Do All Men Want to Protect ‘Their’ Women from Other Men?

“I have never seen nor heard an interracially married white man say that he has problems with his daughter marrying a black or other non-white man. However, I have seen and heard many a black man married to a white women complain about how he wouldn’t want any of his daughters dating a white man.”

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I was on another blog and one of the blog proprietors, a woman born to a white mother and black father, made the following comment regarding her father’s feelings towards her husband:

Yes, that’s how my father sees it, as well. It’s a political thing. He likes my husband, but he wasn’t so keen on my marrying a white man. Now he’s got two white grandkids.

To which I replied:

This is so common as to be predictable. On one hand the black man has no problem sleeping with the white man’s daughter’s while at the same time he eyes the white man with suspicion.

Then, a black women with a black husband replied to my reply with the following:

This is by no means isolated to black men, Jamila. I have seen evidence that this is simply the way men are wired. They all (black, white, other) will sleep with whatever kind of woman they find sexually appealing but want their own women to contribute to their genetic legacy.

Save the BWE spiel for that corner of the web. For those unfamiliar, Jamila hates black men, LOL

You knew I wasn’t going to let that stand without repudiation, right?

Nevermind the fact that I don’t hate black men, the real issue I have with this black woman’s statement is that I have never seen nor heard an interracially married white man say that he has problems with his daughter marrying a black or other non-white man. However, I have seen and heard many a black man married to a white women complain about how he wouldn’t want any of his daughters dating a white man.

I know that all men want to hoard their access to women, meaning that they want access to a particular group of women while also wanting to have access to other women.  At the same time, these men want to restrict the access of other men to their women. Kinda like ” I want to graze in my field and your field, but I only want you to graze in your field.” This sort of set-up was common during slavery where white men took liberty to have sex with both black and white women, but did not want black men having sex/marrying white women.

But we aren’t talking about just having sex anymore. We are talking about marriage. Why, today, are black men who are married to white women still trying to restrict the access of their daughters to white men?

Do white men who marry non-white women want their daughters to avoid men who are from the same ethnic background as their wife? Perhaps this is occuring more often than I’m aware.

Enlighten me.

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EdEllington 48 pts

My daughters are mixed.  My oldest is in college and only seems interested in black young men.  As long as she is treated well with respect and kindness I don't care what their race is.  The only thing I want them to be are born-again Christians.  If they give God His due, then everything else will be OK...

blackwomanalive 255 pts

Don't ya just loathe race women? They will just come to bat for any BM without even caring to judge his moral faculties. Pathetic.

ladyluvs3x 5 pts

I'm a Black American woman in a marriage with a white American man. We have two children and we both agree that we don't care what mate they choose as long as their mate is good to them, loves them and treats them kindly. Its not about race, or I should say its only about the propagation of the Human race.

...And as far as the people responding to this article saying who they DON'T want their offspring to bring home (trash, a race different from the father, etc.), remember that children emulate and recreate the environment in which they've grown up accustomed to, or the apple doesn't fall very far from the tree...

VintageNarcissa 923 pts

I feel a lot of men are like this with their daughters because it's seemingly harder to maintain ethnic or cultural tradition, or whatever, through women. Even if they are not a Junior, a son is seen as the continuation of a father's legacy. But a daughter will more than likely get married, lose her last name and her identity as a staple of a family. For men who feel a strong sense of culture may favor their daughters with someone of their own race and culture in order for that man facilitate the continuation of that culture and tradition. That may be the subconscious psychological explanation of it. I know my father mentions every once in a while that he knows he has no say in who I end up with, he would prefer for me to marry a Nigerian man. I smile and nod, but inside, I'm rolling on the floor laughing.

There is this idea that a lot of black men who take issue with black women dating interracially because they feel that it will will deplete the fully black population. This for one bloggles my mind, most obviously because most of these men date interracially themselves, but are not worried about their supposed depletion of the black population. But also because, even if she was a baby factory like the Duggar wife, a woman can only have so many children in her lifetime. However, the amount of children a man can have is exponential. One man could in theory have hundreds of women pregnant at the very same time. So if there was any gender that could deplete a race, if that were even possible it definitely would not be the women.

