The “White Guy Pass”: Does It Exist?

The “White Guy Pass”: Does It Exist?

Do YOU think “white guy passes” exist? Do you give them out? Have you had WM expecting a “pass” from you?

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Fairly recently we’ve had articles addressing the fact that DBRism is something black women should expect to avoid not just in black men, but in non-black men as well. Despite this, the belief persists that IRR-minded black women, to put it bluntly, will give white men passes for certain behaviors or thoughts that are at the very least questionable, if not outright problematic.

 

I experienced this accusation first hand a while ago when I had someone run a test on me by posing as a white guy in order to trip me up as well as cast this community in a negative light. I imagine the point was to prove that IRR-minded black women are so desperate, we’ll believe anything a white man says so long as they pay us attention. This isn’t the first time I’ve had this accusation aimed at me, but it was the first time I’d witness anyone go to such lengths to prove the existence of “white guy passes”.

There are no doubt many pro-IRR black women who’ve experienced this type of accusation in some form.

 

And here is the thing: I am prepared to say that I believe that “white guy passes” exist.

 

First, I do think there is a segment of black women who are through with black men and the black community as a whole. In order to be accepted by other groups, they feel  they must put up with disrespectful behavior. They’ll overlook mistreatment or ignore it in order to feel a sense of belonging or what they interpret as love and acceptance.

This is only hard to fathom when you don’t take into consideration the fact that there are women who are routinely ignored, ostracized and outright despised for being “too dark”. I cannot begin to imagine being treated so grotesquely by other so-called black people about something that is supposed to be a source of pride and then have these same clowns turn around and tell you that you can’t trust white people because “they’ll discriminate against you!”

I would sue over the whiplash.

 

When you are used to being treated badly, you never question whether or not it’s wrong that someone is mistreating you. You may even make excuses or justifications for that person or group.

 

It’s safe to say that the core reason a “pass” is granted is more so about low self-esteem than anything else. That and the belief that, “At least it’s not another black person putting me down.” This would be the flip-side of black women who accept and justify all sorts of ugly behavior so long as the person mistreating them is also black.

In either case, looking to race to determine whether or not to allow disrespect is an obvious no-no. It’s not about race, it’s about RESPECT. Regardless of the color or ethnicity of the person, they are not worth your time or energy if they are looking to step on you. You are truly in a sad place when you’re granting passes for people to mistreat you regardless of whether or not they are a member of your ethnic group.

 

Another instance where a “white guy pass” may seem to have been given is when there are black women who aren’t really used to dealing with trifling and shady non-black men exhibiting DBR behaviors that are different from the kind of bad behaviors they attribute to DBR black men.

It’s sort of like how sleazy men try and charm foreign women on vacation in their area. These men can get over on more naive women tourists who aren’t used to their behavior in the context of their culture (or how abnormal it may actually be in the context of their culture). They allow the difference of scenery and the difference in accent to dupe them into believing they are being romanced, rather than used with the intention of dumping soon after*. Compare this to women who are born and raised in that ethnic group or location and see these characters coming a mile away. These slimeballs don’t have a chance in Hades with the women who know better, so naturally those aren’t the women they go for.

Just the same, there are black women who don’t know better and who miss red flags because they never knew these flags existed. At least in a way that is wholly different from what they would expect when confronted with black men.

They may be so tuned into BM DBR behaviors that unless it is a BM-identified WM, they have no idea what certain unacceptable behaviors look like when that person is not black.

So another person who sees the red flags could assume that the black woman or women also see them. And then assume she or they are purposely ignoring them. Not always.

 

And lastly of course, there really are black women who are overly eager to please and impress non-black men to the point where they will give them passes. Again, it’s clearly a matter of low self-esteem and well as a lack of self-validity.

 

So to be honest, I really do think there are instances where one can perceive black women as giving a “white guy pass”.

