Ralph Richard Banks Joins the Commenters at Beyond Black & White

“… I have been struck by how vehemently some black men oppose black women’s efforts to expand their options to include men of other races. … All this while black women confront the smallest pool of viable partners within their group. Yet some suggest that black women should…wait for a black man, put their life on hold, or put up with relationships problems that would never wish for one’s own daughter. I try to understand this, but frankly it puzzles me. Women may regard black men as brothers, but those brothers don’t love them as sisters.” — R. R.Banks

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Ralph Richard Banks, the Stanford Professor who wrote that controversial book (see BB&W post Mr. “Is Marriage for White People?” Himself Talks to BB&W), commented on one of our recent posts(That Awkward Privilege: Invisible Irony – The Mixed Power Status of Black Men). Here is what he had to say:

This post raises some important points and is certainly correct in its central assertion: that in the African American relationship market, men have too much power and women have too little. This power imbalance disadvantages women in myriad ways and contributes to a discord that ultimately makes African American relationships more difficult to form and sustain.

In talking to people about my book, Is Marriage for White People? I have been struck by how vehemently some black men oppose black women’s efforts to expand their options to include men of other races. Black men marry across racial lines more than twice as frequently as black women, and Asian Americans and Latinos marry outside the group more than three times as frequently as black women. All this while black women confront the smallest pool of viable partners within their group. Yet some suggest that black women should…wait for a black man, put their life on hold, or put up with relationships problems that would never wish for one’s own daughter. I try to understand this, but frankly it puzzles me. Women may regard black men as brothers, but those brothers don’t love them as sisters.

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Ebony82 7 pts

Going to get "The Book" from the library today! I'm excited to read about what RR Banks has to say.

Brenda55 4388 pts

This is a full hour presentation from Dr. Rick Banks about his book

Is Marriage for White People.

He gets indebth about what his book is about with out interruption and the attempt to delute his message. For those who have not yet the book this is a decent substitute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tkMsLNxJUo&feature=related

Toni_M 4842 pts

Brenda55 You know what I most respect about this man? He is EVERYWHERE. I mean this book is absolutely controversial and a lot of people are mad, but he is just banging away at that drum, trying to share as much info and insight as possible, as vocally as he can. A lesser person would have went into hiding when the poo started hitting the figurative fan, but he seems determined to get his message across, a message that's very important to a lot of black women and their situation.

That is an act of love and compassion, and ironically that would make him a "good brotha" (given his education, background, and desire to be upfront with BW about what we ought to do for ourselves), and yet, he will be demonized for daring to speak in the honest best interests of black women everywhere. It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

ForestElfQueen 2112 pts

I'm married to a Frenchman but still anxious to read this book. Off to order a copy! I've been watching clips on youtube. I think he's spot on.

iHeartLove 105 pts

"That Awkward Privilege" link is not working.

A Friend 10 pts

The one thing I've never been able to get over is the idea that although BM don't date and marry BW all that often, they feel empowered to date any color woman they wish and the world actually accepts it???!!! But when a BW dates or marries a WM, BM and the BC are incensed and call her a traitor. The only losers here are BW and the WM who love them. Will someone please explain this to me.

hclark 81 pts

I read Mr. Bank's book and found it full of interesting and enlightening research. The book was excellent and I invited some of my girl's to read along as well so we could dialogue about it. I will tell you these are things that a single professional women such as myself has been noticing for some time now. But to have all of the statistics and personal stories right there in black and white, my girlfriends who were so closed minded before are awakend to all of the new possiblities and are also aware of the "crumbs" that we have been recieveing from the so called "brothas"! I definitely recomend this book to everyone I see, I passed it on to my MOM! lol!

MDNA2 419 pts

Mr. Banks is telling the 100% truth.

