Why Do We Always Have to Be Reminded that “White People Do It, Too!”

Why Do We Always Have to Be Reminded that “White People Do It, Too!”

When black people act up and are called on being scumbags by people who are not black, the issue isn’t that the persons in question are scum, but why black scum isn’t treated as well as non-black scum. Yes, let’s completely ignore the whole “scum” thing in the name of racial solidarity.

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Something to scratch your head about during Domestic Violence Awareness Month…

Whether it’s sexually assaulting children or the unrepressed violence and hatred toward black women, there will always be one rebuttal that we can count on from the GAT-DL: “White people do it, too!”

Concerned about the commonality of rape among underage black girls? You shouldn’t be because, “child molestation is a white crime. Those white men are nasty.” Feel like it’s disgraceful and shameful that black people go out of their way to cover for abusers, sexual predators, and other variations of human filth? Oh, you’re overreacting! Other ethnic groups partake in this behavior as well. Clearly that means we’re just like everybody else!

But wait, when black people act up and are called on being scumbags by people who are not black,  the issue isn’t that the persons in question are scum, but why black scum isn’t treated as well as non-black scum. Yes, let’s completely ignore the whole “scum” thing in the name of racial solidarity.

In any case, I have heard variations of the above all my life from numerous sources and sick of it is the understatement to end all understatements regarding my feelings on the matter.

It is one of the pettiest excuses any human being can put forth regarding the ugliness so common within the black community. It is a hallmark of cowardice and the rallying cry of evil. Because evil needs other evil to continue. You notice how these people don’t look to the good in other people to tell themselves that this behavior is wrong and should stop. No, they look to the bad to justify the continuation of hateful and hurtful actions against the most vulnerable among them.

 

“White People Do It, Too!”

 

 

……..And?

 

No, I would seriously like to hear a VALID justification for why what sick twisted thing another person or group does makes what you do okay. Is that what you’ll tell the judge at your trial? “White people steal so I figured it was okay for me to get mine.” Is that what you’ll tell the surviving family members of the black girlfriend you shot and killed during an argument? “Well, you are all overreacting because white people kill more of each other than we do.” Is this what you’ll tell your wide-eyed six and seven year old daughters before you tuck them in at night? “I know your Uncle Steve has been touching you, but you aren’t to tell anybody and I’m not going to stop it. But at least he’s not white. Since it’s white men that’s really bad about child molestation.”

 

 

“White People Do It, Too!”

 

GAT-DL, if all the white people on Earth jumped from the Brooklyn Bridge, would you do it as well?

Of course you would!

Since you need so badly to follow after the worst examples of white people no matter how much you’d like us to think otherwise.

 

“Divide and conquer”? You are already defeated, so there is nothing left to conquer. As much as you promote the fantasy about some outward conspiracy to eliminate you by “The Man” or the white populous, the truth is no one gives a damn about you. Don’t even bother with the facade of indignation regarding this fact because you don’t give a damn about yourselves either.

Any group of people that can go out of their way to excuse predatory behaviors, blame the victims (even innocent little children!) for the despicable acts committed by others, and turn their backs on involving any kind of justice system to stop the murdering, raping, and beatings cannot flatter themselves to think they are even worth considering a threat in need of being destroyed. These backward folks are fixated on a “white enemy” as responsible for their crimes against themselves. It’s easier to pretend someone else is to blame for your own problems than to fix them.

 

 

“White People Do It, Too!!!”

 

 

Dear “Guardians of All Things Dark and Lovely”:

One of the most annoying things about this particular meme of yours is that you spend SO MUCH time trying to convince everyone else what a victim you are of “white people holding you back”. Yet one of the first things out of your mouth when you are caught doing something wrong or want to justify the continuation of doing wrong is that “white people do it, too.”

Thereby, from your own lips, confirming what everyone else has already known: You in your hearts desire to be slaves. You are so twisted by the brainwashing of white racism that you are in love with white racists and feel the need to do their bidding. You are a sister soldier to the cause of every white hate group on the planet.

You are in fact “guarding” all things dark and lovely while your adopted master is away and destroying as much of it as you can before he gets back so he can give you a pat on the head for it.

