For Real or For Fake? Black Guy Writes, Says He Can’t Find His “Queen”

For Real or For Fake? Black Guy Writes, Says He Can’t Find His “Queen”

Got this letter in the mail by a black man, searching for his “queen.”

Author : Christelyn Karazin

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So I got this letter in my inbox yesterday, and I must admit, I was scratching my head bald. First thing I thought was, “Is this some kind of Jedi mind trick?”

My name is Kevin and I have come across your website/blog and I would like to ask you for some advice.  To get to the point, I need help attracting a woman of color, preferably African American.  I am 24, about to graduate from college with an accounting degree (and I do plan to become a CPA), I think I am somewhat attractive and somewhat shy.  If I do like a girl I will often times attempt to approach her, but it seems I can never find a black woman that suits me.  I’ve come across your site and I notice that it is full of black women I only wish I could have– the problem is that they seemingly turned off to black men forever, and they are already in relationships.  I feel that my standards are not set too high.  I only desire a woman who is smart (not necessarily a college graduate), attractive (beauty is in the eye of the beholder), ambitious, self-reliant, and preferably no children, but it seems like black women of that stature wont even give me the time of day.  I do not address women in a derogatory manner or by using “pick up lines” because I would actually like to get to know the woman and what her dreams/goals/ambitions in life are and I try to judge based upon that, but it seems that women do not choose mates based upon the same standards.  I feel that I am attractive by the looks that I often get from white girls while I’m sitting in class, but I have no desire to be with one (they’re cute but I WANT A BLACK WOMAN, my queen).  I even once had a girl whose parents were from Ghana and she was the closest to the perfect woman for me, but she broke up with me because of her father’s desire for her not to be with an African American male (imagine how i felt).  I feel like I have so much to offer a woman, but only if one just gave me a chance.  I dont have an issue with a black woman dating a white man (or any color) but when I read comments about your “black unicorn” it saddens me because there are men out here who want a strong, smart, attractive black woman ( and i like darker skinned women) but smart, career minded, family first, respectful black men are cast aside in favor of whites without getting a chance.  I think I am presentable because I do have contemporary styling no tattoos, good teeth, etc and i try to be approachable (even though women NEVER approach a guy they like) but whenever I try to approach one of “those” black women they give me this look like I’m the scum of the earth. I guess this is the case in places where black women are trying to “swirl” and I am “cockblocking”– but I’m sorry for being attracted to, and attempting to share acquaintances with, an open-minded black woman in social setting. I would love to find one at my school but there are slim pickins’ in Kentucky, even more so in the C.O.B., and even more so in accounting.  To add to this conundrum I am from Cincinnati where there are more women but it seems all the black women stereotypes are in full effect. I’m sorry if I am rambling but I want you to understand the other side because it gets lonely when you dont want the “white prize”, and I’m not as fortunate as women who have suitors approach them daily.  It seems like good guys suffer because of the bad choices women make when it comes to their relationships. To the women on your site I would NEVER be a good spouse because in their mind black men are not capable of being good spouses, but to the black women who have not given up on us:  how do I get to know you on a more intimate(non-sexual in meaning) manner?  The reason I am asking you is because it seems that your readers have moved on to other races (which is fine, but in 3 generations their black heritage will be completely forgotten) and I want to know from your group of like-minded individuals what they want from an African-american male, and what can I do to find a black woman that is worth pouring my emotional energy into. Any advice/support/response would be so much appreciated, and could you please not post my real name if at all possible.  Thank you again and hopefully you can help me find the woman of my dreams, or at least on I would be happy with for a significant period of time.  Best regards.

Sincerely,

Kevin from OH

Okay Kevin, I’ll play. You use of “all” black women are this and “all” black women are that is quite frankly, suspect to me. “All” black women aren’t a certain way, and a critical-minded person can identify that. Your comment about black women not wanting to be held accountable for their choices is another jab, which also leaves me to believe you’re trolling.

But if you’re sincere, I would suggest you get out more. Trust me, there are PLENTY of black “queens” who are looking for their “kings.” Join a church, Kevin. You’ll have your pick. The black church is chock full of single, educated (and childless!!!) black women from whom you can feed like a pig at a troth.  This myth that all these “good black men” are searching under rocks and swimming through shark-infested waters to find quality black women is a hunk of bull-donkey, dude. Black women outnumber black men be a whopping 2 million. This is often an excuse educated and successful single men who want to stay single use in order to garner sympathy while they run through woman after woman after woman. They’ll say, “I want a black woman, I really do, but they’re all hoodrats! And the ones that aren’t just want white men!”