StephG 14 pts

I will definitely add this book to my reading list.

glamdoll 496 pts

HI...newbie here....I can't wait to read Mr. Banks' book. I'm always amazed when I talk to people that try to encourage BW to stay loyal to the BM and the BC!!!!!!! A black guy told me this week that I had been primed and brainwashed (he was a complete stranger). Hmmm......being primed and brainwashed never felf so good.

reem11 363 pts

glamdoll Hello glamdll, glad to be here. And yes I look forward to reading his book as well. You know the saying the "truth will set you free". This BW has been set free alone time ago. And yes it feels so good. Not being primed and brainwashed but have a brain to know the difference.With God anythings possible and I know he will and is working behind the scences for those who are being treated unfairly.

reem11 363 pts

BW would be foolish not to pursue their own happiness not based on what BM/black community thinks. If they are willing to cross racial lines. Ralph Richard Banks gets it. I do believe many other BW will too. My heart breaks when I see these young BW without a suitable mate. Years ago a friend of mine's son dated white girls at the time and it was OK. But when it came to her daughter, my friend said her husband did not want his daughter to date white boys. So baised . BM have always wanted the support of BW/black community,but have not been supporters in return. Wise up ladies and go for love/suitable mates. And this does not mean you are a hater of BM. It means you love yourself and deserve to be love and get love in return.

Monique8 412 pts

"[Black] Women may regard black men as brothers, but those brothers don’t love them as sisters."

^THIS^ right here...

The vast majority of BM are not my "brothas". It took a few years to wake up from the matirx to disengage emotionally and psychologically and physically leave the Black community, but I did. I took a clue from the "brothas" and decided that what is good for the gander is good for the goose. I can honestly say I am totally indifferent to BM. I neither hate them or like them. The exist in my periphery along with their issues and dramas. They are no more important to me than the fly on my wall. I give them no mind, no attention, no energy. Their issues are their own and their fate is their own. BM have always done what is best for them and so will I.

"Women may regard black men as brothers, but those brothers don’t love them as sisters."

Truer words have never been said, IMO

P.S. this is the same Monique for prior posts. When I signed in to LiveFyre I screwed up and had to change my username :) Also there seems to be a character limit as to how much one can write. What is that limit, Chris? Thanks

lavette 6 pts

Can I get an AMEN!....on this?!

Patricia Kayden 543 pts

Good for Mr. Banks for telling it like it T-I-S.

Jay from Philly 665 pts

It's like an ex-lover who cheated on you and broke up with you but doesn't want you move on. Black men aren't alone in this "taking our women" mindset. There's a certain kind of white woman who goes out exclusively with Black men, usually because they love bad boys and the hypermasculinity of Black men. Not content with just having the Black boyfriend they need to flaunt their Black King in front of other white women to show what they think the other white women secretly wants, flaunt their Black King in front of white men to make the white man feel inferior, and flaunt their Black King in front of Black women to rub the Black women's face in their men being taken. It causes the wiring in the brains of these white women to snap when they see a white man with a beautiful Black lady. No, the look of shock on their faces says, we're supposed to live out our Mandingo fantasies and you're supposed to remain alone and upset about it. You two aren't supposed to get together! Yes it's happened to me.

Brenda55 4388 pts

There are black men who do the same sort of thing. May both of these immature sots find each other.

modernmystic 105 pts

Jay, when my oldest was in first grade, he met another biracial girl (black dad, white mom). The little girl told her mommy that there another "mixed" boy in her class. I'd met the mom, an "around the way white girl. She told her daughter that my son WAS NOT MIXED because she'd met me. It was beyond her comprehension that a WM would marry a BW. She then had the bad manners to explain this to me after she'd seen my ex with our son. Geesh.

mahogany 242 pts

modernmystic Now that lady displayed some deep ignorance right there. SMH twice on this one.

jess1 109 pts

"Women may regard black men as brothers, but those brothers don’t love them as sisters.” — R. R.Banks

Can we make this quote into a bumper sticker?

Brenda55 4388 pts

I have said this before and will repeat it often. There is nothing to prevent a black woman to explore and expand her dating options. I happen to agree with the BWE bloggers who say that we should not be concentrating on what black men are doing or thinking. A lot of these men have voted with their feet and are putting rings on ever other kind of woman but black ones and the others tacitly approve.Beyond that the social climate has change over the past 3o years. The threats to the BC and not what they were. I happen to agree with Jay that the white community is for the most part indifferent to what is going on in the black community. They have bigger fish to fry these days.

Black women who what to chart their own course can do so. A door has been opened and all one need do is walk out.

