Question of the Week: “After Two Years, He Left Me. What Did I Do Wrong?”

Question of the Week: “After Two Years, He Left Me. What Did I Do Wrong?”

They dated two years. She thought they’d get married, he had other plans.

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Hi Christlyn,

Ok so here is my problem. I have been in a serious monogamous relationship for the past two years. There were no signs that there were any problems it was a great relationship with what I thought would be the man that I would marry. I know you are going to say that I made a very stupid move for what I am about to tell you but like I said, this man was promising to marry me so here goes:

Last year he moved down to where I was to be closer to me. During the year and a half that he has been down here, he has had 2 brand new cars that I financed for him. I didn’t see the real problem with this (I do now) because we were making plans to be married by the end of this year. However, May of this year, after only a month of having the second car I got for him, he decided that he didn’t want to be in a relationship that he wanted to work on himself and be single. Two days later he slept with his co worker [also black] who he had been secretly talking to every night not once but four times.

This devastated me and right then I was trying to move on without him. But for the past 5 months he has been toting with my emotions. One week he would say that he would want to be with me 2 weeks later he would change his mind or say that he just couldn’t choose between me and the co worker he slept with. Finally about a week ago he made up his mind that he never wanted to get married that he thought it was better for him “spiritually” to be single. But I had this inner turmoil that there was more to the story. So this week he tells me he has once again changed his mind because the co worker he slept with has confessed (bullshit) how much she really needs and wants him however she is already involved and doesn’t want to be with anyone his size so he is thus truthful loose weight for her so that she would accept him. The advice I need is what the he’ll did I do or did not to for someone to just come in and ruin my entire life in a matter of months? Was it because I was saving myself for marriage and he just couldn’t keep his dick in his pants? Or was it really me that u trusted in this relationship so much that I gave much and he just wanted more excitement in his life? I am trying to move on the best I can by going back to school and trying to stay busy but when you are with someone for that long, it is very hard. Please! I need advice!

Some many things happening here, but I pick the most important: His assjack-ness is not, I repeat NOT your fault. And in this instance, be glad you wanted to save yourself for marriage rather than waste that gift (yes; it is a gift) on someone who does not deserve it.

Secondly, you and I had a nice chat through email and you informed me that this “woman” knew your ex, who is white, was in a relationship with you. You also mentioned that this is the first time she’s ever ventured into an interracial relationship. I believe she poached him for herself, knowing up front that he’s open to swirling, and this became a contest for her.

This happened to me once, albeit in high school, she-wolves prey at all ages. I started dating my first love, who was Hispanic and cute as hell. But! No one noticed him, because he was sort of quiet and reserved. And NO black girls even glanced his way. Until me. They saw us holding hands, making out at lunchtime, him passing me love notes. Then, all of a sudden, Ronnie Cambaliza was the hottest guy in school with the black girls and BINGO! he cheated on me with my frenemy.

Of course I was devastated, but trust me–after I found out about the subsequent felonies he committed and was jailed for after graduation, I was happy the trollop waved her panties at him.

Now to the financing two cars part. I’ll have to spank you on this one, chile. No…better: I hereby rule that you watch 10 hours of “Judge Judy,” who has too many stories of women who have done the same things because they were under the impression the man they were dating was going to make them a missus. Never, ever jeopardize your credit for anyone. Wait until you have the ring, the ceremony and pen to paper. In fact, never date a man who doesn’t have good enough credit to finance a car for himself. That’s clue Numero Uno that he can’t manage himself, let alone manage the rigors of being a husband and potential father and provider of your 10 kids.

But trust me on this, I know you’re mourning this relationship, but you dodged a major bullet too.

Ladies, did I miss anything?

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attractingmenmastery 9 pts

Train wreck from the moment she decided to be his bank and "save" herself for marriage.  Sorry it ended this way for her, but it's very difficult to hear women carry around the mindset that they also have to trade their vaginas for marriage.