Joyce345 900 pts

Yes all men want to hoard 'their' women. They even want to hoard the women they don't even want. I remember a conversation I had a few years back with a Kenyan guy about a Kenyan model working in the US who is dark skinned. He was angry that such a dark skinned black women could have a career as a super model. 'Dark is not bad but she is just TOO DARK,' he protested.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rc_nnuMe3M8/S820hyiuZZI/AAAAAAAAFqE/dn5cNIIyPaQ/s1600/ajuma.jpg

Here she is.

The conversation moved on to her personal life and the same man was really pissed that she had a white partner. WTH???? If she is undesirable shouldn't he have been thanking the white man for taking her off the market?

NATruthstudent 1099 pts

Joyce345

Too dark??? No such thing! She's beautiful! Joyce, your last sentence is right on the money!

SirLoinDeBeef 553 pts

NATruthstudentJoyce345 Too dark? ... GRRROOOWWWLLLLLL!

Eyes front, you vile tomcat!

NATruthstudent 1099 pts

SirLoinDeBeef

I was referring to the model in the picture she posted in the link...

Betty Boo 245 pts

Joyce345 Oh Joyce, but that is just it her being off the market disproves his theory that no body wants her because she is too dark. He does not want her but he does not want anyone to have her either. I had a friend who was having dinner with a friend of hers, a BM they saw an IR couple BW/WM having dinner. the WM was crazy about her and my friends dinner companion was staring at them in disgust. She asked him what the problem was and he expressed disgust at seeing a "sista" with that WM. My friend asked him, "well do you want to date her?" he says, "Naw she ain't my type." So my friend asks him why did he care who she was with , he did not respond but kept muttering about them being together. I am sure other races of men do it but I can only speak for the black culture. Black men seem to have this entitlement mentality even with the women they are not even remotely interested in like they should stay single "just in case" these "knee-grows" show a little interest. i have heard story after story from black women who have been in social setting where brothas have ignored them but the minute a white guy or a man of another race approaches them then the brothas want to get vocal. not becasue of interest or protection but pure SELFISHNESS.

Browncow 301 pts

Interesting. My husband won't care if we have a daughter and she marries a BM. The only criteria is that he comes from a two parent household (divorce and widowhood is acceptable, no illegitimacy), has an education beyond high school, treats her well, is not into her because of a light skin/straight-curly hair fetish, and is willing to give her all the care that my husband has given me (the choice to stay at home with the kids, a nice home in a nice neighborhood, etc.). This criteria goes for any man that would come into the life of a daughter. That is if we have one. We feel the same way about our boys. I don't care who they bring home ethnically. Just don't bring home any trash. I mean that.

Karla 2799 pts

Browncow "Just don't bring home any trash. I mean that." That made me laugh because I just told my nieces that if they bring home trash, I will put it out by the side of the curb.

Pearl 2251 pts

Hmmm, I haven't no idea where this comes from... men who say this are close minded and insecure and not worth thinking about thier thoughts and the stupid sh*t they say :-D

But honestly... I want my family to be all mixed up, I bet all of you knew that though ;-*

Nonya 127 pts

Yep, also seen various non-WM married interracially but demanding spouses for their kids must be dad's ethnicity.

Mark_H 233 pts

I cannot speak for my entire race, but as a wm with grown interracial daughters I can safely say I do not care who they marry - black, white, brown, yellow, green, male or female - as long as they love their partner and their partner loves, respects, and treats her well. Hurt one of my girls and I will open a can of whoop-ass you do NOT want all over you.

R. Kamaria 285 pts

I've heard this from arab men especially. They date white, black, etc. women all of the time but will do bodily harm if their sisters date out.