 

But in order to throw everyone else off the trail, you have to put on an act about “blackness” and how much you love yourself. But I’m not buying it. “Black is beautiful” does not mean ostracizing your darkest women and telling them how ugly and unwanted they are. “Pride in blackness” does not mean coddling and protecting and excusing murder, rape, and robbery and throwing black women under the bus in order to keep guilty men out of jail. And “black solidarity” does not mean looking for excuses to justify the startlingly high rate of murder of black women by black men.

 

“That’s an over-exaggeration! Black people need to stick together and not let these white people-”

 

I see you coming and I’ve got your number. “White people do it, too!” is code for “Our white racist leaders have decreed our blackness unfit to exist upon this Earth. Following their noble example, we will do what we can do degrade and murder ourselves until we are no longer a stain upon their land. Won’t our KKK brethren be pleased?!”

 

So GAT-KKK, understand that this is just one of MANY reasons why when you start in with all your talk about how I’m not “black” enough, you need not confuse my vacant indifferent stare with anything remotely resembling having taken you seriously.

 

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SisterRainbow 208 pts

Hello Toni. For some reason, my username will not show up on the newer posts. I cannot sign in or post comments/questions on any of the new articles. A message keeps stating that SisterRainbow is not the correct username. Can you assist me with this, or is there a main person that I can email to see what's going on? Thank you, Toni.

SisterRainbow 208 pts

Well, it seemed to fix itself, at least with this post. Later Monday, I will see if this problem arises again when I attempt to comment on one of the newer articles. Goodnight. :)

tracyreneejones 3607 pts

I expect more productive dialogue in the comments than what's going on here rig now. How about some of you mosey on over to the "Why can't Black women get along" blog instead. I get confused, how others get confused and then can't get passed their confusion on the topics presented. If you can comment in soliloquy then you can just as easily pen an article addressing your particular take on a topic. I come here for brain food and civility, it seems others need a way to vent. I'll stop now before I say something rude, true, but rude. *peace fingers*

MixedUpInVegas 1654 pts

Posting anecdotal incidents of white people behaving badly in no way addresses the point of this discussion.  Pointing out that white people are treated differently than other ehtnic groups in the criminal justice system doesn't change the fact that there are too many blacks who behave criminally, often victimizing their own people.  If using these examples of non-issues to this discussion somehow absolves the Black community of any obligation to take a stand for their own safety and social wellbeing, then go for it. 

 

I "get" the point of Toni's article, and it is none of those things.  I support her thesis and applaud her bravery for standing up and telling the truth that is clearly hard for many to hear.

Karla 18246 pts

 MixedUpInVegas See, this is why you are so awesome. Thanks for expressing your (and my!) thoughts so succinctly and rationally.  I thought what Toni said was very clear so had nothing to add.

DU2 2205 pts

 Karla  MixedUpInVegas Ok now that we have had another word from the mutual admiration society  (No you are awesome, no you are more  awesome more, no you are more more awesome, no you are more more more, ad nauseum..). I will say this one last thing and I too am bowing out. Reasonable minded adults have the ability to discuss and dialouge on a matter without resorting to emotional "only one person can be right "combat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When a topic is discussed, there are going to be different responses becasue peope have different expereinces and views on any given topic. It does not mean anyone has to sign off or agree, but it would be wise to consider instead of deciding only one way can be right. In debate class in school, you are required to debate  pro or con on different topics so that the debater can see the topic from the other persons point of view and if the person is open minded they will at least consider instead of closing their ears and going "la la la la la la"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Toni very well expressed her point , but again there are always two sides to every story and not every single story is the same  that is why I mentioned a few comments back that not every black person that says WPDIT is defending dysfunction but pointing out that poor behavior is not unique to the black race, but to the human race and a person can point that out without defending blackistan. And if people are going to make what they consider to be "infallable" statements like "Whites always handle criminal behavior right" then expect people to do some fact checking. If your statements is correct then there is nothing to worry about!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is my understanding when people post a topic, there is going to be dialouge, passionate agreement, disagreements, etc. I do not think any person posts on this blog with the expectation there is going to be a bunch of mindless drones responding, "yes she is right and no one else, yes she is right and no one else, yes she is right and no one else......"  if that is what anyone is expecting, they are on the wrong blog.