 

HOWEVER, I think that there is a difference between a black woman who grants “white guy passes” because she has low self-esteem or she doesn’t know any better and the accusations of such passes that I’ve seen. Because what’s hinted at has little to do with a genuine concern for the well-being of black women who date interracially. Instead, it is an attempt to peg such women as wanting to land any old white guy at any cost.

I do believe it’s a variation of the “nobody wants you!” meme; the gist being that black women who want to swirl are desperate and don’t love themselves and will put up with anything to be wanted.

 

This belief system is no doubt a comfort to certain people still trying to figure out what’s supposedly wrong with black women who date/marry interracially. Or persons who just don’t like the idea of black women being so trusting and accepting of white men. Especially when they take no crap from “their own people”.

 

No doubt sensible and self-assured black women hardly appreciate the idea that they can’t form an opinion without a white man’s approval. What a slap in the face! The idea that you as a black woman cannot exist without constantly seeking someone else’s validation or good opinion. Or that anything and everything you do MUST go back to someone’s assumption that black women, especially interracially-minded black women, lack self-validation.

For my part, I’ll go so far as to say that a great deal of women who swirl that I’ve encountered seem to have outstanding self-esteems and know exactly who they are and what they want out of life. They also know what they are not willing to put up with, regardless of the race of the person in question. It’s been my observation that these women tend to be well-educated, worldly, and confident. As such, it makes no sense to go around thinking these women are just waiting to throw around “the white guy pass”.

 

Here is the bottom line: No self-validated and sensible black woman is running around granting passes of ANY kind to ANYBODY hoping to take advantage of her. Any woman who does this has issues she needs to sort out as soon as possible. And the black women who do this are certainly N-O-T the standard representation of black women who swirl. No matter what venom some people try and spew.

 

Question: Do YOU think “white guy passes” exist? Do you give them out? Have you had WM expecting a “pass” from you?

 

 

*It’s one thing if you are looking for a fun fling, but I’ve seen way too many stories from women abroad complaining about that guy who fed them a few cheesy lines in a heavy accent and then once the sex occurred suddenly lost interest (an in some cases, just as suddenly spoke amazing English). This wouldn’t apply to the women who know full well what they want from the beginning and aren’t looking for anything long-term.

 

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GG123 371 pts

I was not being sarcastic. I admire a woman that knows she deserves to be treated well and lives it. I have not met any man that really has taken that deep of an interest in me in that way. I like to read books, blogs and would attend a class. Thank you for your response.

AleeL 440 pts

I've heard (and seen) Asian women give white men passes. They sit there while they are being verbally and physically abuse.

 

I guess this is when I'm grateful for having so much pride that I don't take crap from anyone, irrespective of race, gender, color, creed, ability, or class. You disrespect and you're toast. Some say my boyfriend worships me, and really I wouldn't have it any other way. :)

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

 AleeL

 I took all kinds of abuse from an Asian girlfriend I had.  I took that stuff for a couple of years.  I wouldn't say I gave her a pass though, I just chalk it up to being young and hypnotized by the sex.

Brice Cameron 2079 pts

 AleeL

 Now that I think about it.  I did give her a pass because of her horrible childhood.  Her parents were horrible people and she had some traumatic things happen to her.  I gave her a pass for those reasons.

AleeL 440 pts

 Brice Cameron 

 

Sorry you had to go through that. In better news, your baby is so adorable!

GG123 371 pts

 AleeL

 You are a smart lady! Maybe you should teach a class on making a man worship, I myself at 31 have lots of catching up to do!!!

AleeL 440 pts

 geneaj 

 

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but there's really no secret. What these people don't realize is that I worship my boyfriend too. As in I treat him well, kindly, with all of my respect. I think he's just awesome. So it's mutual worship. ; )

Ajax Vuylsteke 7 pts

 AleeL  geneaj

 well that IS the secret isn't it MUTUAL RESPECT ? there is also the BGP

where people think as soon as a white boy (or girl) goes out with a coloured person it's becaus they couldn't find  anything better.