Rissie 8 pts

I don't think a man's credit score necessarily represents whether or not he can handle himself financially. He may had made a mistake in his past that is affecting his credit score now that he's trying really hard to put back on the mend (we all know that bad credit or a financial mistake doesn't go away overnight) I think it more has to do with his actions with how he handles money and believe me, if he can't handle his money, you'll be able to tell ;)

Black women are confused. White women are confused. Men, regardless of race, are confused. These are the times we live in. Sex roles are changing, which is confusing. The advent of Feminism has given women sexual choices they wouldn't have had otherwise, which confused the hell out of them. The feminist sexual revolution was a boon for men but a bit of a downer for women. This letter and the accompanying commentary is testament to that. We can thank Feminism (and immigration) for the low sex ratio we have experienced. The sex ratio advantages men and disadvantages women. It seems to me, and a number of posters have already suggested this, is for women to adequately vet men, which includes NOT having sex until commitment is secured. It amazes me how many women overlook this vital step.

The price of sex has been lowered dramatically:

http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/09/27/hookinguprealities/has-the-price-of-sex-bottomed-out/

The essay is good along with the accompanying links. Susan Walsh has become one of my favorite essayists on the topic of male/female relationships. Her website was referenced in the latest issue of The Atlantic:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/8654/1/

I have to say all of this pro-virgin/anti-virgin battling is straw man logic. The letter that spawned this conversation and Deborah's advice is contextually based on a woman who obviously valued her virginity above all other things--including values that involve being treated like a basic human being. If it's your choice to be virgin that's on you--I am happy for you. That's an excellent choice if it fits your moral code and value system. And it's Deborah's choice to have the opinions she has. I am inclined to agree with what she said. But, really at the end of the day she is talking to/about a woman who has clearly placed so much value in her virginity and none on being treated like a basic human being. That my friends is backward and has nothing to do with virginity being valid or non-valid choice. It has to do with women believing that being a virgin somehow exempts them from having to take responsibility for themselves and their actions.

Sex is a wonderful gift from God giving to married people. God did not intend for children to be in divided or broken homes. He did not intend for women to be put on earth for the mere sexually satisfaction of men. He wants men, women and children to be happy. As humans it natural to have sexual feelings and to want to give and received love and intimacy. But just by having sexual feelings does not mean that we are free to do whatever we want (without consequence). Just image what our life would be like if we slapped someone every time we became angry. Our angry may be justified but hitting someone is not. The same as sex, we naturally have a desire for sex and intimacy but our bodies (both men and women) are not for everyone, just a special one.

What if you don't want children? What if you like sex, many women do not just men? And please read Song of Solomon b/c God did make sex for pleasure too. Yes you need to have sex with who you love, loves you and intimate partner. Why do women think men are incapable of doing that outside a marriage? What if you don't believe in God, I mean in the U.S. and many other countries not everyone believes in God. In the U.S. freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. Just asking some questions.

A lot of you are making some really great points especially NYCLisa about making sure that the stories are legit. All I can offer is an echo of all the other comments...DON'T GO BACK TO THIS GUY!!! FIND SOMEONE BETTER.

On another note: I am a woman who is proud of the fact that I had sex for the first time AFTER 25 albeit fornication. I was a pentecostal Christian who was totally against premarital sex until I had a crisis of faith and sex was one of the first things I wanted. However, I reject the notion of "saving yourself for your husband" because there are more important reasons to abstain...namely avoiding std's. If we want to be honest, most men have no interest in saving themselves for their wives so women don't owe them anything. It should be a two-way street or nothing at all, IMO. I know all about the concept of sin but I must be honest and say that there is a bit of a relief that I "took that plunge." Virgins may not be a pain in the butt but come on, a 40-year-old virgin? No offense to anyone but for me, I just couldn't enter that phase of my life with "no experience."

I needed to add that there are way too many insults and disrespect coming from BOTH sides. This is something I've seen on various BWE forums. Constructive criticism is fine but please remember that black women are torn down on a regular basis. I would think that BWE would be a safe haven for us.

Hi Christelyn,

I sent you an email with 2 attachments that I absolutely love and hope you will consider posting Re: Vetting men. I wrote before but used my middle name Renee at the same email address. I look forward to hearing if you like them and will use.