Islandgirl 405 pts

R. Kamaria Heavens knows I hate to stereotype people but I think that BW should be careful when dating arab men. In the arab world you don't just marry the man but the whole family. Arabs tend to have a negative view of black people based both on the fact arabs were major slave traders and the negative portrayal of black women circulating in the media. BW would also need to watch out for the arab mother who is silent but deadly. It is not unheard of for an arab mother to attempt to poison a disliked woman who her son brought home. Arab men tend date out readily but rarely marry out as they tend to say that other women are for playing with but arab women are for marrying.

kiki100 304 pts

Islandgirl That may be something that goes on back home. The americanized ones may not be that way.

Nkosazana 237 pts

kiki100 Sorry, I would not take that chance if I were any of the girls here. I've seen the westernized ones here in Europe. Far from liberal about black people. Ofc the muslim black are kissing their asses even if they are treated worst by them.

And if you marry one you are expected to give up YOUR culture for his. Too much ish for me tbh.

Now iranians they are good people. Find yourself one from a middle class family and they are no diffrent from the europeans.

kiki100 304 pts

Yeah well I am sure they have tons of stereotypes about blacks. Hell I am Trini and a Jamaican guy told me he stays away from Trinis because we 'bewitch' our men...lol I am saying that one cannot be sure about every 'story' you are told about a group of people.

Nkosazana 237 pts

kiki100 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebecca-tinsley/arab-racism_b_951422.html

blessedgal 41 pts

kiki100 Hi kiki 100! Another Trini in da house!

SKL111 15 pts

Nkosazanakiki100 We Iranians do not consider ourselves arabs and if you call us and Arab, it is and insult. We may not say anything about it, but we hate it. And you have mentioned one of the many reasons we hate being called that. We prefer Persian.

Personally, I can't stand the double standard the seeming majority of black men(why do the ignorant ones outnumber the non-ignorant ones and are proud of their ignorance) that have it.

kiki100 304 pts

SKL Which is why blacks should NOT be sterotyping folk. Most are unaware that Iranians are not arabs.

kiki100 304 pts

Nkosazana I am aware of racism in arabs, and other groups...

tigerjlv86 217 pts

My husband and I aren't fully settled on having kids one way or the either yet, but I know that he raised his sons to not discriminate in dating/marriage.

I know that my husband wouldn't be too concerned about the race of a future daughter's spouse. I think I share The Working Home Keeper & Jamila 's sentiments in that I'd probably be more worried than he would be about a daughter marrying a black man part on the basis of experience and part what I see BM in my community doing. I certainly hope that what I see changes...

AJ2011 750 pts

Jamila I'm reading Suburban Nation this week and so far so good. I think you'll find that it depends on how the father feels about a given ethnicity or race. Ex: they'd be fine with PR or Indian son-in-law but an East Asian or White guy will send him through the roof.

Jamila 2819 pts

AJ2011 I'm glad you like the book so far.

Weren't you interested in urban planning?

Islandgirl 405 pts

It is always a sweet irony that BM that marry WM on the basis that all BW are *insert appropriate disparaging descriptor here* don't want their daughters from those union from marrying WM. It would seem that most of them have the concept that marrying a WM is so how getting back at WM and therefore by extension BW that marry WM are helping the WM destroy the black race. That is one logic that makes no sense to me.

I would concede that for jews and muslims and some other non-christian religions don't want the women of that religion marrying out because the tenets of their religion state that it is the mother that decides whether the child is to be considered as belonging to that faith. For example some branches of Judaism do not considered the children of mixed marriages (i.e. a jew and gentile) to be jewish if the mother was not born jewish. The conversion of the mother in this strict way of thinking is not considered as allowing the children of those union to be considered jewish despite the fact the family may be practicing the faith. This is the case for a good friend of mine who's dad is jewish and his mom a WM.

Nonya 127 pts

Islandgirl

It's only with Jews that the mother is the determinant for whether kids belong to the faith. With Muslims, the historically perceived problematic angle is the kids, which are assumed to take the father's faith in any setting. So if the woman marries out, then her kids wouldn't be Muslim as opposed to the man whose kids would be Muslim regardless of who he married. Hence, being more open to males marrying outside the faith.