Suburban Soulgirl 252 pts

"Another instance where a “white guy pass” may seem to have been given is when there are black women who aren’t really used to dealing with trifling and shady non-black men exhibiting DBR behaviors that are different from the kind of bad behaviors they attribute to DBR black men."

 

I admit to having a broken DBR scanner as a younger woman.  Though for me, I judged guys more by his social class than skin colour (ie.- if I had to choose between a upper-middle class BM or a WM from a trailer park, the BM wins).  Growing up, I've seen more than my fair share of  DBR isht from lower SES guys to last a lifetime, so I gravitated towards guys from middle-upper income backgrounds, thinking they were less DBR.  But then I just ran into middle-upper income DBR isht...LOL  

So now, I am all about thoroughly screening.

Neecy 1941 pts

And apparently this is WORSE in the AM/BW settings. I saw a youtube by an Asian guy literally telling Black women that they are looking real desperate on facebook and they should tone it down if they want to not come off as desperate "THIRSTY" women. Apparently the BW on facebook AM/BW forums are acting really pathetic and sad and desperate to the point an Asian guy had to make a video pointing it out? EEKS!

 

I was really saddened to hear this b/c I feel it will only get worse. 

onmywayup 1800 pts

 Neecy A guy had to go on Youtube to tell women to stop being "thirsty"? Yikes, so embarrassing.

KingsDaughter 4671 pts

 onthewaydown  Neecy Maybe hints didn't work!

Neecy 1941 pts

OOOO WEEE TONI!! Gotta give ya props fro even daring this topic. that is why I love all of your posts - you bring the heat!!! :D

 

I find with BW its mainly 2 extremes with a small portion who fit in the happy medium.

 

1st extreme: NBABM BW. Hating White men so much that WM could not even get a compliment out of his outh before being tasered , let alone a WM getting a pass.

 

2nd extreme, the BW who will sell her right arm and anything else of value just to get or KEEP some loser WM who is either using, mistreating, abusing and taking advantage of her. The WM can do no wrong. And then there are the passive BW who just sit and put up with anything her WHite beau is dishing. Often times these BW seem to attract WM who  openly date BW (BUT hate them)  b/c they don't feel BW have enough value and they find the BW who they can talk to and treat any old way. These same WM would never attempt to talk to or treat a Non Black woman the same b/c they view them in higher regard. But when they wanna get their kicks off and abuse or treat a woman second class they find desperate BW all too happy to date a WM by any means necessary - and the unleashing begins.

 

Once I was waitressing at Cheesecake Factory. I waited on a Black girl and her White boyfriend. The WHite guy was on the phone the whole time while she sat there looking stupid. Then at one point I brought the food and had to ask a question about if they needed something with it, and apparently the guy was on the phone dealing with an issue. She stopped and nicely asked him in a caring tone "is everything ok" and he flat out told her IN FRONT OF ME "SHUT UP. I AM ON THE PHONE!". She sat there looking stupid. I looked at him like he was crazy and he never looked up at me and he better be glad he didn't. That skinny bastard would hav ebeen sitting there on his phone with two plates of food BY HIMSELF if he ever said or did that to me in public.  I can guarantee you this was the jist of that relationship and she dealt with that treatment.

 

Its a sad state BW are in today. So many are what I call "THIRSTY" and are showing the desperation. of course this stems from not receiving any real male love in the home (so many BW are raised without fathers) and then in the larger Black community, not receiving it from the men of their race in general.

 

These BW are very dangerous to BW in the mating arena, especially the IR arena. B/C they will make a very bad name for BW over time with the amount of stuff  they are putting up with to get WM.

 

Frankly I have always said only *CERTAIN* types of BW should be doing IR dating. Too many BW still are ot mentally prepared to accept their value as women and to demand such treatment. They are jumping from the frying pan into the fire in some cases.

 

 

Toni_M 18953 pts moderator

"

So many are what I call "THIRSTY" and are showing the desperation. of course this stems from not receiving any real male love in the home (so many BW are raised without fathers) and then in the larger Black community, not receiving it from the men of their race in general.