I will never forger a demonstrations I say years ago about the balance of power in a relationship. It involved two people a man and an woman. The man was told to stand up on a chair. The woman was positioned crouched on the floor next to the chair. the man was then told to put his foot on the woman's back. When asked how he felt he had to admit that he felt in control of the woman and powerful. The woman stated that she felt like dirt and vulnerable. The woman was then told to move. When she did this throw the man off balance. Sure he did try to assert control by pressing down harder by the more the woman bucked him the more unbalance he became. He needed her in the position she way in to maintain how own position.

I saw this demonstration in college in the 1980's. It's lesson is germane to the issue of black woman expanding their marriage pool. We can. Black men will not like it and will try to maintain the status quo but in the end the power is in each and every black woman's hand. Black men and the black community will just have to put their foot on someone else's back to maintain balance.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts

Brenda55 says I happen to agree with the BWE bloggers who say that we should not be concentrating on what black men are doing or thinking.

I say: I've always believed this, I still think that you can uplift bw and never have to mention bm even for bw that are new to all this. Giving bm too much attention, even if it's negative gives them way too much power.

The Working Home Keeper 1495 pts

eugeniamitchellBrenda55 "I still think that you can uplift bw and never have to mention bm even for bw that are new to all this. Giving bm too much attention, even if it's negative gives them way too much power".

I agree! I'm here to help other bw who have decided to pursue happiness for themselves with non-bm.

Toni_M 4842 pts

Brenda55 I recall reading a blog post by Halima where this BM troll basically said he was not going to leave her and the posters alone because they were "his" and "he couldn't let them" basically plan to better their lives in a way that did not involve black men. This is the mentality of a lot of black men. In another post, a man had written her to say that black women could not survive without black men.

Of course, we know this to be a crock; black women can certainly survive without black men, and no one is anyone else's property.

But it made me realize that so long as BWE exists, we will NEVER be able to cut BM out of the discussion. Why? First, many women are, as bloggers like Halima and Evia have said "waking up" from the Matrix that is the modern black community at different times. They are not at a place of understanding that allows them to connect the dots. These are conversations that need to happen for the benefit of women who may need to fully realize where they are, and how they can get from point A to point B. Obviously, some of us are farther along and these aren't conversations that we need to have, because we're sitting at point B drinking champagne. Second, and this one is much more annoying: Black male control freaks will not let themselves be removed from the equation. Not willingly. As more quality black women take heed to BWE bloggers and Mr. Banks's advice, you will see more and more of these demented persons popping up and attempting to control the minds and discussion of black women at places like this. So, we will never really be rid of them. Even when we don't mention them, they'll still turn up. Ironically, when we've removed them entirely from the conversation, I feel they are more likely to turn up.

So, I'm of the opinion that if it has to be mentioned, at least we are the ones discussing our feelings, observations, and making suggestions to others who are trying to deal with life outside of the Matrix.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts

Toni_MBrenda55 yea they'll show up, don't mean you have give them a platform or let them speak. I wouldn't call my blog BWE but I do speak to black women on different subjects and mention bm only in passing, I'm not trying to stroke their ego and I've had bm try to interject themselves there but no pushes agendas on my blog but me. It can be done but no one's really tried it yet. I still say it gives them too much power b/c what they end up believing is that b/c you talk about them so much, you must still want them, it's the male mind. Even if you say negative things about him, don't matter to him, he turns that into a ego-stroke. It's sick but when your a sociopath or NPD all you want is for the person you want to victimize to acknowledge you. Enough of acknowledging sociopaths and NPDs.

Toni_M 4842 pts

eugeniamitchellBrenda55 Actually I wouldn't mind blocking them out of the conversation myself, but then, believe it or not you will have black women posters saying that it's not fair that they aren't able to contribute or accusing this of being a hate blog because these people cannot POSSIBLY possess the evil and vicious mentality that they are being accused of.

TBH, I think seeing those comments in black and white help force these women to see exactly what sort of people we're dealing with, how they really feel, and it may help make up some minds.

Also, I'm not scared of these persons. You are right, we don't have to engage them, and we certainly don't have to allow their comments on our blogs. I think it falls into two camps: the presentation of "teachable moments" through the unflinching view of understanding the mentality of the black community and what we're dealing with or shutting these persons completely out and only talking about certain subjects.

