Notes About the Bus Driver with the Killer Uppercut: “Men Are People Too”

Notes About the Bus Driver with the Killer Uppercut: “Men Are People Too”

For the passed few days, everyone has been speculating about the woman receiving the, “FINISH HIM!!” uppercut. But what about the man who was, hit and spit on?

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When it was reported that a 25-year old Cleveland woman riding an RTA bus was uppercut and violently thrown off said bus by the 59-year old bus driver whom she had assaulted just moments before, opinion on the woman’s actions ran the gamut. Some said that what she had done to the driver warranted his treatment of her–reportedly, she had grabbed him by the throat, spit in his face, and struck him. Other people said that no matter what the woman had done, the bus driver was wrong because there are absolutely no circumstances in which a man is ever justified in hitting a woman.

In all of the going back and forth over who was right and who was wrong, one question that seemed to get lost in the turmoil was “Is it ever OK to hit a man?”

Obviously the average man has more muscle mass than the average woman, and thus will be stronger than the average size woman. Due to the weight, size, and muscle advantage that men–on average–have over women, the general consensus has been that men should not his women because men have a natural physical advantage over women and are more likely to seriously harm a woman in a fight. In recognition of this natural advantage, men haven’t tended to hit women or treat them the same way that a woman would be treated by the same offenses.

Unfortunately in the rush to defend women against the unfair advantage of men, and in the clamor to bring attention to domestic violence, it has been forgotten that men have feelings and can feel pain too. Rather than claiming that it is never OK to hit a woman, perhaps the saying should be that it is never OK for anyone to hit anyone else. Forget about whether or not the person being assaulted is a man or a woman–everyone just needs to keep their hands to themselves, or be prepared to face the consequences. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Discussions where people are arguing over whether or not a man should retaliate against a woman without it also being argued equally vociferously that a women never has any right to put her hands on a man remind me of a time when white doctors would perform experiments on blacks that would never be performed on white people. The medical establishment reasoned that blacks were biologically and physically different from whites, that blacks were better able to withstand pain than white people. White people were full-fledged humans, deserving of having their mental and physical integrity remain in tact and off limits from assault. Black people had no such privilege. Are we not now treating men the same way we once treated blacks when we argue that it is OK–or, at least it is “not quite as bad”–to hit a man as it is to hit a woman?

Furthermore, by not recognizing that men have feelings which are just as valid as the feelings of women, and that men feel pain just like women do, are we not encouraging–or, at least, refusing to discourage–violence against and among men?

In order for the humanity of women to be accepted, the humanity of men needs to be accepted. Women have no right to ask more of others than they feel it is acceptable for someone to ask of them. That is equality. And if women want equality, justice, and fairness, then they have to be willing to extend those standards to men.
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Jamila Akil is a senior editor at Beyond Black and White. Follow her on Twitter @jamilaakil or email her at jamilathewriter-at-gmail-dot-com.

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iHeartLove 804 pts

It is possible for two people to be wrong. Both acted wrong IMO. 

uninterracial 948 pts

AMEN. My cousin in-law just went through a DV situation with his now ex-GF who is a Chinese National. They were living together and she actually beat him up when they had a big argument about something. My CIL is a big guy and could have easily snapped her in half, but he didn't. He went to work the next day, beaten and bruised, and extremely hurt by the situation. Some friends of his inquired about what was happening and they saw his injuries and immediately took action. Police report, pictures, R.O., the works. They moved him out of the Apt. and he moved someone where this chick couldn't find him. She was ultimately charged with assault so now from what I'm told when she applies for another VISA, she won't be welcomed back into the US.

 

Guys got to realize that if they hit back, their lives will be altered forever personally and professionally. It's just not worth it for them to fight back even if it's not fair.

DU2 2170 pts

@uninterracial so what is the solution in violent situations ? Men go running to the police everytime a neurotic female punches scratches spits stabs him? She can be as violent as he likes because she has a vagina ?

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

 DUsher I'm not sure.. it's complicated, I think what people need to understand is that everyone is not going to the 'right' thing. People women and men need to understand that if you go all caveman on someone and expect them not to do the same thing to you because 'he's a man' they are dumb as hell.   Act right and don't make confrontation and especially DON'T PUT YOU HANDS ON NOBODY. You can't be running around punching on people because 'he's a man and won't hit me back.' 