 

These BW are very dangerous to BW in the mating arena, especially the IR arena. B/C they will make a very bad name for BW over time with the amount of stuff  they are putting up with to get WM.

 

Frankly I have always said only *CERTAIN* types of BW should be doing IR dating. Too many BW still are ot mentally prepared to accept their value as women and to demand such treatment. They are jumping from the frying pan into the fire in some cases.

"

 

 Neecy , you raise a very interesting point here. This is definitely worth more discussion.

DU2 2203 pts

 Neecy The cheescake factory incident, I would have got up and left him there with his phone call and the meals.Your statement about certain BW not being mentally prepared for IR dating  is an excellent point and the cheescake lady  is proof of that.

PamelaFoster 622 pts

 Neecy

 pure fiiiiiiiyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!  I always enjoy your no nonsense take all & any prsoner(s) stance.  You nailed it lady...  Like I said it's time to take personal inventory. Be real and honest with yourself so you can grow.  Far too many black women fall in this latter category taking crap from men just to be in a relationship--dysfunctional an all.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

Well, I'm glad somebody is finally talking about this. I've been saying this myself and on my blog forever. Yea bw are giving wm passes all over the place. I've said it on here repeatedly I give no one a pass. If you've dated a few white men in your day you know why. I've seen bw give wm passes, I hear the stories all the time of bw doing it and coming back to bite them in the butt. I've seen plenty of wm taking full advantage of them passes. I've been social media diet for awhile but I've been perusing tumblr, ahh what an interesting place, where some wm are collecting bw as I like to call it. Ladies, please be aware wm are not stupid and have become hip to much of the desperation and low self worth their is among bw. And they are...well lets just say indulging. Please use your vetting skills, they're some wolves out there.

DU2 2203 pts

 eugeniaberg Exactly, that is what I pointed out in response to someone else on this feed. who stated that we should let simple mis understandings pass and I stated this not about  a simple miscommunication or unintentional faux pas, this is about white  and non black men who are seeking to take advantage of desperate thirsty women who are ignorant of their worth  and will put up with their shenanigans so they can be on their arm.

PamelaFoster 622 pts

Gutsy article Ms Toni!  I totally agree.....being a swirler since the 80s I can definitely tell you I have seen and experienced just about all you key points.  As human nature directs, most of us don't want to admit our shortcomings but in order to grow we need to be real with ourself.  Many non black men do get a pass because the black woman can feel she has to "guide" the budding relationship until it/he reaches maturity letting hiccups, bumps not deter from the mission so to speak.....

Asia 195 pts

What exactly are they getting a pass with? Like not having a job or not wanting commitment or something? There are things I look for when I'm deciding to date someone or not regardless of color. He has to have a job, car, be in school or done with it already, and depending certain things his own place. Along with of course the obvious nice funny, and smart.

Avoc42883 1227 pts

Not sure if it exists, honestly.  I think its more linked to the DBR conversation as well as self-esteem issues.  Damaged just seeks out damaged.  In the context of foreign men, its the same sort of thing.  Also,  I think men can sniff out a lonely woman or one with low self-worth even if there might be a language or cultural barrier. 

 

I mean if you have had poor/dysfunctional relationships with black men, it'll most likely happen with other men unless you make some changes.  I also think that sometimes dysfunctional types in other races seek out blacks because they assume we'll be more accepting.

GoneInternational 162 pts

 Avoc42883  I have to agree with this. I'm inclined to believe that the type of woman who would do this just has dysfunctional relationships period, and that's all I'll say on that. Haha.

MySmile 4175 pts

 Avoc42883 Yeah it is linked to the DBR and self esteem conversations..but I still think it exists...

 

"I mean if you have had poor/dysfunctional relationships with black men, it'll most likely happen with other men unless you make some changes."

True, when I had low self esteem I attracted and dealt with idiots across the board....luckily I didn't let them ruin my future or life...

