Is There a Conspiracy in the Traditional Black Church to Keep Black Women Single and Lonely?

Is church keeping you single?

    Author : Christelyn Karazin

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    Originally published on June 13, 2010. _________________________________________

    Why are church-going black women so lonely?

    In the spirit of one of my favorite fluorescent garbed, big-haired 80′s girl band, The Bangles, happy Manic Monday.

    Do you wish it was Sunday, back when you were sitting on those hard, wooden pews, fanning away the heat, and perturbed because you sat in back of a very big woman wearing a hat that resembled a cornucopia?

    Millions of black women went to church yesterday; and chances are that 99.99999% of the single ones went up to the pulpit for the pastor, deacon, or associate minister to ‘lay hands on them’ and pray, for the 12,654,234th time, for God’s favor in finding them a good black man.

    I speak from a position of knowledge.  I used to be one of those women.  Determined to live right, be virtuous, and find a damn man, I attended a very well-known black mega-church in Los Angeles (which will remain nameless, but they know who they are).

    I jumped in with both feet.  Not only did I go every Sunday, I joined the Singles Ministry.  On any given Wednesday, the meeting was populated by about 15 women, and on a good week, 2-3 men.

    The head of the ministry was a cute, twenty-ish black man who got the goo-goo eyes by every lady there under the age of 40.  So when he asked me out, I said, “HELL-TO-THE-YEAH!!” Erhm, I mean, I was really excited.

    Had God answered my prayers?  Would he be the one?  Did I need to get on a 24-hour prayer line real quick so someone could confirm the prophecy?

    Dude showed up at my apartment and suggested we spend the night in.  I guess he was all worn out from all that church-y stuff he did that day.  But always accommodating, and desiring to please, I submitted to the lame-assed date.

    He spent the next four hours trying to get in my pants.  Confused, and trying to speak whilst his tongue was in my mouth, I asked him if he felt any shame for gunning to “know” me in the biblical sense.  Guess what he said?  ”God knows I’ma have sex.”  He said that with all the seriousness afforded to a man of his stature.

    Alex, I’ll take Hypocrisy and Black Male Privilege for $1,000!

    There continues to be a grumbling in the BWE community about the Traditional Black Church’s (TBC) role and possible stake in keeping black women in perpetual singlehood–unless of course they get really, really, really lucky and marry someone within the church and have a bunch of descendents to fill the offering tray.  I caught wind of a Tweet exchange just yesterday on Blow The Trumpet’s page.

    And interracial dating?  Fuggitaboutit.  Someone, maybe even a black woman, will  give you the side eye if you show up with Peter, Pedro, or Phillipe.  Probably single herself, this woman has been successfully brainwashed into holding up the torch for the entire Black Race at the expense of her own happiness.

    Of course, there are strong feelings on both sides of this issue.  But honestly, I’m only interested in the side that will free black women from their bondage, which is why I’m dedicating an entire chapter in the book about it.

    I spoke with dating and relationship expert, blogger, and radio host, Deborrah Cooper, who has some very strong opinions about this issue. As usual, she does not tippy toe.  Take a listen by clicking the link: Deborrah Cooper_black church

    What say you?

    Stand By…

    Deborrah picks up this issue on her blog, www.survivingdating.com, later today.  Yep, we tag-teamed.  It’s just that important.

    Also wanted to plug this Tweeter and blogger, She Ponderings, who wrote a very honest essay about her TBC odyssey.

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      kennaGransberg 101 pts

      you realize you never hear the title 'white church'? do they have hispanic church or asian church??

      myiajhouston 8 pts

      kennaGransberg only if it's main service is in another language...

      eugeniamitchell 3270 pts moderator

      kennaGransberg Yes for latino ppl the church sign is in another language and in Seattle there are Korean Baptist and Chinese Baptist churches everywhere. Actually my mom attends a nationwide bible study group at the Chinese Baptist church. My thought is anyone can join but you'll know who are joining.

      kiki100 163 pts

      That s right Eugenia, we all know what is meant by the black church. And yes the philippnos and koreans have churches with their respective names.

      EliseYMason 135 pts

      kennaGransberg lmbo, I live in SC, hear it all the time!

      actually I go to a white church...

      Pearl 1375 pts

      EliseYMasonkennaGransberg Is it short like they all say?

      EliseYMason 135 pts

      PearlkennaGransberg meh... LOL

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      PearlEliseYMasonkennaGransberg One hour on the dot, lol.