 

The more I talk about it the less I care honestly. The women I'm around don't even act like this. Nobody is defending what he did. We are just using common sense. 

 

I think going to the police would sting more than a punch though. This woman is not even allowed back into the country and she was charged with assault. That's way better. 

 

This is actually why I don't even ride the bus. **** the bus man. 

 

 

 

cns 699 pts

 DUsher  uninterracial

 I would sat yes, if any person(man or woman) is violent have them arrested on the spot.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

I am a bit on the fence about this whole issue. Honestly, part of me feels the girl deserved it. But I do feel they were both in the wrong. As a bus driver, the man could have easily let this police take care of this.

 

I don't know about laws in other states, but I know in NYC assaulting a bus driver is a felony that can land you up to 7 years in jail. He didn't have to do anything and she would have been screwed. Especially since there was already someone filming. So apparently neither of the parties are pressing charges against each other, I feel that is clearly because they both have fault in the issue so for neither justice will really be served.

 

I know many black people don't particular trust police for whatever, but I feel like this is a situation that should have been put in the hands of the proper authorities. The whole issue was that she didn't want to pay her fair and then got loud and attacked the man, he could have easily had her arrested and went about his day.

 

No body should be risking their jobs or their freedoms for some random ignorant person. I feel it very unfortunate that he man did not think of that before hand. 

 

I feel he shouldn't have hit her back. Not because she's a woman, but because he had the law on his side and he neglected that.

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

My mother was also very intolerant of me beating up on men or hitting them. Although I grew up in a home with domestic violence, if my mother ever caught me hitting a man she would have slapped me. Not only does it look silly, but it's completely stupid. My small hands could do very little damage anyway, but I would be the one looking stupid. It's not a good look at all. If you get pissed at a man just throw his stuff away, don't hit him. If it's on the job, get him fired. If you want to get back at men, do it mentally. That way you won't look dumb and risk your self an.. ahem uppercut. 

heyimPearlilikefries 2091 pts

I totally agree. If it ain't play fighting it's not good at all. 

 

We have to start holding women accountable for their actions too. This isn't the 50's anymore, you are independent, you make your own decisions,  and when you make dumb decisions be prepared for the consequences. I hate hearing 'but she's a woman.' I mean, what's it gonna be? You were strong and independent and 'nobody could tell you non' and then all of a sudden 'she's just a woman and she's weak?' What's it gonna be?

 

Bullcrap. It's like when everything is going you way and your big and bad, then something bad happens and you're a woman now and you're weak. Boohoo. 

 

Don't put you're hands on nobody. 

 

I do think HE could have handled the situation better. But... what if it was you? Some hoodrat walks in your house spits on you, grabs your neck and hits you in the face? The last thing I would be thinking about is 'the right thing to do' HONESTLY. 

DU2 2170 pts

 Jamila  WELL SAID, in all the comments to run and defend this young lady most of the commenters on the other pose COMPLETELY ignore the other side of this scenario.

Avoc42883 1222 pts

 DUsher  Jamila I think the rush to defend this woman is because in other segments of web people seemed to express a little TOO much glee at the sight of this woman getting beat.  Just because I think this woman was 100% in the wrong doesn't mean I can deny the very specific form of racial misogyny being directed at her.  "hoodrat" "n*ggab*tch" and everyone's favorite "c*nt" are all words I've seen used to describe her repeatedly.

Jamila 7213 pts moderator

 Avoc42883  DUsher "Just because I think this woman was 100% in the wrong doesn't mean I can deny the very specific form of racial misogyny being directed at her."

 

I can see where that is coming from (both your opinion and the way that other people are reacting, i.e., "she is getting her comeuppance"). I do think that her class status, race, and demeanor all play a part in the way that some people have a lack of sympathy for her. 

DU2 2170 pts

 Avoc42883  JamilaBut see that is where part of the problem lies, people admit her part in the matter was wrong but then they bury it  under a barage of  other details to distract from  her erratic behavior. it goes like this:"yeah she was wrong BUT,  then insert the 5 page disertation of what the bus driver should have done or how wrong the people were for calling her names."Peoples attitudes towards black women many times is negative already. it makes matters worse when behavior like this feeds the sterotypes and the disdain.

temple 793 pts

 DUsher  Avoc42883  Jamila No, what some have said is 'yes, she was all wrong & he should have called the cops on her.'  As VintageNarcissa said it's a felony to attack a public servant in NY, and this is likely true in many urban areas or even many areas in general.  Personally, I see sending her arse to jail as the best revenge.  And he would have kept his job and/or not be wondering if he still has a job.