Thanks,
Amanda

SEX is for MARRIAGE that is why it is a INSTITUTION in our society.For the woman on here that think pre martial sex is the norm and not taboo I can guarantee that your on a one way ticket down wrong path. God has clearly defined in numerous scriptures in the Judo-Christian-Islam religions that pre-martial sex is a SIN, and that sex is purely for married couples. If that guy really loved her he would have made her an honest woman and married her, instead left her bitter and scorned. Dont let that guy get you down, there are lot of men who want to get on you and off you. But trust me there are men that share the same views about abstinence or are willing to respect your wishes. Trust me at the end of the day the only being you should try to make happy is yourself and GOD. Bless y'all

I will say that I do not regret not having sex with some of the men that I have been smitten with, especially after finding out that they were jerks. I don't know many women who can say that who actually did have sex with men that where jerks. Even if the sex was mind-blowing most women will still regret having sex with a jerk. Being sexually satisfied by a man means nothing if he will treat you like dirt afterwards. I would rather end a bad relationship with a man before I have sex with him rather than after. There are many advantages to being a virgin. No unplanned pregnancies, No abortions, No STD’s and No emotional pain associated with being used or taken for granted.

(((kissing CNS)))) Thank you for this common sense post!

Are you sistas out there reading this? This is the kind of Black women we need dating in the global village.

Eugenia: "As if you’ll be punished if you have sex in a committed relationship."

Well some people do believe that sex outside of marriage is a sin.

I personally don't, but who is anyone here to say that someone is stupid or wrong to believe that.

You know what kitty, I don't care what you go to say. You are the most judgmental person I've seen in my life and you never have anything to add except your judgment. You are not God nor are his sidekick. So you what you think ppl deserve has no bearing in their lives. There are ton of sins, one is not worse than the other. Read Leviticus if you actually read the bible but you know what, that's why Jesus came so you can be forgiven and slate wiped clean. I'm glad I worship him and don't have to worry about Pharisees like you. And I'm quite sure from reading some of the posts that you are as guilty as anyone else regarding sinning. Unless of course, you ascended to heaven which I doubt. So while lining everybody else up for their punishment, get in that line yourself, your self-righteousness and smugness definitely deserves some punishment if it's being given out.

Chirstelyn,

These Question of the week letters really make Black women look BAAAD and beyond pathetic. I'm not even joking. Anyone who ventures here and reads these letters can clearly come to the conclusion that Black women are very dysfucntional women with a lot of issues and emotional instability when it comes to men and relationships.

If there are loser men out there looking for a nice easy prey, Black women are it. Black women seem to just loooove entertaining loser males and then blaming them when the chips fall by playing the innocent victim who was "victimized".

All these comments about how much of a "loser" these men are is just further proof of Black women's inability to see the forest for the trees. If You make dumb ass choices don't use your brain then you will find yourself in these situations. How is it some women can avoid dating and being with these kinds of men and others don't? The difference is some women use their damn NOODLE that's what!

I cannot say how EMBARESSING it is to read these patehtic letters week after week. it appears that Black women lack critical thinking skills and self value. What quality man of any race wants to risk being with women who generaly are shown to have these traits? I mean really. Enough is enough already.

And the babying that goes on here for these fools is also embaressing. These women need to be told flat out they are acting like dumb teenagers and not grown women!

First, from a person who makes typos ALL the time, the word is, "embarrassing" not "embaressing."

And yes; I do see a lot of naiveté with young black girls and women, but knowing how to vet a man doesn't happen in a vacuum. You don't just magically know this stuff. If you are not taught, if you saw your mother being played by a string of men and your dad was no where to be found, how does one learn how to be treated? If you don't know, how can you blame someone for their ignorance? Girls without attentive fathers don't know how the hell to choose men...usually. The job of the father is to display HOW the daughter should EXPECT to be treated. But not to worry; I'm on the case. Vetting series coming soon.

Yes! This is it exactly. Unfortunately, some of us have to learn from our own bad choices. But by all means learn. Lessons from this situation: 1) Giving to a man who doesn't appreciate you or the type of relationship you want always ends the same- him with someone else and you feeling hurt/silly. 2)Such giving should never, ever involve large sums of money or lines of credit. 3) When and if said man chooses to be with someone else, do not entitle him to go to and fro as he pleases- CUT HIM OFF!!!

Chris,

LOL thanks for the typo correction, I didn't use spell check :)

I do understand that a lot of Black women do not come from environments that have fostered healthy relationships. But maybe it’s just me b/c aren't some things just COMMON SENSE?