Karla 18246 pts

 DUsher  MixedUpInVegas What you have said is true.  I, however, never said anyone was right or wrong.  On this particular topic, my thoughts have been the same as MUIV and I said so.  I do admire this particular person so felt the need to tell her.  It's just the way I am.  I said nothing accusatory in my statement nor did I imply anyone should be a "drone".  Her thoughts resonated with me.  That's it.

Neecy 1941 pts

I'M BOWING OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION and throwing up the deuces on this one.  It has completely gone off the reservation into something quite disturbing IMO. 

 

 

DU2 2205 pts

 Neecy when it comes to criminal behavior  blacks and whites are not judged the same. This is not defending poor behavior but if I am getting what you are saying and I stand corrected if I am wrong that  whites react to blacks the way they do and you don't blame them because after all whites don't put up with that nonsense from their own really? Please watch this clip  and tell me that they hold their own accountable. The two guys are actors.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0kV_b3IK9M

Toni_M 18978 pts moderator

Okay, people seem determined to miss my point. So I'm going to spell it out in black and white. Because there will be no more shenanigans on my watch:

 

 

1.) Are you a criminal? Are you a thug? Are you a scum bag, drug dealer, pimp, prostitute, are you a strung out crack addict who will cut someone's throat for a fix? Are you a woman who has allowed her child to be repeatedly sexually molested by her boyfriend/husband/another family member? ARE YOU SOMEONE WHO IS TRIFFLING AND AN ENABLER OF TRIFLING BEHAVIOR? YES OR NO?

 

If yes, this post is directed at YOU and your tired foolishness. 

 

 

2.) If you do not desire to be mistaken for the scumbags and deviants that I mentioned, then why on Earth are you sitting here clutching your pearls on their behalf? Where is your concern for the black women and girls in harms way? Why are you so wrapped up in what ANY dysfunctional person does, rather than say....getting the heck away from them? Because believe it or not, white racism does not mean you willfully allow yourself to blend in with predators, murders, and rapists, and their enablers so that black solidarity wins. Predators roam free, and what have you gained?

 

 

3.) Someone brought up the Boy Scouts. You can also bring up the Catholic Church and the Penn State scandal. Guess what? We all know that there are scumbags of various races and ethnicities. That remains NOT THE POINT. The point is that you as a person should NOT be fixated on what scumbags and deviants do because that is not supposed to be who you are. And if you do not want to be mistaken for one, you do not put yourself in that line of fire.

 

I wrote about not making yourself a target. This is what I mean: When you leap into the line of fire regarding something evil and unpleasant, something that has nothing to do with you (are you predator or a scumbag? Why care what happens the predators or scumbags?), you have no business complaining about being mistaken for the target.

 

 

I care about what happens to me as a black woman, I care about my safety and well being. FIRST and FOREMOST. Because that is what it means to be aware of what is most relevant to you as a surviving member of the human race. Then you start to worry about those persons around you to whom you are equally yolked and whom you have mutual ties to.

 

 

Black women are DEAD. D-E-A-D and they ain't coming back, because they allowed themselves to be D-U-P-E-D into sister soldiering over protecting black hoodlums, enabling predators, and then telling themselves they were immune from the snake's bite because of the color of the snake. White racism will mean NOTHING to you or your loved ones if you make it your business to stand shoulder to shoulder with DBR psychopaths, and purposely overlook the fact that they are the greater threat to your person.

 

 

When that black criminal murders you, let's just say they won't be putting "white people do it, too" on your tombstone.

 

 

Godspeed.

Tammy_Ghalden 870 pts

 Toni_M People aren't missing the point; it's just that the people here are anti-intellectuals who make assumptions without any scientific basis. The disparity in crime rates has more to do with socioeconomic classes than cultural differences among the various ethnic groups. Unfortunately, black people are more likely to be poor.

 

You keep on bringing up this safety thing that has NOTHING to do with what the opposing voices are saying here. I have guns in my home to protect myself from people, period. I don't trust anyone when I'm out at night regardless of race. I live mostly around Hispanics, so Hispanic criminals are the biggest threat to me right now. But like I said, I treat everyone the same and assume that everyone can pose a danger. 

Toni_M 18978 pts moderator

When I say shenanigans, I mean derailment. This post is not about how "white people do it, too" is a valid argument. It just isn't.