Ultimately, it's up to whoever's blog it is what direction the blog takes.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts

Toni_MBrenda55 But you know why I say that I think many bw are what I called a clandestine abuse situation with bm. I wrote a blog about it actually pertaining to my ex-husband http://wp.me/p1LNjf-3R but it's apropos here. Many BW are being abused (emotionally) and don't even know it. It's by men who sociopaths and NPDs and the one thing I do know about these kinds of ppl is acknowledgement equals power for them. When you cut them off, you take away their power. I can understand ppl wanting to have teachable moments but you can go through here and get many teachable moments this blog is filled with them. I understand why BB&W does it but you also must understand that when you do it, one of the unintended results maybe is that you give the abuser and that's what these folks are, you give them a sense of power. You feed their personality disorder. Because when ppl say things like 'I'm never going to let you go' that's abuse, now you may not be fully effected by the abuse or even know you're being effected but it's still abuse and he's still getting his sense of power from the acknowledgement.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts

Toni_MBrenda55 And I think it's actually created PTSD in some women. Abuse, even abuse that you may not be aware of effects you as a person it changes you.

Christelyn 3210 pts moderator

eugeniamitchellToni_MBrenda55 You guys, the core of BB&W, will have to be a bit vigilant with this new platform. But what's great is that you can flag trollish comments and I'll be immediately notified. So now in a way, we can all police our turf. ;-)

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts

Christelyn Toni_MBrenda55 We can, that''s awesome Chris, I know you want some 'see it to be believe' stuff but with all the stuff I've learned about emotional abuse, sociopaths and NPDs, I don't want any other bw abused under the guise of even trolling or the ever present 'this is the internet, I have a right to my opinion' crap. No one has the right to abuse anyone and yes much of what the trolls do is abuse even when it sounds nice.

Toni_M 4842 pts

Christelyn eugeniamitchellBrenda55 Cool. :D Didn't realize that.

Soul_Incites 242 pts

eugeniamitchellToni_MBrenda55 Precisely. As someone who endured a very emotionally abusive environment growing up (both at home AND at school), I have zero tolerance for that toxic behavior.

Brenda55 4388 pts

Toni_M

You make many valid points particularly where you say that black men inject themselves in the conversations of black women. I agree with you. You are also correct that while many of us are on the other side "drinking Champagne" there are others just starting their sojourn. Thanks for reminding me of that and thanks for your post. All good points.

Toni_M 4842 pts

Brenda55 I remember a few different blog mistresses letting through posts simply because they had to be seen to be believed. It's amazing to me, because it's obvious in my mind we're dealing with very dangerous and unstable persons, who do not want us to succeed and live well. But for those who have not fully grasped that, there's nothing like hearing it straight from the horse's mouth.

We can talk about our points of views, and our solution, certainly. But sometimes, reality needs to be thrown in the faces of people who are newly acknowledging that something is wrong, and even those who aren't willing to see that something is wrong.

I don't think of it as for my benefit or about me specifically, but about someone else.

LovingMyself 193 pts

I just wanted to add that though I'm not yet "drinking Champagne," I'm one of those youngins' beginning my journey.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts

LovingMyself Welcome you have a full, wonderful life ahead of you.

mahogany 242 pts

LovingMyself I'm now drinking champagne, I just wish I could have someone (right now) to drink it with lol.

Toni_M 4842 pts

Brenda55 Though I will admit it would be nice to have a space where you can discuss things relevant to your interests without people who clearly have nothing to do with the matter showing up and going "well you know what I think?!"

gagagirl 61 pts

This confirms a thought I had a few yeards ago regarding a guy I met before I found BWE. To make a long story short it turned out he never wanted to date me, he was never interested in calling me his girlfriend, but for some reason he seemd to always want to come around and flirt with me. It was as if he liked the idea and the thought that I liked him though he had no interest.

Before long I recognized that it was all apart of his ego and he was simply using my desire for him as a pedestal where he can place himself on. He even went as far as to tell others how much he disliked me, even went on to date and become serious with another girl yet always tried to hold my hand when others were not around. ( this was high school).

I remember saying to myself a few years later, after I learned the hard way, that never again was any man going to use my emotional interest in him to build his ego. He's not going to build his "throne" on my back by degrading me, dragging me along with no intention of giving reciprocacy just so he can beat his chest like tarzan with pride.

gagagirl 61 pts

this above topis was to Brenda55

Toni_M 4842 pts

I go back and forth between feeling sorry for women who think like this, and feeling that if you are foolish enough to waste your entire life at the beck and call of a community that does not care about you, then so be it.