Maybe not. It seems Black women have become so desperate for love that they throw all common sense out the window. You mentioned Judge Judy. Just the other day some Black woman was on there suing some Black loser who used her. They had not even been dating ONE MONTH and she "loaned" him $1200. Now he did not pay it back. But then he asks her to get him a new car b/c his credit was bad. What does this idiot do? Goes right down to the car place and puts a car under her name for this LOSER. Now she is suing him b/c he skipped payment son the car. Now. If a man had to "BORROW" $1200 from you and hasn't paid you back, why would your DUMB ASS go and get a car in your name for him and expect him to make him payments?????

There are countless other real life stories that I know of where idiotic Black women do this for losers and then want to bitch and complain and sue later.

See this is the kind of stupid shit Black women are doing and its getting to a point where I have to ask myself WHAT will it take for Black women to stop acting like they lack brain matter?

This is as you said the result of having no male figure in the homes and growing up in single women ran homes with mothers who did the same thing.

But somewhere this needs to end. B/C all Black women are going to do is take their issues and problems from one race of man to another. The same issues and problems Black women are having with Black men are the same issues and problems happening with White men. I don’t see a difference here. But I do see a common denominator. Black women always choosing losers men (no matter the race) getting played and then acting like they don’t know what to do or what happened.

LOSERS are attracted to women who they know they can get over.

I am starting to feel Black women in general should remain single until they develop better mating skills.

I agree with the vetting series. That’s a grrreat idea b/c its REALLY REALLY needed. Instead of posting letters of the week, Black women need to be reading Vetting tips of the DAY.

You know Guess Who I have read four of your post here and lets see, yep, there is a consistent theme.

Black Women are dumb and should stay single.

You spend most of your time here running Black Women down than offering any substantive advice. Your posts are really a drag to read and add nothing meaningful to the discussion.

I am going to take you at your word that you are a black women. Why are you on this path girlfriend? Your posts are always the same. Self hate much? I mean talk about dysfunction. You come off as someone who has something YOU need to get off your chest. Come on girlfriend you can tell us. What did you do?

I doubt it's a black woman. "Guess who?" implies that this jackass is a troll that was kicked off the site, most likely a bitter BM who both hates black women and yet has such a fragile ego, cannot stand the thought of a page like this .

Fortunately, such people aren't as smart as they think they are, as the name suggests. If you're a new commenter to the blog, you wouldn't say "guess who" because who the heck knows who you are?

This person clearly has issues, and isn't worth the energy.

I doubt it's a black woman. "Guess who?" implies that this jackass is a troll that was kicked off the site, most likely a bitter BM who both hates black women and yet has such a fragile ego, cannot stand the thought of a page like this .

Fortunately, such people aren't as smart as they think they are, as the name suggests. If you're a new commenter to the blog, you wouldn't say "guess who" because who the heck knows who you are?

This person clearly has issues, and isn't worth the energy.

Toni, This is either a dude or a male-identified woman b/c they keep coming back and saying the same thing and yea they got some deep issues.

Brenda,

I am telling the truth b/c Black women need to hear it! This is an IMMEDIATE PROBLEM that needs attention and truth telling before it gets worse. I am seeing a bunch of clueless Black women who are going to do nothing but have the same dysfunctional relationships in the global village that they have been having with Black men b/c Black women can’t seem to get it together.

Black women need to do some serious soul searching. Many are simply not equipped to be in healthy relationships. You would think that Black women would have learned by now after seeing how relationships with Black men have gone. Black women have had enough PROOF of what happens when you make bad choices and do stupid stuff for men - just by seeing how Black on Black relationships have gone for the last 2 decades.

Instead of taking this knowledge and applying better tactics with men of other races, sistas are doing the SAME THINGS that silly Black women who only date Black men have been doing for DECADES!

The problem is many Black owmen didn't think these things coiuld happen with White men and now they are seeing that its not the man its the WOMAN that creates these problems for herself.

Losers are attracted to women who they know they can get over. It’s very clear in this society Black women put up with a lot of men’s mess. DO you think these losers are seeking out Asian women? HECK NO! What Asian woman do you know will ever buy some dude a car and loan him money??

Come on sistas!!! Please stop it!

All the babying of these women that goes on here is the main reason why these women will never learn. I’m telling you right now, no QUALITY MAN of any race is going to be attracted to a group of women known to exhibit lack of critical thinking and self value. WHY? Its bad enough the world sees Black women as the biggest Baby Mommas. Now we are going to take this mess over into the global village? Come on.