 

Because as a sensible law abiding black woman who isn't walking in darkness, I do not expect you to be concerned with people who are, except TO AVOID THEM. 

 

The racism we experience as black women from non-blacks  is a completely different conversation than discussing issues that affect us as black women dealing with dysfunction in the black community.

 

"White people do it, too" is never, NEVER, simply put, introduced into conversation's concerning the latter in an on topic manner. Don't believe me? See our recent posts on the sexual abuse and rape of black women and statistics regarding our safety in intimate relationships with other black people.

 

This argument was brought up along with "slavery" and "white racism" in an attempt to SHUT UP the people sharing their stories.

 

 

WPDIT is never used to have enlightening discussion: It is used point black as a derailment tactic by persons seeking to co-opt black women and get them to be so focused on outsiders/the enemy/white people, that we can go back to ignoring the danger that black women are more likely to experience from their own so-called community THAN the white racists we are warned about.

 

 

So please, let's STOP pretending that this post was about anything other than what I said: Derailment of black women's discussions and issues and the promotion of silence and cooperation with dysfunction.

 

 

thecrazyartist 2252 pts

 Toni_M

 "WPDIT is never used to have enlightening discussion: It is used point black as a derailment tactic by persons seeking to co-opt black women and get them to be so focused on outsiders/the enemy/white people, that we can go back to ignoring the danger that black women are more likely to experience from their own so-called community THAN the white racists we are warned about."

 

I actually agree with this.  WPDIT might seem like a valid excuse, but when I hear it it's like saying  "white people do it and get away with it, so it must be OK" or "why can white people get away with it and not me?"  it misses the point entirely, NO ONE should be raping women and children, stomping women and children to the floor, stealing, dealing drugs or running an illegal business, or covering for a criminal that is a threat to society NO ONE SHOULD BE DOING THESE THINGS REGARDLESS OF RACE PERIOD. 

 

Are there racist cops and does racism still exist? Absolutely, but that does not mean that it is hindering you from being able to be a good citizen, human being and being able to make something of your life and do something positive.  Should other races be put on a pedastal for not allowing dysfunction? No, you are supposed to be a law abiding citizen so you do not get brownie points for doing what you are supposed to do. I am aware that white trash exist, but that is beside the point.  This is a discussion about black women and girls well being and the attacks on them are more likely to be carried out by a member of the BC than a white racist.

 

Allowing the myth that "all cops are racist and just want to send black men to jail", to prevent you from alerting the authorities that a child molester/rapist/murderer in the vicinity is wrong.  Sure there is scum of all races, but covering for scum in the name of racial solidarity is detrimental to the BC, especially black women.  Just because white people or people of other races may get away with more than blacks doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye.

 

You are supposed to want to be better than scum, your time and energy shouldn't be spent wondering why white scum is treated better than black scum, and the end of the day both are nasty.  The focus should be getting trash out of our lives and distancing ourselves from it. Regardless of the color of that trash.

 

The truth of the matter is that members of the BC are a bigger threat to black women and children than white racism.  Compare the numbers of black women and girls killed by white racist over the last 25 years to how many have been killed by members of the black community and you will quickly realize that white racism is not a threat.  WPDIT is a delrailment tactic to get BW to shut up and "unite" with the very people who do not give an eff about their well-being. 

Jamila 7310 pts moderator

I would add this: Yes, white people do it too. But white people are more likely to get away with it too because they have greater wealth, are more likely to come from two-parent homes, have more social capital, etc., In other words, white people have more of a safety net that black people just don't have and thus black people really can't afford to do some of the mess that white people are more likely to get away with. 

 

For example, we have two girls: a black one and a white one, both are in college. Both girls sign up for credit cards, run up the bills and are thisclose to ruining their credit for the next 10 years. The white women comes from a married, two-parent household. When her parents find out that their daughter has run up her credit cards they immediately cut up the cards, pay off the balance, and then both parents add the daughter to their own credit cards as a co-applicant to raise their daughters' credit score. Crisis averted. 

 

When the poor black girl ruins who credit, who is going to come to her rescue to pay off her balance and raise her score back up? He father whom she hasn't seen in ages? Her struggling single mother who has two other kids to take care of? She can't help herself because she has no idea how to manage credit and she has no savings. She is the first person to have a serious shot at becoming middle class in her family. And now she has all but blown it by mismanaging her finances. 

