practice shooting, and take professional courses with other men. The only men who approach me are ghetto black and Hispanic men and illegal immigrants. Maybe it's time for me to move.

Karla 18226 pts

 Tammy_Ghalden I have a membership at a range and when I go to practice my shooting skills, I have never seen women approached there.  Most of the men seem to be in their zone and the only thing they'll be looking at, lovingly, is their weapon.  I admit, I do the same.  I have gotten looks of surprise when I go in but when I start shooting, that's it.  I think we can safely say that a shooting range is not the place to meet men and that may be a good thing.  The only thing one should be focused on when shooting at a range is the activity at hand and safety.  Even when not on the range, most of the men I've seen are boasting about their weapons, drooling over the latest acquisition in the shop or having a serious discussion with a gunsmith.  I have noticed that the women who go there shoot, pack it up and leave, which is what I do.

oekmama 1047 pts

 Karla you might want to consider doing something 180 degrees from that... like visiting a museum, taking a cooking class, or even a guided tour of your town/city.

If you feel you're not getting the results you want, change up JUST one thing and see what happens.

Karla 18226 pts

 oekmama I'm married and have been for 19 years.  I was validating her observation about shooting ranges, that's all; they are very man-rich but definitely not for flirting.  Your suggestions are good, though.

DU2 2161 pts

 Christelyn    regarding that idiot who told her  he did not want "dark" children you said  "This is a remnant of slavery and a pathological infatuation with a European standard of beauty, I’m afraid. Lucky for you that you’ve got plenty of options, and there’s a world of men out there who REALLY think black is beautiful, and not just some empty feel-good, no action platitude. You are entitled to love and respect, and not to be viewed as some “jump off” or object to be sexually exploited because some folks more obsessed with color and hue than the Crayola corporation."Well said!

 

As for this young lady she is only 22, I am glad she is figuring it out EARLY and she will meet her guy sooner than later!  I hope more 22 year olds listen and get out of Blackistan!

DeepWater 2453 pts

 DUsher  ex-boyfriend didn't want "my children too dark".....this meme/trope is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, TIIIII-YERD (tired).    Lawd, when will the BC let this die the death it deserves?.................When?

NicholeMTucker 11 pts

That you so much, this was really helpful. and thank you for the "cyber hug" lol.

 

~Nikki

Bren82 1312 pts

@NicholeMTucker Nikki, the world is yours. It's up to you to decide how to navigate it. Keep your eyes open. Life is an adventure so fly like a bird. Freedom is in the air.

emmerdale94 142 pts

I'm a twenty-something black woman in DC and I've found the best way to find the type of guys you want (for me it's preppy white guys) and have them actually approach you, is to try engaging in a couple activities that your "type" of guys are likely to be involved in. First and most obviously, it puts you near them - the guys you want can't approach you if you don't put yourself within their vicinity. Second, at the very least, it keeps you social and active. 

 

Personally, I've had a ton of luck joining a bocce ball group, becoming more active in my college's alumni club (I went to a preppy NE college) and volunteering for a local political campaign. In my experience, more guys approach me in these activity-oriented settings because they already know/assume that at the very least, we share an affinity for that particular activity. I also think it makes it easier for guys to approach women (regardless of color) when you're in an activity group because it's expected that you become friendly with the people you're hanging out with. Guys can approach you under the guise of "just saying hi to someone in my group" rather than the potentially ego-crushing "there's this hot black chick standing in the checkout line next to me...what if I say hi and she gives me a weird look?!"

 

I should also point out that if you join a sport league or a bookclub or whatever and don't enjoy it, don't keep doing it just for the off chance of having guys approach you. But I've been surprised at how much fun it is to try things that I wouldn't normally do. So give it a try...you might be pleasantly surprised by an uptick in guys approaching you.

SirLoinDeBeef 2490 pts

While I agree that you shouldn't be the first to ask, it would only be smart to put yourself where single WM are - so, think about:

* Big Box Hardware Stores - stand around the hardware section, perhaps hold a piece of this or that, and look 'lost' - perhaps say, "I'm really not sure how to use this" ... and wait.

*Gun stores and meets - you don't need to be a gun nut to know ant WM are attracted to things that go BANG - same tactics as the hardware store.

* Autio Supply store - same tactics.

* Camping/outdoors store (REI or similar) - you don't need to kjnow anything about camping, or even do it, but there are a lot of single WM  who are there.

* Boat show, in-water or in a auditorium - despite talking an unintelligible language, that and simiular places SWARM with single WM.