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      kennaGransberg You can see the latino, asian(korean, chinese etc) and "black" church all within a few miles of each other depending on the city, lol. A "white" church probably is not usually considered because they are usually the standard.

      jbutlergreen 25 pts

      Hallelujer!!! and Amen! Well I attend a Mega Church and yet I can't find anybody. I love this church for the word is being preached, I volunteer with one of the many ministries and yet nothing. I finally found out who was leading the Singles Ministry to find out when they meet and he wasn't sure. So I think I will take my little list of my God sent man that's tucked away in my Bible and will pray over it at another church. Just saying....maybe the pews are a little more diverse somewhere else.

      LadyLittlefoot 196 pts

      jbutlergreen I'd say look outside the pews as well because I found from my last church (it was awesome no complaints) that all the men of marriageable age were already taken. It became a downer to spot some one who made my eyes light up only to see him holding hand with someone after service, either the missus or a mini-me.

      valeriesmith15 8 pts

      The purpose of church is to manifest the mandate or the dream of God, we go to church to get build up on the Word and then we use pracitcal methods in our everyday lives. I believe in praying and talking to God about getting a husband, however I also think women need to go to the right churches. It is very important to go to multicultural churches. Write a list of the type of man you are looking for, what you have to offer in the marriage and socialise, go to dinners, dances, exclusive clubs, other functions to meet men, there are lots of Christian men who are not neccessary in church. Visit different churches, being in church 5 times a week,, it will not be easy to find a man, because you are in the one environment.

      It is also good to make yourself more attractive men are visual creatures, loose weight if you need to, where make up, change your clothes, always look nice, because you can meet Godly men in Wholefoods, espeically if you are into eating good quality food, two examples of women getting husbands, Esther and Ruth, both had to set out of their environment, I find that many women go to single conference after single conference, without any goals, Even in Habbukak he said "Write it (your vision) down to make it happen. People who are not interested in your vision, stay away from them, they are vision killers, be around vision dreamers. Not every church is the same, ask the Holy Spirit to send you to the right church, ask for wisdom and insight, because hidden things need to be relieved.

      LadyLittlefoot 196 pts

      valeriesmith15 Love this "People who are not interested in your vision, stay away from them, they are vision killers, be around vision dreamers." And your examples of Esther and Ruth ... especially Ruth. If she wasn't out gleaning in the field Boaz would never have seen her to inquire about her. Ladies, get out there and be a presence and present your best foot forward even if all you are doing is "gleaning."

      nyaw 52 pts

      Pearl What region of the US do you live in? I am attend this awesome church which happens to be a movement, nondenominational, they will be planting a church in boston and just did one in Paris, France and soon other places to. I mean if you are in the regions where is one near you, you can drop by. check out http://dcicc.net/churches to see if there is one near you. Love this conversation.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      nyaw I live in Los Angeles, CA. I googled 'nondenominational' and I LOVE the concept of it. I would definitely attend a church like that. I have always loved going to church but there has always been something going on in the church that was just so 'ungodly' and people walking around acting as if they are holier than thou, it was crazy..

      nyaw 52 pts

      Then you must check out the LA church the site is http://www.caicc.org/ tell me what you think? I have not had the chance to go I am all the way in nyc going to nycicc. Each year all family churches meet up to fellowship!!!

      EliseYMason 135 pts

      Pearlnyaw the best church I ever attended was a home church with about 10 members- it was warm, accepting and honest, like a real family to me, I've been chasing that ever since lol

      Pearl 1375 pts

      EliseYMasonnyaw My church was really small too lol.. they still talked behind my back :-( LOL

      EliseYMason 135 pts

      Pearlnyaw ask me why I still ain't there, families change lol

      nyaw 52 pts

      EliseYMasonPearl

      WAW! I understand you ladies, I was really turnd off with the many things going on in a church I went to. There were people gossipping behind backs to, there was no discipling (giving guidance to be a better disciple). But NOW I am around people talking the talk and trying each day to walk the walk, even leaders in church being open about there struggles of impure thoughts especially something like masterbation. I have never before seen this.... When I see people like you guys chatting like this it makes me want to just share about where you all can find that peace and grow spiritually and if anyone is struggling with anything (being lustful etc.) they are put in check, guided but the key is to be open about what is going on in your life...so there are churches (definition, the whole body of Christians) out there.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      nyawEliseYMason Sometimes it gets really hard, finding a Church but you know what its always totally worth it when your at a good Church.

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      PearlnyawEliseYMason The church I am at now does so much for others. There are so many ministries for every scenario domestic and abroad. The youth ministry is really good. There's a farm to support the twin city food banks here. There were three homes built for transitional housing for homeless families. It's off the chain abroad as well. It is an awesome church to go to!