 

For black folks the margin of error is razor sharp and when they mess up there is no safety net. So instead of saying, "white people do it too," they need to be saying "yeah, white people do it too, but they can afford to do it and I CANT". 

 

 

 

 

Neecy 1941 pts

 Jamila How about people just do the right thing instead of always focusing on what other people are doing and getting away with? If you know you shouldn't be taking out credit cards b/c you have no safety net and can't pay them back,  it doesn't matter what White girl is doing or getting away with. YOU do not take out a credit card. 

Jamila 7310 pts moderator

 Neecy You missed the point (s): 1) The young black girl DOESN'T know this..until, of course, it's too late. (2) this puts black people in a position where it is even more important for them than for white people to do the right thing, as there is no safety net to save them from screw-ups. 

Neecy 1941 pts

 Jamila I clearly understood the point.  You still were using the White people do it too "but they can get away with it" which is still IMO pandering imo to  Black dysfunction.

 

The point I was making is - why even point out that "white people get away with it" and use your head?

 

A Black girl at the college level knows she doesn't have a job to pay off her credit cards or parents to help her financially. She is not stupid an therefore should not be taking out credit cards. PERIOD. it doesn't matter what WHite people do adn get away with. If you know you do not have the means to make payemtns on your credit cards you shouldnt take them out.

 

Maybe the WHite girl understands she too doesn't have the means but knows she has parents who will rescue her, so she takes the risk.

Jamila 7310 pts moderator

 Neecy " I clearly understood the point."

 

No, you still missed the point, but that's OK. 

thecrazyartist 2252 pts

 Jamila  Neecy

 I get where you are coming from Jamila, I grew up in small town middle class america and this scenario is all to common.  Might I add that the women who come from two-parent married middle class families are more likely to have talks about finances with their parents and are more likely to be more financially savvy than the black woman in scenario two.  I will admit I was a hot mess when I first moved out on my own(bigger city, more shopping=disaster) being the overbearing parents they are mom and dad immediately wired me money for food and rent, then watched over me like buzzards by roadkill until I got my act together.  They also gave me  a stern talking to.  I didn't ruin my credit, but came very close to it(missing a car or rent payment can really mess you up).  Mom and dad bailed me out.  Am I proud of this? No I am not, I am actually ashamed to admit it.  Am I happy to have a safety net? Yes I am, as overbearing and nitpicky as my parents can be I am grateful that they were there.

Neecy 1941 pts

R@Jamila no I understood it. Sayingg "they can get away with it" is pretty much the same to me as taking the onus of responsibility off of yourself. Either way we're both obviously "missing each others point" and we'll agree to disagree! :)

Tammy_Ghalden 870 pts

 Jamila White people are also less likely to receive jail time because they can afford better lawyers. Then, there was the disparity between crack and cocaine sentencing. Black people are more likely to be in possession of crack and white people were more likely to be in possession of cocaine. Those in possession of crack got tougher sentences before the law was changed several years ago. White people, in general, are more likely than black people to abuse drugs and alcohol. 

Jamila 7310 pts moderator

 Tammy_Ghalden There was an article some time ago by Michelle Kellar in the Chicago Tribune about open air drug markets. One of the pieces of information that stuck out to me was that blacks and whites were about as equally likely do be doing drugs, but since poor black people were more likely to be buying their stuff in open air markets--where the police can raid--while whites were more likely to be doing drugs in the privacy of their homes. If your rich, your drug dealer can make a house call to deliver the stuff to you. So who do you think is more likely to get picked up for drug use: the blacks buying drugs in the park, or the white investment banker doing cocaine in his living room? 

 

The point I'm making is that blacks have far less leeway to make certain mistakes than white people, in part due to the economic disparity. Poverty compounded with racism makes is much easier to get caught up in stuff that you can't as easily get out of.

Tammy_Ghalden 870 pts

 Jamila Exactly. The number of people locked up in jail is not a direct correlation to the number of crimes being committed. It's not surprising that black people are more likely to be caught because they are more likely to be targeted. 

DU2 2205 pts

 Jamila  Tammy_Ghalden Jamila Exactly!!