You get the message ... go where the crowds of single WM are likely to be - DON'T TAKE YOUR GIRLFRIENDS - be prepared to listen a lot.

Honestly, I wish I'd seen a lovely single chocolate maiden at the last boat show I attended, decades ago - but, instead, I bought the da*ned boat, instead.

ElfeV 7093 pts

 SirLoinDeBeef 

 

"* Big Box Hardware Stores - stand around the hardware section, perhaps hold a piece of this or that, and look 'lost' - perhaps say, "I'm really not sure how to use this" ... and wait."

 

"* Camping/outdoors store (REI or similar) - you don't need to kjnow anything about camping, or even do it, but there are a lot of single WM  who are there.

* Boat show, in-water or in a auditorium - despite talking an unintelligible language, that and simiular places SWARM with single WM."

 

Major co-sign for these! lolz! Excellent suggestions!

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Elfe @SirLoinDeBeef The REI super store here is full of white guys, it's white dude-o-Rama. I used to meet a lot of white guys at beer fest, white guys love a good beer & so do I LOL.

ElfeV 7093 pts

 eugeniaberg   Elfe  SirLoinDeBeef  for the slightly younger (or hell older too i guess..lolz) I'd add comic book shops/Cons and Ren Faires. I can blame my brother and cousins for intro-ing me to that bit of practical nerddom. lol

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

 Elfe When I was younger I was never really into anything that would have a predominantly blk crowd, simply b/c I was interested in other stuff and my parents had taught me, no one was better than me (on the race front) so whiteness never intimidated me. I never thought of comics shops but I wasn't much into comics but if I had been I would have been there. Yea those great records stores where they sell actual LPs. There are a lot of places to meet white guys, now it depends on what kind of guy she wants to meet. One of the reasons my husband and I got together was our mutual love of beer. Most guys don't think ANY girls like beer but I do and I like a good crafted beer or microbrew and I know a lot about beer. So he was so impressed that when we'd go out I'd order beer, knew what to order and knew many of the local brew pubs he knew. It pays to have diverse interest. 

keimiasmoon 1034 pts

 eugeniaberg   Elfe  SirLoinDeBeef REI in my city also has classes and seminars. You should check those out too. 

sMoriarty 505 pts

 eugeniaberg  

Record shops are a great place to meet guys! But don't go *just* to meet guys though. Don't be a phony, they'll see through that immediately, and it'll just make you look desperate. My boyfriend and I met at Ameba (huge record shop in Los Angeles). We're both music nerds; I think between us we have enough CD's, Vinyls, & LP's to fill an entire room (a small room; but a room nonetheless lol) I think a lot of "music nerds" respect African American culture; as it has contributed SO much to a lot of modern music. Its really nice to hear your culture praised once in a while lol. Btw; I'm in so much Internet love with Anthony Fantano, "The Internet's Busiest Music Nerd."  He's introduced me to so many new bands/artists (and he's a real cutie pie too lol). This is him with his girlfriend for their valentine day video. They're both glowing! 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCiGx_aFXE8

 

As for how to attract other men. There really is no definite answer to this question. Different people are attracted to different things. And not everyone is going to be into you (such is life). The best advice I can give is to find out what your hobbies and interests are. And then go from there. Sign up for a creative writing course at your local community college. Volunteer at an LGBT youth centre. Join a meetup group for hiking. Sign up for pottery classes. Hang out at your local record shop. Ect, ect, ect. The possibilities are endless. Just be pleasant, and approachable (ie: don't mean mug anybody). You'll be fine. 

 

and remember to bathe. Bathing is ALWAYS important! :)

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@sMoriarty Oh I agree don't go anywhere you don't like or you're not into, one reason I didn't visit comics shops :-)

ElfeV 7093 pts

 sMoriarty  eugeniaberg  "...We're both music nerds; I think between us we have enough CD's, Vinyls, & LP's to fill an entire room (a small room; but a room nonetheless lol) I think a lot of "music nerds" respect African American culture; as it has contributed SO much to a lot of modern music..."

 

Music nerd couple here too! 

Even though we met online, we did *a lot* of bonding at record stores LOL ...Amoeba & Rasputin's here and there it was FNAC, Gibert Joseph, Virgin, Urban Music, Crocodisc & CrocoJazz....and smaller random shops here and in France.

 

Going to concerts was often a good thing too

 

....& when single and looking I was asked out several times by guys i met at shows so if you're into a band/artist go see them when they're in town!!  It's a win either way, just bonus if you meet some cool people.