PFFFFFFFTTT!

Whatever the case, I do hope you’re sincere, because this is a whole lot of trouble go through just so you can have some attention on this blog.

 

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modernmystic 143 pts

Richard Miller: yes, there was ill will indeed on this writer's part.  You seem shocked so many can see through him.  Your defense of him is an example of the BM defended a black man against women.  You should take your comments to the writer. 

RichardMiller 8 pts

Whoah, okay; I see a lot of people slamming this guy for coming to an BW-IRR site with his problems. I made a post earlier addressing his flaws, but I suggested that they were to due to lack understanding of certain things; no ill-will on his part. In this case, he could be coming to a BW-IRR site because he's having trouble with NBAB black women. In other words, NBAB black women might typically be seeking an experience from a black man that Kevin can't provide. If he feels that his demeanor, his behavior, the way he carries himself, etc; is more in-line with white men (which isn't being said in the article, but could be a strong possibility) and is detrimental to attracting NBAB black women, he might feel that he stands a better chance with black women who prefer white men. It sucks being stuck in the middle like that, but c'est la vie. But I don't think it's an issue of stupidity or lack of common sense. His only option just might be dating interracially himself.

Brenda55 19726 pts moderator

 RichardMiller Not. Buying. It.  Would you like me to pull out the parts of his e-mail that is pinging off people's B.S. meter?

Brenda55 19726 pts moderator

 RichardMiller Better still I'm gonna do it anyway.  Here goes.

 

If I do like a girl I will often times attempt to approach her, but it seems I can never find a black woman that suits me.

 

Fair enough keep looking.

 

 

I do not address women in a derogatory manner or by using “pick up lines” because I would actually like to get to know the woman and what her dreams/goals/ambitions in life are and I try to judge based upon that, but it seems that women do not choose mates based upon the same standards. 

 

Really.

 

 I feel that I am attractive by the looks that I often get from white girls while I’m sitting in class, but I have no desire to be with one (they’re cute but I WANT A BLACK WOMAN, my queen).

 

Do we care what white women think of you. Hit up them dude. Problem solved.

 

 

I dont have an issue with a black woman dating a white man (or any color) but when I read comments about your “black unicorn” it saddens me because there are men out here who want a strong, smart, attractive black woman ( and i like darker skinned women) but smart, career minded, family first, respectful black men are cast aside in favor of whites without getting a chance. 

 

Bull. While there are women like myself who do not check for black men and never have there are enough black women who date the rainbeau that would find that combo attractive.

 

 

Brenda55 19726 pts moderator

 RichardMiller 

 

I try to approach one of “those” black women they give me this look like I’m the scum of the earth. I guess this is the case in places where black women are trying to “swirl” and I am “cockblocking”

 

He can tell a swirlier at twenty paces. In fact to read this he has radar that send him to a group of women he has in the past not had any success with. He keeps trying, trying for women not checking for him when he has white women falling over him. What is that they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Thinks that what our boy's problem is? Hummmmmmm?

 

 I would love to find one at my school but there are slim pickins’ in Kentucky, even more so in the C.O.B., and even more so in accounting.  To add to this conundrum I am from Cincinnati where there are more women but it seems all the black women stereotypes are in full effect. 

 

So you are at a school where the pickings for a black man wanting a certain type of women is slim and that is the women's fault? You are not feeling the gals from your hood cause they are too common for you?

 

Come closer. You may not be the prize you think you are........but you do have all of the white gals smiling at you so what is your problem. Oh I get it white gals like me so I'm a catch its you black chicks with the problem. You are either stuck up or ghetto. A brother cannot catch a break. Dang.

 

 

Brenda55 19726 pts moderator

 RichardMiller 

 

 I’m not as fortunate as women who have suitors approach them daily.

 

Dude you just said that the white girls are smiling at you. Which is it?

 

It seems like good guys suffer because of the bad choices women make when it comes to their relationships.