Avoc42883 1222 pts

while I still think that man shouldn't have hit her like that, I get it.  For the record the reason I think the main he shouldn't have retaliated was because he wasn't acting out of self-defense, he was acting out of retaliation and it was unprofessional.  At the same time I get it.  Dealing with the public is rough, especially in a big city.  Imagine doing your job and being SPIT ON.  I honestly think he just snapped. 

Skayi 505 pts

"Keep your hands to yourself." My mom always said. Best advice.

Tammy_Ghalden 864 pts

I completely agree with this post.

kiki100 630 pts

Nice to see people are not defending this woman. I can only imagine what the black woman haters will post abou this.  Hood life....Women are like men.

IAOSingleMoms 876 pts

In watching the video, it is hard to see that she did anything to the bus driver. Which is why when I initially saw the video, I disgusted at how the bus driver handled it. I mean, he was strangling her which from my view, he could hav easily snapped her neck. However, I didn't know the extent to what she had done to cause his rage and the "spiting in the face" yeah...that would make anyone snap...so I don't blame him.

FriendsofJay 1827 pts

Great article Jamila.  Women should use their femininity as a shield rather than a spear.  By that I mean that when a woman thinks she is invulnerable simply because she's a women, she can be tempted to push the envelope and go too far.  Most women know within 2 or 3% just how far they can push any given man.  Sometimes they miscalculate and get hurt.  The further down you go in the socio-economic scale, the more likelihood of both male and female resorting to violence.  Jamila is right.  Lets teach everyone from a early age to keep their hands to themselves.  Violence seems to beget violence.  That's the problem.  Harmony comes from treating others as you would have them treat you.

bluegrass 70 pts

This is a very interesting post. While I agree that a man should never hit a woman as a rule of thumb, I think it is worth considering--when is it OK to hit a man? The truth is, I think it's almost never OK to hit a man, and, under those rare circumstances, it would probably also be OK to hit  a woman. One example I can think of is if someone poses an imminent physical threat to you or your children. Getting physical with drivers of planes or buses is another example, but it raises another important consideration.

 

If you look at examples in the media where someone tried to enter the cockpit, they were usually tackled, not hit. The idea is that, if someone is trying to physically harm someone, you want to physically subdue them without resorting to hitting. Thus, in the bus example, someone should have physically subdued the woman and possibly tackled her rather than hitting her. I guess the final question for me is: when people say that it's never OK to hit a woman, and that it's presumably OK to hit a man, are they saying that hitting is an appropriate way to physically subdue a man without seriously injuring him, but that can't be done with women? I think that would explain it, but of course I think many men could be seriously injured if you hit them. Anyway, good post.

DU2 2170 pts

 bluegrass of course in self defense situations the rules change. To protect and defend yourself or your family against the assault of another regardless of gender is allowable. As you know what we are talking about here is the dismissal of men, their feelings and reception of pain when the aggressor is a female. On the original post, most of the commentors overwhelmingly supported the woman despite her DBR behavior by giving her an absolution while completely condemning the man to hell. They wanted the man completely held accountable while dismissing her behavior in the process.

 

Karla 18226 pts

"...perhaps the saying should be that it is never OK for anyone to hit anyone else."  Yes, yes and yes.  I sure hope they were both arrested for assault.

Jamila 7213 pts moderator

 Karla They both declined to press charges against each other, which is another indication of the fact that they were both in the wrong.

Karla 18226 pts

 JamilaYes.  When they got a whiff of the police station and had time to think, I'm sure cooler heads prevailed.  Now why couldn't this have happened before their encounter turned into a slug/spit fest?  What is it with some people?  Either they have to express every thought in their head or act on every emotion they experience.  Whatever happened to being cool and rational thought?

Zaire 83 pts

My thoughts exactly. I've always been taught instead of boys not hitting girls, we shouldn't put our hands on each other at all. So when people keep saying he shouldn't  have hit her, I'm thinking they are both in the wrong. She should've gotten off of the bus if she didn't have bus fare, and he could've called the cops if she had refused to do so. I think people have forgotten that he as a man does indeed have feelings, that all men are capable of feeling pain, and other emotions.