 

"I also think that sometimes dysfunctional types in other races seek out blacks because they assume we'll be more accepting."

Also VERY true..some people  think black people are used to dysfunction and that it is the norm for all of us. Many black people celebrate it (see article about Shawty Lo & company) so they think we're just going to be like "Oh, you're dysfunctional? It's all good, my mother, cousins, brothers, sisters, and friends are too! Come on in and join the party.." lol yea right..

Neecy 1941 pts

 Avoc42883 I agree with this too. Damaged people will seek out damaged people. There are White men who are damaged and angry b/c they can't get away with mistreating White women b/c they are held in higher regard as women. Damaged abusive men will seek out women who they  can most likely get away with mistreating. A lot of damaged WM open themselves up to be in relations with BW and seek out desperate equally damaged or simply PASSIVE desperate BW and will mistreat them b/c deep down he doesn't hold her as a BW in high regard.

 

 

GG123 371 pts

 Avoc42883

 'I also think that sometimes dysfunctional types in other races seek out blacks because they assume we'll be more accepting'.   Think that is sooo true! Sad but true.

Karla 18246 pts

Toni, you pegged it.  If a woman is self-assured, intelligent, has high self-esteem, knows what she wants and is confident, ain't no one getting a pass because of skin color or anything else for that matter.  That woman is thinking of her own physical and mental wellbeing first and will not let a DBR man (or woman), regardless of skin color or ethnicity, bring her down nor will she be a doormat.

 

I dated my share of DBR WM (okay, just two).  For me, it was initially about their looks and their so-called confidence (they approached me first).  My number one rule was to date for a long period of time before considering anything else.  Apparently, the two "gentlemen" (and I use that term sarcastically) figured there were "levels" to dating.  One Richard (Dick) Cranium (head) actually said, "Karla, I think we've reached the next level (which was 2). I want to bed you."  WTF?  My levels were definitely not his levels and it was a harsh discovery on his part.  I thought we were being mature about our differences but little did I know that this guy was a hyperhorny idiot, guided by his Id (I dislike Freud intensely but sometimes, the man knows).  Our parting ended up being unfriendly.   He went on to spread rumors about me but this is when having a glowing rep comes in handy.  No one believed him.  My commanding officer asked me why I had even considered dating him because he knew, from the outset, the guy was damaged.  I dodged a bullet with that one.  He eventually resigned his commission because he said he "couldn't be in the same Navy" with me.  Woohoo!!  Adios!

 

The key is if you are comfortable in your own skin, know yourself intimately and love yourself, you will vet any man or woman who crosses your path the way it should be done, logically and thoroughly.  I'll admit, my skills weren't up to par but once I reached the magic age (26), I got wise.  I read that scientists say the frontal lobe of the brain is not developed until about 25 (http://1.usa.gov/W7QSE8).  I can personally attest to that.  Wish I had BBW when I was younger because forearmed is forewarned.

Toni_M 18953 pts moderator

 Karla Richard Cranium....I'm going to keep that.

 

"The key is if you are comfortable in your own skin, know yourself intimately and love yourself, you will vet any man or woman who crosses your path the way it should be done, logically and thoroughly."

 

Yes, exactly.

 

onmywayup 1800 pts

 Karla Ahahahaha! Richard Cranium! Love it!

If anything all the passes being given is more often onthe ww/bm side.  WW take more off of bm than they do wm.  Im suprised a post was put up like this because I think bw are least likely to do this.  Not that they dont give passes but are least likely and I see this in real life.  These relationships arent lust filled they are love filled.  I just dont see this in bw/wm relationships as much.  I bet the percentage of out of wedlock kids that ww have with bm (where dad is not around) is waaay higher than even with their own men.  Percentage of kids of out wedlock not numbers.  White women catch it much more.  I am sure there is so much dysfunction going on right now with ww/bm.  You just wont see many posts about it on the internet.  WW seem to keep their mouths shut more.  I bet they go through hell with bm.