 

So it is woman's fault that some of the guys they meet are jerks? Got that. It is the woman's fault? Not the guys for BEING SAID JERK but her fault for meeting him, getting to know him, finfing out that he is a real prick, having a rotten time with him and then moving on. That is all her fault. He had nothing to do with it.

 

To the women on your site I would NEVER be a good spouse because in their mind black men are not capable of being good spouses,

 

You make a gross assumption here. Some of the women on this site are indeed married to and dating black men. Some are formerly married to black men. Some like myself were raised by black men who were and are good husbands so we know who we should be treated in a healthy relationship. But thanks for throwing mud on our little group here. Great way to win friends and influence people.

 

 

 The reason I am asking you is because it seems that your readers have moved on to other races (which is fine, but in 3 generations their black heritage will be completely forgotten) 

 

Dude that statement is right up there on the stupidity scale as...”I can't date a white men because he won't understand my hair.” You are on a college campus with black women with brains and your copping that line? No wonder you are getting flagged by women who date out.

 

 

I do to find a black woman that is worth pouring my emotional energy into.

 

Translation I know I can find the white ones but the black ones keep coming up lacking. I spent this whole e-mail telling you this and couched it if fluff so that you would maybe miss the poison my lame behind is spewing.

 

 

 

Brenda55 19726 pts moderator

 RichardMiller Sorry about the typos. I am not going back to edit since it will fill up your in-boxes  with this long screed and who needs to read this twice.

diamondgal 431 pts

He seems like a good catch (at least from his description).  It sounds like he is going out of his way to find a black woman. That's admirable.

Joyce345 1738 pts

Hahaha!!!!!!! The black race is not going anywhere. Africa is full of black people and the population is growing VERY fast. Fertility rates are very high.

 

AAs can relax. Blacks are not in danger of disappearing. Not by a long shot. You and your daughters can all marry IR and there will still be a billion plus black people in the world.

AnInterestedObserver 1029 pts

Good point. it's a classic derailment tactic used against Black women who want to date IR.

Jazmine 233 pts

" I feel that I am attractive by the looks that I often get from white girls while I’m sitting in class"

 

Is this the scale now?

Toni_M 18983 pts moderator

 Jazmine For some people it is, and it's rather tragic.

Brice Cameron 2083 pts

 Jazmine 

It sounds like he hasn't ever approached any of these women, but he assumes that they would be all over him based on some looks he has received in class.  He makes it sound as if he is such a martyr holding out for his black "queen".  Women aren't all that different.  If you have problems interacting with black women, it is unlikely you will do any better with any other race.

AnInterestedObserver 1029 pts

"If you have problems interacting with Black women, it is unlikely you will od any better with any other race".

 

Yup.

AnInterestedObserver 1029 pts

 Jazmine 

 

It tells me who he thinks is the most important judge of that. SHM.

zipporah 1730 pts

wow...i just heard a blog radio show by MsHeartbeat. blogtalkradio.com sun 6/3. She said many BW want to get married and have weddings, etc. People were giving statistics on marriage being good for women EXCEPT BW.. she found this list by a BM that sounded like cinderellas STEPMOTHER... to me, it sounds like many BM KNOW BW want only them that theyll do it...since they think they dont have to do much for BW. i dont know if Ms.Heartbeat is into rainbeau marriages or not--some of her advice was good but she said bw shouldnt marry and said you can have companionship other ways--i believe dude wants a 'cinderella' but dont wanna be prince

zipporah 1730 pts

i thot he was sincere until i heard her....i believe if the BM was raised in the 'white' culture, he may be a better bet

AnInterestedObserver 1029 pts

 zipporah 

 

It sure was for Pres Obama.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 zipporah MsHeartbeat I believe is an advocate of black love. I remember finding her show through a black centered website.

Bunny77 2054 pts

 VintageNarcissa  zipporah MsHeartbeat is Deborrah Cooper, who has  visited this site a few times and is friends with Christelyn, I believe. She supports IR dating and marriage... she's not a "black love only" type. I think she's equal opportunity about calling out stupid men (black, white, purple, whatever).

 

Now where I disagree with her in general is her de-emphasis of marrage, but that's her prerogative. I think she's coming from the point of view that many BW who marry end up marrying a guy (and often a BM) who doesn't contribute anything to her life and to the home/family, and ends up being nothing but a drain... like having another child, except a grown one.