 

 

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@keimiasmoon @Elfe @SirLoinDeBeef Yea u live in the land of REI, their corporate headquarters is here. I love that place, need to head back to buy a snowboard.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Elfe @sMoriarty See there's so many ways to meet the guy of your dreams doing what you like. Woo hoo!

ElfeV 7093 pts

 eugeniaberg   sMoriarty  oh, I loooooove comics or rawhther ...[i] graphic novels. [/i] hahah

 

but yes, definitely don't bore, pain/injure yourself just to be where the guys are BUT

don't stay in yer hidey hole or in your usual routine and complain that you're not being approached.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Elfe @sMoriarty I concur on both.

sMoriarty 505 pts

 Elfe  eugeniaberg  

I love comics/graphic novels too! Comic-Con started today, and its *KILLING* me that I won't be able to attend this one (I usually go every year). Damn you previous engagements you're ruining my life! ಥ﹏ಥ

 

And I defiantly agree on both as well. It doesn't hurt to try something new, but if you really aren't interested you shouldn't waste your time. Even if you do meet a guy; you don't want the foundation to your relationship to be built on one big ole lie. Just be honest. 

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@sMoriarty @Elfe Yea there are certainly enough guys that share your interest to find someone you have something in common with.

Oneof thegirls 214 pts

 eugeniaberg   Yeah I hear the west coast is great for meeting non-black guys.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Oneof thegirls Well I don't know about anywhere else but PNW has been an absolute boon.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Oneof thegirls The only caveat I give about the west coast is the guys white guys that date IR date across the board, my husband had dated a bw previous to me but he'd also dated an Korean woman and a couple of white chicks. So you can't intimidated by other non-bw out here. You have to understand if he's with you it's b/c he wants to be.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

I mean I live in the land of REI, dang iPad.

NicholeMTucker 11 pts

 Elfe

 Funny you should mention this, I was a huge theater geek and in Chamber Singers and Overtones in HS. Plus I've studied Opera while in college. I frequent records stores but when I do it's with my father (sort of a tradition we have). Maybe if I leave him home I'll have some luck lol. Thank you :)

ElfeV 7093 pts

 NicholeMTucker  "...Maybe if I leave him home I'll have some luck lol. "

 

lolz! that reminds me of going to boat shows(like SirLoin mentioned) with my parents. It never ever occurred to me go to one alone later in life. I remember always feeling sooo bored nearly to tears. hah! OTOH I can see why it would be a good place to go as a single woman.

Brenda55 19359 pts moderator

 eugeniaberg   Elfe  SirLoinDeBeef 

"white dude-o-Rama"

Girl you are too funny!

Shermy 21 pts

 sMoriarty OMG! Thank you sooooooo much for introducing me to this couple! LOOOOOOOOVVVVEEEEEEE them!!!!

Law Wanxi 5786 pts

 SirLoinDeBeef 

Agree on REI. It's just more than camping, there's hiking, rock climbing, bicycling and a bunch of other outdoor stuff. 

 

Go by yourself. My advice about 'Wingmen', "it only takes one man to talk to a woman", applies equally to women. Besides, most girlfriends will sabotage you whether they realise it or not. No girlfriends. The only valid place for a wingman is in air-to-air combat.

 

Rock climbing and mountaineering, which is back-country hiking at elevation and land nav with a map, are extremely White. How White? You'd have to soak polo, lacrosse and crew in Clorox for a week to get them not quite as White as rock climbing. Some, not all, REI stores have in house rock walls and so do some colleges and universities. Outside of the military, I've personally never seen any non-White man doing technical climbing and rappelling, other than me and I was just practising for military stuff, so even I don't really count. If you take classes, you'll learn to rappel the proper, safe way in the right style and not the way I do it.

 

Find things that interest you about outdoor life and forget all that "Things White People Like" stuff about outdoor activities. It's not about race, it's about socio-economic class.

 

Have fun and keep your lines tight and your carabiners locked!

 

 

Brenda55 19359 pts moderator

 Law Wanxi  SirLoinDeBeef 

"Find things that interest you about outdoor life and forget all that "Things White People Like" stuff about outdoor activities. It's not about race, it's about socio-economic class."

 

Well said. 

DU2 2161 pts

 SirLoinDeBeef  you said "go where the crowds of single WM are likely to be - DON'T TAKE YOUR GIRLFRIENDS - be prepared to listen a lot."  I AGREE I learned the hard way men do not like to approach  you when you have a herd of women surrounding you. Leave "Miranda', "Samantha", and "Charlotte" at home!