      Pearl 1375 pts

      Mocha ZnyawEliseYMason It sound like a really great church, I just wish there were more..

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      PearlnyawEliseYMason My church in Az was half as much this one and was good. This one is in Temecula so you just have to move near us, lol! My 16 year old daughter loves it too.

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      Pearl Daughter actually still goes to another church that we went to while she played tennis in San Diego. She has a ton of friends there and just goest to their youth night. Oh and she is home schooled, so you two have a few things in common.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      Mocha Z That's cool, I remember at my old church.. the Sunday school teachers son looked to evil I mean It was crazy he looked sooo mean lol.. thats another reason why I left too

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      Pearl Sunday school was a trip for me too, lol. My daughter is over my shoulder and just said her Sunday school was just fine....like, "mine was good...oh well".

      Pearl 1375 pts

      Mocha Z I just don't like evil looking people at church, its very backwards lol, And you know what, when we were giving money in those plates they were spending it on themselves, NO, I even remember when I went to family reunion, the plate went around TWICE, it was so hilarious, and churches in the south are so dramatic, the preacher was jumping yelling and crying..

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      Pearl Yeah, my dad used to be a part of the pass the plate for the pastors new mercedes kind of church. I asked how he could be a part of a congregation that operated like that...he finally left and hasn't looked back. He was the associate pastor at the Los Angeles Union Rescue Mission after that.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      Mocha Z And its not that I don't like giving money to the church, but at least spend it on THE CHURCH, or sometimes to help the needy or the less fortunate in the church. I mean thats what I feel it should be for.

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      Pearl Exactly...like I explained about the other church. Makes you want to make/give more. The local and world wide ministries are more important than the pastors new suit, shoes and car.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      Mocha Z EXACTLY, and I notice its always with the black church.. why? Why must they do that, as much as that money can help in the BC, its utter selfishness

      Mocha Z 1402 pts

      Pearl Ima bout to sin...going to watch Mrs Brown (BBC Movie).....Gerard B is in it.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      Mocha Z LOL, I love him, so manly

      nyaw 52 pts

      Pearl It is sin when the person does not believe in the same doctrine and you become yoked with someone... that is not only interracial relationships but same "race" to. It is hard though (when you meet people you might like them and you try to show them God and they don't believe, could be sad) because these relationships can pull you away from God and his teachings.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      nyaw Yes that is completely true :-D, It's hard to be with someone who doesn't believe the same things as you

      EbonyLoveandMarriage 8 pts

      Pearlnyaw if you have common fundamental beliefs and you talk about these things upfront you should be able to make it work, especially if you accept each other for who you are and don't see the relationship as a conversion mission. I knew a female that was engaged and let the man go because he wouldn't get RE-baptized in the name of JC after being baptized saying "father, son and holy ghost".. she is over 40 and STILL SINGLE to my knowledge. There are White churches with parallel doctrines and practices. I know because there are people in my family in ministry and I have witnessed my share. For every predominately black denomination, there is a parallel white one. They usually split up in the early 1900s over a particular doctrine and then over Racism. I don't believe everything my partner believes. I am not Talmudic, BUT we both agree on following Torah. some of his interpretations are different than mine. But I ain't about to be SINGLE over not eating meat and dairy together. Some black females would end the relationship over it. You are NEVER going to find someone who agrees with you on EVERY-thing. Go for the things that really matter in everyday life. Chuck the rest.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      EbonyLoveandMarriagenyaw To each their own, okay. Its not hard for me to find a guy or boy who believes in the same god and fears him as much as I do.. I have met guys that love the lord more than I do.. You just have to go to places where they are... er uh start EARLY..in my case and don't waste time

      EbonyLoveandMarriage 8 pts

      Pearlnyaw Well I hear females all the time talking about how "hard" it is to find someone who believes like they do... If you think it's THAT easy, you have found your niche! Help those females find em! But I thought you might like to check this out. IT illustrates my point that it isn't just a "black church' thing but a CHURCH/ or Christian thinking things - "

      request for advicePosted by Jim Reed on August 18, 2010 at 9:33 AM

      Dear Ms. Anthea, I have a problem something like that with my wife. She is an African. When we were married, we were not religious, and for me it was very important to question any religious belief. After our first child she started to become religious, and currently attends a non-denominational white evalgelical church. I was invited to a few of their functions (they have several per week), but they soon learned I was going to question religion and say things people didn't want to hear, so I am no longer invited to any. Jesus (real or imagined) is the most important thing to my wife, like you describe in this article. I used to think if she switched from that white church to a black church things might be in some way better, but after reading what you wrote now I am thinking that might just make things worse. What advice would you give me?"