DU2 2205 pts

Jamila Yes  thank you for pointing  that out. Toni addressed a valid and very good point with this post and it was not lost on me. The point that messed up dysfucntional black who use WPDIT to coverup behavior they have NO INTENTION of fixing is established, I get it and she is 1000% RIGHT. As I aforementioned not every black person that uses that phrase is defending black dysfunction some are pointing out that this behavior is not unique to blacks alone.  I am concerned with  some of the commenters overly romanticized view of how whites deal with dysfunctional behavior as if it is perfection in a bottle. I agree with you because they have more money, means, and the ultimate ace, white priviledge. The penalty for their behavior is not as severe as many times for the same behavior or worse. Little kim got a year in prison for perjury, Paris Hilton got 6 months PROBATION for cocaine possession. It is proven that blacks receive longer sentences for the same crimes that white offenders commit.  Again I am NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT defending horrible behavior and do not adhere to the WPDIT,  but this cannot be ignored or overlooked. the playing ground is NOT the same when it comes to crime and dysfunction when blacks and whites do it. It is not that they handle it better, it is because they can get away with alot more.

 

 

 

Regarding people referencing the "Honey Boo Boo" crowd of trashy whites, it is not just them, the "old money" crowd has their share of scandal and destructive behavior that would make Blackistan look like a country club. The Kennedys, for example, murder,rape, and other horrible behavior has ran throughout that family  but i have never seen a Kennedy in prison or held accountable for anything because they have the money and the name to make sure it does not happen.  I have also heard story after story of  whites  with money and means  who blame blacks for their crimes and they are BELIVED! Susan Smith drowned her kids  but told the police a black man kidnapped her kids, there was a wealthy white man who killed his pregnant wife also told authorities it was a black man. A white girl threw acid on her own face and blamed it on a black woman. So tell me again that whites 1000% handle criminals and dysfunctional behavior BETTER???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My brother  works for a major network and sometimes because of traffic he is sometimes a few minutes late, there are several white guys who work on his shift who are late 15 to 20 minutes EVERYDAY, but the supervisors always tear my brother or the other black guy on his shift a new one but say NOTHING to the white guys who are late every single day. It is not that whites are better at dealing with problems with their people, It is that the penalty is not always as severe therefore they can get away with ALOT. So what you said, "So instead of saying, "white people do it too," they need to be saying "yeah, white people do it too, but they can afford to do it and I CANT" was very right on. Whites can do it too, because they can and they know it! It is a "luxury" we cannot afford. And using the WPDIT is not helping matters because we are not judged by the same standard for the same behavior.

 

Toni_M 18978 pts moderator

 DUsher  Jamila  LOL, I feel like the only person that has not watched that Honey Boo Boo show. 

SisterRainbow 208 pts

 Toni_M  I haven't seen it, and would never do that to my mind. But, I did see the chubby boo boo girl on YouTube with her mother. So sad. LOL

MixedUpInVegas 1654 pts

Something seems to be getting lost here.  This isn't about putting white people on a pedestal; it is, instead, pointing out how differently whites and Blacks deal with the felons, sociopaths, wife beaters and other miscreants within their respective races.  I don't need a study to prove what my own two eyes show me nearly every day--that we defend or make excuses for our social deviants whereas whites ostracisize, punish and openly run from theirs.  Such behavior "normalizes" social pathology and criminality, or at the very least looks the other way rather than using social pressure to discourage it.  What whites do has nothing to do with the fact that social deviance is destroying the Black community with our tacit approval.  As people of color we should not be winning the "race to the bottom" of economic, educational and societal achievement with any other ethnic group.  THAT is what I got out of Toni's article.

Karla 18246 pts

 MixedUpInVegas Thank you.  That's what I got as well.

Neecy 1941 pts

 MixedUpInVegas THANK YOU!! I stop debating with people once they use the typical argument of "putting White people on a pedestal" once you start pointing out how Black people differ (more on the bad end)  in how they handle and deal with things compared to other races.. Clearly no one here denied dysfunction with Whites. If people don't understand what the real discussion is here then its not worth me debatng with them anymore.

 

Thank you for summing up what the real discussion is here!

Toni_M 18978 pts moderator

 Neecy  MixedUpInVegas UGH, I am so happy my fundamental point is being driven home in this post.