First it starts with this kind of stuff. Next we’ll be seeing letters from Black women talking about their White baby daddies playing them.

I am just really disheartened reading this nonsense.

B/C what comes with picking losers and going through relationship drama based on bad choices is a lack of trusting and seeing a good man when he comes along.

If you were a quality person looking for a relationship would you date someone who has been through a lot of relationship drama? NO. They are a risk b/c they have shown lack of common sense and self value.

I’m looking forward to Christelyn’s Vetting series for sure. Many Black women NEED IT!

Guess Who:

While it is true that some BW are stupid enough to get played by loser men (of all races), this happens to WW as well. If you watch Judge Judy long enough, you'll see all races of women coming in with tales of woe.

Propping up bloodsucking men is something that all women do, regardless of race. Christelyn's vetting series would be great though. It appears that some BW need to figure out how to spot DBR men and not get caught up in sad situations.

At least this letter writer didn't get pregnant for the fool.

"All the babying of these women that goes on here is the main reason why these women will never learn. I’m telling you right now, no QUALITY MAN of any race is going to be attracted to a group of women known to exhibit lack of critical thinking and self value. WHY? Its bad enough the world sees Black women as the biggest Baby Mommas. Now we are going to take this mess over into the global village? Come on."

I agree.

I have also been accused of being a BM because I did not pat BW on the head and tell them that nothing is their fault.

Black women have an image problem which other women do not. We enter the IR dating game with strikes against us, no fault of our own. We can't make the same mistakes as other women because everyone will be less forgiving of those mistakes.

Hey, this writing style looks very familiar. Neecy, is this you? If so, de-lurk again :)

You think so? hmm, now we got a mystery.

BM need to teach their little black girls
to value themselves. Be an example by the way BM treat the mothers. Of course mothers have to be the example as well. Btw it is not left up to just the black mothers to riase girls or boys. Even then women of all races make bad decisions not just BW. BM do too. I must say you do, going by your comments and the name GUESS WHO? sound more like a male than a female. And I could very well be wrong you.

You are very sad and mean. If you feel embrassed by these pathetic letters week after week. You sure do not have to tune into this Website. Christelyn is doing a great job and I must say she is a very talented young lady. Have you ever heard of Dear Abby? A writer. A WW. She with her questions and answer letters from troubled women and men of all ethnic backgrounds WW,BW,etc. with concerns were featured in the news papers. This is nothing new some of what our author here is doing. My hats are off to Ms. Karazin, week after week bringing to us such wonderful topics. Some topics are sad, such as this one. My heart goes out to anyone who is or have been caught up in heart break. Even if they should have used better judgement. I will certainly not shake my finger in their faces. I believe we learn to do better and move on and try not to make the same mistake again. This Website is a eye opener for sure as I enjoy waiting to see what Christelyn has in store for us viewers who love beyondblackwhite. God help us all to find peace.

I wonder how many Asian women put up with this mess from men and make such dumb decisions? its mind boggling how grown ass women fall for this stuff. As a Black woman myself, I am utterly irritated with so many Black women acting like this. its really sad and embaressing.

OMG, its clear to me Black women are lost when it comes to the dating/mating arena. Black Women need to stay single b/c too many act like they have no common sense whatsoever. PERIOD. Its clear to me and anyone with half a brain, that Black women simply are lost when it comes to dating the right way. half the stuff these women do and write about is like - pure idiotic IMO. how silly can you be to fall for this stuff from men? buying them cars? Falling for the okie doke?

Personally at this rate, men looking to get over may as well head straight to Black womanville, cause the sistas surely are not together in this dept.

its really sad how Black women have ZERO common sense when it comes to dating and courting. REALLY freakin sad. And frankly, a whole lotta White men (just like Black men are) will be getting over on silly Black women lacking common damn sense as more and more Black women cross the color lines.

Really scarey.

SMH

Are you a black man trying to get over on black women? Because it sure sounds like, why tell us you're a black woman if you actually are. No one ever does that on a blog that's by, for and about bw. Boy talking about somebody falling for the okie doke, dude please. U falling for it if you think that any of us think you're a black woman, wow? Don't they have other blogs that cater to bm who want to bw, you know transgender ones. LOL. Dude find something to do. But thanks for the laugh OMG.