 

If BW had more equitable marriages and partners who brought more to the table, we would benefit greatly. The reason we don't see the marriage benefit for BW is because of the mismatch in values and expectations in many BW/BM marriages.

AnInterestedObserver 1029 pts

 Bunny77  VintageNarcissa  zipporah 

 

"If BW had more equitable marriages and partners who brought more to the the table, we would benefit greatly. The reason we don't see the marriage benefit for BW is because of the mismatch in values and expectations in many BW/BM marriages".

 

Exactly, I have been saying this for a while now. The problem is not with BW, it is with men who think BW are not worth putting in the effort to be be good husbands and boyfreinds to.

 

 

zipporah 1730 pts

i just found out that MsHeartbeat is Deborrah Cooper's 'handle'. She has a link on this site....

Joyce345 1738 pts

I agree with @ MySmile. The guy on the picture looks really gay. Or is that what male models look like? Dunno.

ElfeV 7093 pts

 Joyce345  maybe the photographer directed him into that look? lolz

Bren82 1318 pts

Why didn't he post/send a pic so we could see how FOINE he is? I think it's a bunch of crap that he can't find a quality black woman, unless he looking on a planet other than Earth...I don't buy his letter. There are several websites geared towards black men and women looking for relationships. Why come here?

dani-BBW 1787 pts

I don't think he's a troll but rather extremely socially awkward touched off with over-inflated ego from being a so-called good catch as a BM. I do know a lot of BM who are reluctant to date non-BW because they've been socialized that successful men who do so are turning their back on the race and are sellouts. 

 

This guy can join a local student chapter for the National Association of Black Accountants and start going to job fairs and regional conferences. Or even a black fraternity - with his high grades any of them will be delighted to take him and raise the chapter GPA. If he doesn't want to pledge/be hazed, he could just be paper - that's the route the D9 orgs are taking these days anyway, so there shouldn't be many social repurcussions.

Lili2009 1827 pts

 dani-BBW He knows all of that (joining social organizations--especially in college where black women outnumber men by how many?) He just wanted to be a bug in our soup, challenging us as to why we don't want a quality man like him. What can he do to change my mind and pick a proper black man (so I don't, as he says, breed out the black)?  Don't change a thing, dude. I'm not "coming home."

wanderingdreamer 9184 pts

 Lili2009  breed out the black?  Gotta laugh when you hear that lol Do these people realise how ridiculous that sounds?. There's a continent called Africa with over 1 billion people in it. Black people are not going anywhere.

AnInterestedObserver 1029 pts

 wanderingdreamer  Lili2009 

 

And it is real strange how I never see the "breed out the Black" argument used against Black men, who let me remind, date/marry out MUCH MORE than Black women.

dani-BBW 1787 pts

 Lili2009 Yeah there's probably some of that too but as a CPA, I've seen my share of socially awkward/weird fellow CPAs and I can completely see some of those guys writing a letter like this; if not this BM, then a WM complaining about WW who date inter-racially. While failing to realize the problem is probably them.

Lili2009 1827 pts

 dani-BBW  Lili2009 It's  not helpful blaming someone's singlehood on outside forces like the small percentage of black women who date or marry IR. It's a weird deflection/projection type of thing. Not saying he should beat himself up, either. But, there are so many avenues to meeting/networking if someone wants only black (or only Jewish, etc.). I have a hard time feeling empathy for this guy as something tells me even if a black woman dating a white woman TODAY, dumped their white beau and went to him, something would be wrong with her (like the fact that she was with a white man in the first place.)

 

Lili2009 1827 pts

 dani-BBW Ooops. I mean "if a black woman were to dump a white MAN today and go for Kevin today"

AnInterestedObserver 1029 pts

 Lili2009  dani-BBW 

 

Very true.

AnInterestedObserver 1029 pts

 dani-BBW 

 

Nobody is calling successful Black men who dat non-Black sellouts and that hasn't happened in ages, if it ever did for that matter.

dani-BBW 1787 pts

 AnInterestedObserver Sorry, I have to disagree. I'm acquainted with BM who came from successful, professional families and/or made money in pro sports/entrepreneurship. These guys faced tremendous pressure from their families to marry/date black women, otherwise they'd be seen as "one of those guys who made it and got with a white girl" (and to these people anyone who is not black might as well be white). I am not saying this is the norm, but there are black families who place pressure on their sons like that. 