I feel like we can only afford to worry about those women and girls who are open to self-preservation. I mean how insane is it that you have such a large group of people who have no concept of survival of self being a rational concern as opposed to "selfish". Even the tiniest animals know that putting self first is a good thing and that if they don't, they're dead.

"Women may regard black men as brothers, but those brothers don’t love them as sisters."

It's funny because I have referred to other black women as my sista or myself as a sista, but I never call any male outside of the three biological ones I have, "brothas". I don't have any feelings of kinship with most black men. It's not a matter of hate or bitterness - I just don't feel that connection. I feel like you don't say it to someone unless they've proven themselves to be worthy of being considered on that level of connection.

mahogany 242 pts

Toni_M As far as the word "sista", is it just me or does anyone else have a strong disliking for that word? To me that word means OBLIGATION. I don't like that word, and I don't like when people try to call me that. The word "brotha" makes me want to throw up lol.

I began to feel that way sometime last year I think. The TRUTH from the BWE blogs had a lot to do with it.

Any thoughts or shared feelings?

Christelyn 3210 pts moderator

mahoganyToni_M I'm not fond of the word either--honestly, when I hear it from a black man, it sounds as if it's some assertion of control, a reminder of where my loyalty should lie. When non-black women say it, it just sounds corny. -_-

Toni_M 4842 pts

Christelyn mahogany I guess I only mind it in certain contexts, and those are usually the only contexts where I'm around people I think well of and or who support me. I've never been referred to as "sister"/"sista" by some stranger now that I think about it, in real life or on the forums. And I don't pay attention to it when it's being used by people I don't know who aren't referring to me directly, because I do not feel anything towards them, so I don't feel "addressed". So I guess that's why I don't have any negative feelings about "sista" if that makes any sense.

But I *do* have negative feelings about "brotha"/"brother", as I have had "obligational" tones directed at me under that guise by persons not familiar with me, and certainly not worthy of the endearment.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts

mahogany When people call me sister, I turn to them and say 'are you a long lost relative of mine?' or 'Is your mom's name Brenda because if not we're not related.' That usually gets a puzzled look or mean mug, then conversation over and I go on my way. I'm sorry I'm a snarky smart a$$ can't help me, always will be. Toni_M

modernmystic 105 pts

mahoganyToni_M Mahogany - its not you!! I can't stand it when black men or women refer to me with that word. As far as I know, my parents only had 3 children.

Karla 2845 pts

Truer words were never spoken.

Jamila 2824 pts

I am a complete Ralph Richard Banks stan. I'm going to buy his book for my step-mom for Christmas; if not for the holidays then soon after. Obviously she's a married woman but she is part of a book club and by her having the book it may get into the hands of other black women that she is in the club with. I've also been regularly checking out Mr. Banks' website for the book and listening to the interviews he does as well as the articles/reviews of the book. As far as I'm concerned I can't promote his work and the work of the BWE bloggers enough--black women need this information. Even if all black women don't TAKE this information to heart, at least I can say that I did my part to make sure my fellow black women had every chance to hear the truth and to know what situation they are facing in the relationship market. What those black women choose to do with that information is ultimately--as always--up to them.

I must also say that I'm glad Mr. Banks pointed out that every black man talking about "the sistahs" is not behaving in a brotherly fashion towards black women. There are several black male bloggers that call black women "sisters" in one breath and call them everything but a child of god in the next. To these black men they are just using the term "sister" as a facade to hide their hatred of black women doing anything to help themselves when 'helping themselves" doesn't mean waiting for the trickle-down benefits of helping black men first.

eugeniamitchell 3484 pts

Jamila No one is my sister or brother unless we are related by blood and have the same parents. That's all been a facade to me for bond between blk ppl that is non-reciprocal especially in the case of bm when it comes to bw. Dr. Banks is correct and so is Aaby in this aspect bm hold power and ppl who have power are not about to give it up willingly. But you know what bw have power too but for many of us, we don't know and if you do, we don't use it. Well I took my power back long ago, bm can hate on me all they want. That will not change my mind, not impact my happiness or my choices. I live for me, this is my life and I'm planning on being as happy I can possibly stand. Black men who are hating can choke on their hatred for all I care.