 

 

Toni_M 18978 pts moderator

 MixedUpInVegas  As you should have because that was my fundamental DRIVING POINT. When it comes to your mental, emotional, and physical safety and well being as a black woman today, you are being derailed with the WPDIT nonsense, because it ALWAYS, WITHOUT FAIL, used as a derailment tactic.

 

See our previous posts on the MURDER AND RAPE of black women and our statistical likelihood of victimization.

 

See what people were tripping over themselves to say and how irrelevant it was to the real time safety concerns of black women and girls.

 

Those were not KKK members and it wasn't white racists. But you would have thought asking black women to take their personal safety seriously and hold questionable persons and ideology accountable was in league with every hate group in America.

 

 

 

Speaking about black dysfunction is seen as making you an enemy or a traitor. @Chrystelyn is being cussed the holy hell out right now for daring to talk about the protection of sexual predators within the black community. Rather than out this dysfunctional behavior, black women are told to shut up. This is attempt to silence, manipulate and control the minds and thoughts and actions of black women has nothing to do with white racism.

 

White racism in these conversations is a RED HERRING, and anyone who believes otherwise does so at their own risk.

Tammy_Ghalden 870 pts

 Toni_M  MixedUpInVegas  Chrystelyn Because millions of black men hold a convention every year and plot ways to brainwash black women. 

 

Again, what does this have to do with black women's safety? Saying that "white people do it too" is not a denial that these things happen in the black community. 

DU2 2205 pts

 MixedUpInVegas  yeah like they " immediately" dealt with the Jerry Sandusky case. What I mean by immediately I mean it was covered up for YEARS.

Neecy 1941 pts

I also want to address what Tammy was saying about why people say "WPDIT". I don't think its because they feel picked on as a group. Anyone who is adult with eyes and a brain can see that there are many things that happen and that people do across color lines. When Black people say it they are saying it bc they don't want to have to work on the problem they are being confronted about. No DUH. There are WHite men who beat women. No Duh there are Asian and other races of men who do horrible things to women and children. But what the hell does that have to do with pointing out how Black people need to improve in these areas.

 

I notice how White people deal with dysfunction in their culture for the most part and in their communities. They don't go "well Black people do it too!" They create all kinds of programs and awareness campaigns and things to help the women and children  in their communities. Domestic violence awareness and all that stuff is from WHite people willing to police their behaviors and not sit around and say "well all other races do it too".

 

Black people have ALWAYS had a problem with accepting responsibility b/c they have a "crutch" to use *RACISM*. While racism is very much well alive its still not enough to where Black people cannot fix obvious dysfunction in their communities.

Tammy_Ghalden 870 pts

 Neecy No, their answer is black people do it more. I've heard this a lot, especially in racist forums.

Neecy 1941 pts

 Tammy_Ghalden  My point is that for the MOST part, White people accept responsibility for their dysfunction and we see the proof of this in the many awareness campaigns and public outcrys for women and children amonst other things.

 

They do not sit and wait on Black people, or Asians to change their problems.

 

You DO NOT see this in African American communities unless its some Black boy/man getting bet up by White police or some other need to freedom fight for Black men being wronged by WHites.

Tammy_Ghalden 870 pts

 Neecy Do you have any studies to back up these assertions? Do you have a poll showing that the majority of black people do not have unfavorable views of rapists and murderers? Have you never heard of black, non-profit organizations? They do exist and there are many out there.

Toni_M 18978 pts moderator

 Neecy  Tammy_Ghalden "My point is that for the MOST part, White people accept responsibility for their dysfunction and we see the proof of this in the many awareness campaigns and public outcrys for women and children amonst other things."

 

Exactly. White people do not align themselves as a group with dysfunctional behaviors. They separate it from themselves. "White people do it, too", but best believe you have another group of white people ready to skin persons alive over their ugly evil behavior. One major example is the Penn State scandal. When this stuff comes out, anyone trying to align themselves with the predators is drug mercilessly through the mud.

 

As they should be.

 

 

Neecy 1941 pts

 Toni_M  Tammy_Ghalden EXACTLY. As narcissist as WHites can be better believe they do NOT want to be aligned with the "trash"  of their race and they have no qualms making it well known either.

 

They also for the most part do not defend the trash of their race and will often mock and make fun of thier stupidity and ignorance. this is a way of seperating themselves from them so not all WHites are lumped together  being likened to the low caliber people of thier race. White people love to be respected and THAT is the main reason they strive to keep a balance as a people.