 

Beautiful Heidi Klum said Seal was a maniac.  Upstanding Tiger woods cheats with 15 women so many more that we can name.  Come on/  I dont know black women with self esteem so low that they would allow themselves to be treated like trash by a white guy.  Just have not seen it yet. 

greengirl7 330 pts

**Off Topic News**

 

There is a brand new BW/WM romance/murder mystery series called "Deception", it airs Monday, January 7th on NBC.

They're showing the pilot episode on NBC's website: http://www.nbc.com/deception/video/pilot/n30467/

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrZWgz8Dyls

Toni_M 18953 pts moderator

 greengirl7 Aaaaand I will be watching. I hope it is awesome.

greengirl7 330 pts

Toni_M

Off topic review of "Deception".

 

I just watched the pilot.

The storyline is a little grim, the BW is a police officer, so there are a couple "strong BW" scenes, but the actress is very feminine otherwise.   The bulk of the story is set on a grand estate, her love interest is a darkly handsome doctor (I think). The pilot is 99% suspense, family dysfunction, and psychotic women. 

 

This show is aptly named - the BW is sleeping with her BM coworker, even though they promoted this show as an IR romance, just like "Scandal".   But in the promo for the 2nd episode she has a lot more scenes with her WMale admirer, so I'll keep watching.

Browncow 1441 pts

 greengirl7 I'm watching this too! I really love that BW are getting the leads on the small screen. Let's hope that this is as good as promised. Now we need to get another supernatural witch show like Charmed, but with a BW, AW, HW and WW. That would totally rock!

greengirl7 330 pts

 Browncow "Now we need to get another supernatural witch show like Charmed, but with a BW, AW, HW and WW. That would totally rock!"

 

We think alike.  I would LOVE to see a supernatural romance starring a BW.   I've had enough of these shows/movies with the beautiful BW standing alone in the shadows while her caucasian BF gets seduced/pursued/romanced/and fawned over by every supernatural guy in town, good grief.   Maybe the next BW series will give us what we want.  *fingers crossed*

ASwirlGirl 3047 pts

 greengirl7 Lawd, I'm already woefully behind on Scandal, and now this . . . ! ;-) I'm happy!

mzsunshine 2436 pts

 greengirl7

 The actress is Megan Good. She starred in the movie "Think like a man".

Courtney86 69 pts

@greengirl7 Tate Donovan is in it, I will definitely be watching. I love him. :) He was the voice actor in my favorite Disney movie, Hercules.

I think that black men give white women passes and look the other way ALL the time so they (ww) know that they can get away with just about anything.  This is the reason why some white women will try to bump into you when they are out with a black man.  There are lots of behaviors that they wont call them out on.

 

I think that black women are often supersensitive when dealing with white guys.  I dont think that bw give a lot of passes.  I think that a lot of white guys feel like they are walking on eggshells.  I think that is one of the reasons that other men dont approach bw as much as bw want. 

 

We even overanalyze every... little...thing.....It's draining. 

cocoababe 1580 pts

 

"I think that a lot of white guys feel like they are walking on eggshells.  I think that is one of the reasons that other men dont approach bw as much as bw want. 

 

We even overanalyze every... little...thing.....It's draining. "

 

I love the honesty.  

We can't move forward and get the life we want if can't even be honest with ourselves and the situation some bw find themselves in.

zipporah 1730 pts

Hey some WM are cool. just to be friends with BUT if they are into the GOTH scene with its various skulls, or heavily into c/Rock, and think marijuana is a food group, along with beer, RUN!! as fast as you can...LOL

MySmile 4175 pts

 zipporah

I agree with everything except for the rock part..it depends on the type of rock they are into ..I love rock (mainly classic rock, soft rock, and alternative rock, pop rock)....get what you're saying though...the ones who are into the goth scene usually listen to the hardcore (gruesome & violent) stuff...

 

"think marijuana is a food group, along with beer, RUN!!"

 

LMAO!! I've definitely met some of these types in college!