Nkosazana 237 pts

No husband don't care. It's me who cares.

I don't want my daughter to become a black mans light skinned fetish (It's really hard being light skinned and date a black man in the west without being a fetish). Black men prays on WM-BW children, they love ruining them. Look at Lauren London. She's ruin forever.

The Working Home Keeper 1484 pts

Nkosazana Yep, that's one of my concerns as well.

CALOVE 53 pts

Nkosazana

That's a concern of mine as well.

Avoc42883 190 pts

Nkosazana took the thoughts right out of my head.

MadamCJCPA 725 pts

Nkosazana Congratulations on the new addition Nkosazana! How are you feeling? How big was the little one when he was born?

MadamCJCPA 725 pts

Nkosazana A possible solution those of us BWE ladies with sons can arrange a marriage contract with the ladies of the BWE that have daughters.

Bunny77 1019 pts

Hmmm... me like, me like... :) MadamCJCPA Nkosazana

MadamCJCPA 725 pts

Bunny77 You have no idea as to just how seriously I have pondered that thought. I'm the type of person that doesn't like to leave things to chance. Especially when I know my son will have women throwing themselves at him left and right, I've witnessed it with the little girls in his class at just 10 years old.

NATruthstudent 1099 pts

MadamCJCPA

Now why does that remind me "Coming to America"??? LOL

MadamCJCPA 725 pts

NATruthstudent I have no clue as we are a modest and humble family. However, I am researching all-male boarding schools to send my son for high school to ensure he avoids the "female distraction." My son will not fall prey to Delilah.

NATruthstudent 1099 pts

MadamCJCPA

I certainly hope the school you choose for him will give him an education in reality, so that when he leaves he doesn't suffer culture shock.

MadamCJCPA 725 pts

NATruthstudent I'm confused, what type of culture shock? He attends CPS right now, so he is aware of girls and the various cultures out there. High school is just where most boys are led astray and the public high school here in Chicago are questionable since the time when I graduated from the system back in the 90s.

NATruthstudent 1099 pts

MadamCJCPA

Oh, my mistake. I had to re-read your previous post. You said High School. For some reason my brain was on younger children's education. Since you're specifically talking about the higher grade levels, I agree with you.

Toni_M 4712 pts

Nkosazana Congrats to you! :)

Toni_M 4712 pts

Nkosazana IA, best to teach your daughters to stay as far away from those color-struck fools as possible. :/

Lili2009 1184 pts

My two year old son (who is very white looking), is showing a preference for a lot of pretty Indian and Chinese girls in his small daycare. To that I say, COOL! I hope he marries someone as different or as similar to his mom or dad as he wants. Husband and I love cultural exchange and "mixing it up" so if my child never dated a black girl or woman, then I get to be the most special black woman in his life! LOL...!

Lili2009 1184 pts

PS: All I need is for him to be accepted by the girl's family and to be non-DBR and no drama because, wow, I have a younger, handsome, black cousin whose phone is off the hook with these crazy girls competing for him. I know I've failed if my son is like this cousin of mine. Otherwise, he can marry a woman from anywhere in the world.

The Working Home Keeper 1484 pts

My husband is white (as y'all know!) and we have daughter, as well as two sons. I can say with almost 100% certainty, that my husband would NOT have a problem with our daughter marrying a black man. Or a white man, an Asian man. His primary concern would be for our daughter to be with a good, quality man. A man that would be good to her and would provide for her and their future children. That's what any father would want for his daughter. That's what my father wanted for me. It didn't matter to him that my fiance (now husband) was white. He just wanted to make sure he was a good man.

Now, if you were to ask how I would feel about our daughter marrying a black man, I would be a bit more apprehensive than my husband.

Jamila 2819 pts

The Working Home Keeper "Now, if you were to ask how I would feel about our daughter marrying a black man, I would be a bit more apprehensive than my husband."

I get the feeling that this is how I would feel also.