AnInterestedObserver 1029 pts

 dani-BBW 

 

 

Be that as it may it is not widespread nor an integral part of Black culture otherwise Black male dating/marrying patterns (in particular the dating/marrying patters of rich/prominent ones) would reflect it. It is what it is.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 dani-BBW  AnInterestedObserver I agree with you dani, in that black men often do get pressure from their families when it comes to dating IR. But I feel like with men it is a little more accepted. It's this, people can have their opinion but this man is going to do whatever he wants to do and the family has to eventually come around. And especially when those pretty biracial kids come out, the family tends to quiet up real quick. If they have any qualms, after a while they will keep them to themselves. 

 

On the other hand, black women seem to get flack for IR relationships at every stage. If they're just thinking about it, just dating. Opinions are much stronger. I have friends who've been told by their families that they'd be disowned if they dared bring home a white boy. One friend of mine who was open to IR as a young teen when we were into the boy band craze quickly flipped her script when her father told her that. Now she's NBABM and hasn't been in a relationship since about 2008. And even if they get married and have the kids. We still get posts like this very one. A BBW member wrote once about being at a family function and some one of her cousins or something approached her and asked her if she was ashamed of having married a white man - this person who was himself married to a white woman. 

 

This backwards idea of IR pairing drowning out the black race as always fallen on women for some strange reason I don't know. Even if a woman has a lot of children, she can only get pregnant so many times. And can only be pregnant by one man at a time (for the most part, lol). A man has the potential to have an infinite amount of women pregnant at one time. So if anyone could drown out a race with their IR pairings it would be black men, not women. 

 

But yeah... :) I agree. 

AnInterestedObserver 1029 pts

Vintage, I agree with everything you say except about the pressure.

cns 708 pts

Why did I just LOL without even reading the article first?

ElfeV 7093 pts

 AnInterestedObserver hahaha

Dandelion100 595 pts

I don't think the guy's a troll. He's just stupid. And most of the time, trolls don't seem to have a handle on the English language. There are guys who just prefer black women. The guy I'm with (it's complicated) is black and has a strong preference for black women. His preference is tall, slender, dark skin, with "poofy hair." I'm "light skinned" and he says he'll never go lighter than me, lol. Race issue aside, I know so many guys who are desperate for girlfriends, but can't get them. Or it's not that they can't get them, they have an idealized idea of a girlfriend in their heads, and will not settle for less. The girl must look like a, b, and c, must be interested in a, b, and c, must not do x, y, and z. Etc, etc. And a lot of the time, these guys just like the guy above and think that all women are a certain way, and that's why they can't get a girlfriend. It's women's fault, not their own fault for being shallow and self centered. If you have such meticulous criteria for a girlfriend, good luck. But if you are willing to open your mind and give all the great girls out there a chance, then you'll have a chance too. L

MySmile 4175 pts

That guy in the picture looks like he's looking for his king instead of his queen lol but maybe that's just me!

arlette81 203 pts

 MySmile

 wow thats not even funny , just mean.

Dandelion100 595 pts

@arlette81 @MySmile Yeah, I don't see how one's sexual preference is evident from one photograph.

MySmile 4175 pts

 Dandelion100  arlette81  I also know there are feminine looking/acting men who aren't gay.

MySmile 4175 pts

 Dandelion100  arlette81  c'mon you guys..I'm just being silly!! You may not know me in real life but I am not a mean or vicious person on or off the internet. I didn't mean any harm. He does look a little feminine in that particular photo but I wasn't gay bashing or anything smh. I just thought it was funny on this post about him looking for his queen.

ElfeV 7093 pts

 Dandelion100  arlette81  MySmile 

 

from that one tho.. >.>

 

FWIW, he looks sweet to me too. not that that's a problem or my business. lol

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

 MySmile  Dandelion100  arlette81 Don't even worry about it, I thought the same thing, and not even as kind, hehe. He just looks effeminate. One can assume.  

Tammy_Ghalden 870 pts

 MySmile Call me evil, but I agree. Hone your gaydar ladies. Women get themselves into messes by playing ignorant.