 

If Black people cannot understand this, then oh well!

Neecy 1941 pts

 Tammy_Ghalden You are using straw mans. lets back up to what I *ACTUALLY* said.

 

I don't need *STUDIES* of anything b/c it clearly shows to anyone with two eye balls and a brain tha Black Americans do not CARE to deal with the trash of their race that causes these negative views of Blacks in general. Instead we want to pont to other groups "who do it too" b/c Black Amricans are generally lazy and do not want to improve their situations which would require SELF EXAMINATION and WORK.

 

How do i know? because we glamorize the trash of our race and reward them. We clear;y do not value education and have no shame about it. Even the so called "good Blacks" do not say anything anymore b/c they are constantly dragged through the mud for speaking up against the ignorance tarnishing the image of black American culture. Any Black person who refuses to go along with general ignorant and lazy Black groupthink  or who values education is called a "sellout" or "bougie" or "TRYING TO ACT WHITE".

 

WHITE PEOPLE work feverishly to constantly balance out the trash and good of their race. THE GOOD decent Whites use their power to keep the trash of their race at a very far distance and away from helping to create this notion that all or most WHite people are like that or support being a certain way. And they do this by CREATING CAMPAIGNS and other awareness things to deal with the obvious dysfunction in their communities and culture.

Kathy Henry 246 pts

 Neecy  Tammy_Ghalden White people glorify their trash also by giving them reality tv shows such as "Here Comes Honey Boo". You will never see a reality series about an overweight single Black mother with four children one of whom is a teenage mother. Black people have any issues but I refuse to put white people on a pedestal as the standard of goodness in society.

keimiasmoon 1059 pts

 Kathy Henry  Neecy  Tammy_Ghalden There actually was that show about that overweight Black family. She lived with her boyfriend who was the father of their kids. She wasn't married and worked to support all of them. To their benefit the show did try to show them as "wholesome". 

Kathy Henry 246 pts

 keimiasmoon  Neecy  Tammy_Ghalden What was the name of the show? I bet it did not last a hot minute and did not become a pop culture sensation.

Jamila 7310 pts moderator

 Tammy_Ghalden  Neecy I've actually seen surveys that stated African Americans were TOUGHER on crime than white people, most likely because blacks are more likely to be victims of crimes. 

 

I'll have to search to find that info though. Google has not been my friend today. 

Neecy 1941 pts

 Kathy Henry  Tammy_Ghalden  (1) Honey Boo Boo mom is not a single mother.  She is  married and living with her husband who is the child's father.

 

(2) Pulling out a few instances here and there of trashy White people is veering from the overall discussion we are having. It doesn't matter how many trashy WHite people are on television - what we are talking about is HOW WHOTE PEOPLE handle the dysfunctional of their race compared to Blacks.

Neecy 1941 pts

 Jamila  Tammy_Ghalden Jamila,

 

I would actually find such a survey laughable based on the crime rates amongst African Americans and how Black males are "never responsible" because of RACISM and a justice system that "targets" them. No amount of surveys can convince me that Black people really take crime seriously and have a real desire to curb it. When we look at Black communities compared to others its clear who takes crime seriously and who is tougher -- and it aint Blacks.

 

Also why do most Black people who "make it" and are financialy stable move out of traditional Black areas and neighborhoods? To not deal with the craziness.

 

Granted there are still a few thriving safe Black communities throughout the US, they are very small portion to the overall B/C.

Kathy Henry 246 pts

 Neecy  Tammy_Ghalden By sweeping it under the rug and pretending that poor whites do not exist.  I agree wholeheartedly with every word in the article but I refuse to put whites on a pedestal. I am not concerned with white people and how they live their lives. I just want blacks to get their shit together.

Neecy 1941 pts

 Kathy Henry  Tammy_Ghalden exactly. And it starts with Black people no longer saying "but WHite people do it too!!" and work on the problem at hand.

Kathy Henry 246 pts

 Neecy  Tammy_Ghalden I agree I get tired of that shit too, particularly in regards to sex crimes. But for me, white folks are not the standard but the old school black family of back in the day. And by the way, Honey Boo Boo's parents are not married.