MySmile 4175 pts

 cocoababe True that! lol..overanlyzing is draining sometimes...I should know, I've always been an overanalyzer....not just of white men.. I don't discriminate..I've done it to everyone and everything! lol...learning to let go though and just take some things, words, and people at face value...but it's good to analyze sometimes. I like to put my analytical skills to good use, but I'm trying to cool it when it's not necessary...

Lexi88 2193 pts

I think some women do give white men a pass, but not consciously. Most women who are new to swirling and have had no or little interactions with white men, tend to think white men are a totally different species.

The myth that white men are passive, shy and so much more sensitive than other men, is believed by new swirlers and therefore, allow white men to get away with murder.

New swirlers need to vett well and use the same rules and standards across the board. Yes, there are some differences in dating a wm vs. bm. But, like all human beings, a man will do what YOU allow. 

 

FriendsofJay 1854 pts

Toni, I think that a few of my experiences on this board seem to suggest that I'm not given a "white man pass" very often.  But that's OK.  I've learned what not to say, so I consider it an educational experience.  One that I needed.

It probably does exist but I've seen black women, even the interracial sistas make long as list as into what white or non-black men have to do and have before they consider a long term commitment to them.

 

There's more "Black Guy" pass than white guy pass amongst black women, which the "As long as he's black" phrase comes into play.

onmywayup 1800 pts

Okay,  I do think "white guy passes" exist. As you mentioned in the article, there are people who are not used to socializing with white men and do not recognize dysfunction because it may come in a slightly different package. Also someone below mentioned microaggressions (I'm assuming ones that are committed by white people against minorities), which I've been able to detect for a long time now.  I grew up around mostly white people, so I find it difficult to relate to this honestly. I also am able to detect dysfunction and DBRism regardless of culture...maybe this has to do with upbringing and/or self-esteem? (Though even when I had low self-esteem, I still wouldn't tolerate DBR behavior.)

 

It is off-topic, but I definitely think that the "black guy pass" is common in the black community. It may be an outside-looking-in thing since I did not grow up in a black community. However, when I did start interacting with black people and in black communities on a regular basis, I noticed this right away.  I know we've, in various ways, discussed the "black guy pass" already, but it's strange how in statements that are common sense here are anathema to the outside world I encounter on a regular basis...though I am beginning to hear more and more black women speak out against "black man passes" and "black male privilege."

 

 

chocolate_fashionista 190 pts

i will say this.  when dating to choose a life partner, bw or any women have to vett!!!  examine the content of his character and make sure the man is not abusive in any form or fashion.  i heard that about 70% of people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder are men.  I don't know what the stats are for a sociopath.  but these personalities effect men of all races, backgrounds and ethnicities.  if you give a wm or any man a "pass" you'll just end up hurting yourself.  so to any bw that is dating, please be aware that abuse comes in all colors and please make sure you know the characteristics of someone with an abusive personality.  you'll save yourself and those who love you from bucket loads of tears and pain!!!!

EarthJeff 3345 pts

"Question: Do YOU think “white guy passes” exist? Do you give them out? Have you had WM expecting a “pass” from you?"

 

Fair post and question.  I will say this.  AS a WM, I certainly expect no "pass".  I should treat anyone as I want to be treated myself and with all the respect due any other human being.  I treat people as I want others to treat my mother, my sister, my special honeybee, my daughters.  I dont just call WW "Maam", I call ALL women "Maam".  I know I said this back on the posting of how badly some men treated women... back when Bee's oldest daughter got "holla'd" at one day at the bus stop and I heard about it, I was pissed.  If that had been a white man who did that (I dont recall the exact thing he yelled, but it was inappropriate), I would have been just as pissed.  BUT, I suspect her (and Bee's) reactions would not have been so visceral..... kind of unfairly giving that hypothetical WM a bit of a pass.

EvetteDionne 8 pts

Yes, I believe "white guy passes" exist because a lot of African-Americans and other minorities are unaware of microaggressions in their conversations and interactions with the majority population.