      Pearl 1375 pts

      EbonyLoveandMarriagenyaw I just believe that if you want something you go out there and get it.. I'm not waiting on anything that I can get myself

      EbonyLoveandMarriage 8 pts

      Pearlnyaw I'm with you on THAT one! ;)

      nyaw 52 pts

      I only was now able to follow the convo, there are so many good topics being posted...AWESOME! Pearl Yeah you are so right you do not have to compromise on something important to you for love. EbonyLoveandMarriage The relationship people, including myself, have with God is like a relationship. So if something is important to you and you go along and get yoked with someone indifferent, it would be the beginning of unhappiness, disappointment and lots of convincing ( why you make the choices you make). What brothers(no particular ethnicity and stereotype) in churches should be doing to help their sisters is getting more men involved in living a righteous life so they could have spot with God, that is only if they want it. Also train them by living the life they should live as well.

      nyaw 52 pts

      part 2.

      PEOPLE see religion(definition, a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the) as a dictatorship someone telling you what to do...so why do people not want to do good and live blameless? To live this life is not as bad as people think it is, at the end of it all when you prepare to die you know where you are heading.....just saying..luv this :)

      nyaw 52 pts

      Bunny77 Well they saying that "do not judge" because they read the bible but pick and choose what to follow. It is okay to judge your fellow bro or sis, but from a loving place by helping guide them and they have to be humble about it because that is how he wants us to be. When it comes to everything in the world, that, we do not judge. That will be left up to God to do.

      nyaw 52 pts

      Pearl No not brainwashing, but false doctrines are being taught leading people astray... Many are not set appart from what is happening in the world...It is the same. God's children look different and we should worship together, not appart.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      nyaw Exactly, that reminds me of the church telling the women that interracial dating is a sin..

      MyBetterSelf 38 pts

      nyaw

      I agree on differentiating between false doctrine and preaching/teaching that squares with the Word of God. I go to a church that emphasizes Christian education, and life application of the Word. Even so, the old saying holds true about EVERYBODY in church ain't saved, or tryin' to act right. People’s spiritual growth, levels of maturity, behavior in church is a microcosm of society. And in the case of a lot of black churches, the black community too. Worshiping at the same church doesn't automatically gain my "good friend level" trust.

      As far as the church keeping bw single, IDK, I think that's more about a GAT-DL undercurrent/mentality present within some churches. I was just never completely sold on the "hold out for a black man or die" mindset from the start, in church or out. I've always had an attraction to white men, asian men, and sometimes black men. I go to a baptist, predominantly black church and I truly enjoy it. But I go there for God's Word, and to further my walk with Christ. As far as finding a husband there, I let that notion go a couple decades ago. Like most black churches, the women outnumber the men and of the men who are single and in my age range, well, I'm just not interested in them. Given my top of list future husband criteria is for him to be a Christian -- walking and living it throughout all aspects of his life, and the objective fact of the numbers not being in my favor, etc. no prob. I probably won't meet Mr. Right IN church (or some church function, ministry, etc.). My last two long-term relationships (one white, the other multiracial: black and white) came from outside the church walls; but these men knew from jump the importance of my faith to me, and even sought to grow more themselves. One (wm) even joined church, was baptized and actively participated in ministry. All of this was about 11 years ago. Sharing timeframe for context. Did I get the side-eye from some of my brothers and sisters? Oh yeah. But since I was and still am a long-term member of this church, knew other members, I also received a lot of positive comments from folks who genuinely seemed happy that I was happy. Again, it's a microcosm, from the GAT-DL to people who do care and just want to see you happy whatever that looks like. Over the years I've noticed more younger bw/wm, bm/wm (more of these than bw/wm), college-age folks attending service together. Don't know if they're couples or not, but I'm just glad to see it.

      MyBetterSelf 38 pts

      For me it comes down to the various "don't limit God" lessons I've learned throughout life. Christians work, play, travel go shopping, do all kinds of everyday stuff outside of the church walls -- AND come in all the various shades of skin God made. I might meet Mr. Right at the grocery store, bookstore, through a mutual acquaintance, who knows. I'm not going to limit God on the place we first meet or the skin color of my future husband.

      Pearl 1375 pts

      Church is not a bad place.. but brain washing is and that is common in all black churches.

      I like church I do, but I will only go to one in a mixed area.. and I might meet by love their you never know .....

      But never at a black church.... as we all can see

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