No. I am really and truly a Black woman. And I am just so ashamed at how Black women are acting out there in the dating arena. Its sad as a Black woman to see this. And its embaressing. Sistas really need to get it together b/c I can already see a repeat of the kinds of dysfunctional relationships Black women have with Black men falling right over into the same kinds of dysfunctional relationships with White men.

Black women need to fix themselves first! It makes no sense to go from dysfunctional relations with Black men to the same dysfucntional relations with White men. Reading these QOTW its clear to me Black women are LOST, lacking self value, lacking CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS b/c they are making the same dumb ass choices and decisions with White men that they were making with Black men.

The problem is BLACK WOMEN do not know how to properly date and court! And until Black women learn to do so, they need to remain single and stop embaressing Black women as a whole with their dumb ass decisions.

i swear Black women look like the most idiotic, DESPERATE group of women on earth with the crap they put up with and do in relationshipos with men. WHAT GIVES?? Are Black owmen just so desperate to have a man that they date any ole person, do anything and everything (like buying cars) and all the other crap I read in these letters? Really.

Black women need to do themselves (and the rest of us Black women with half a brain) a favor and STAY SINGLE until they develop some self respect, dignity, CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS and some damn common sense.

These QOTW letters are really making Black women look like a bunch of dysfunctional idiotic women with issues. Not cute at all.

I agree! Dude is a dirtbag!

And the award for the most dangerous advice EVER given to black women goes to..... Deborrah!
Seriously with advisers like you who needs Tyler Perry and Steve Harvey? So black women who are nearing 25 yrs should hurry up and spread those legs already lest they catch a side eye from other people? WOW!
90 days as the maximum delay period?
The purpose of 'saving it till marriage' is to weed out those looking to hit it and quit it and to protect oneself from the baggage that comes with having sex in an uncommitted relationship. I know quite a few who are 'saving it' and No there are not expecting a special award or recognition. They simply value themselves and do not wish to be used by someone who don't value them in the same manner. Oh yeah, they also don't have to worry about OOW pregnancy and STDs.
I shudder to think that you are possibly advising young black girls who don't know any better. May God help them.

"So black women who are nearing 25 yrs should hurry up and spread those legs already lest they catch a side eye from other people? WOW!
90 days as the maximum delay period?"

Oh, cut it out. You are grossly mis- characterizing what she said. Geez.

I think some folks have decided to completely throw out nuance and go for the easy offense and make this a black and white argument. I'm thinking it's easier to do this than actually take time and think critically.

Sanctimonious much?

This is a personal matter for individual bw depending on her beliefs. Being a virgin doesn't make anyone better than a non-virgin. Non-virgin does not = whore of babylon. Seriously. There is a middle ground here, especially with all the wonderful prophylactics and birth control on the market, in addition to vetting and plain old common sense. Stop twisting Deborah's words.

correction...what does this woman do for a living?

Did I miss something? Why are people so mad over a comment? You either agree or disagree. And you move on. Damn, everybody is pressed like flapjacks. Is this even about that one comment or is this the continuation of some other mess, because I am genuinely confused.

Prude. Ho. Inexperienced. Slut. Virgin or whore.

What in the blue hell am I reading? Did I wake up in the 1600s? WTF is with this black and white logic?

It isn't anyone's business who a woman has sex with but her own. It's necessary that you carry yourself with some decorum if you want to be respected, especially as a life partner, but who she sleeps with, how many people she sleeps with, the year, the month, the day, etc. is really no one else's business.

You don't need to justify it to anyone else. There is no gold star for keeping your virginity and no expiration date on your goodies. In the end, you have to do what feels right for you, when you're ready and no one on this Earth gets to tell you when that is.

Do not run out and have sex because you're afraid you'll never be respected as a woman if you dare not spread your legs before a certain date on the calendar. And don't you dare hold your head down because you've been intimate with more men than you can count on one hand. If you're safe and smart about it, whatever. It's your life.

I think people need to take a step back and breath for a minute and remember that your life experiences and how things were when you were a girl and what you were brought up to believe and how you feel about whatever does not, and I repeat, does NOT, extend beyond your bubble. Mean well, but do not forget this: YOUR EXPERIENCES ARE YOUR OWN, AND SO ARE YOUR OPINIONS. Own them, but don't ever think for a moment it's the gospel truth that other people need to abide by.

There is a lot of "doth protest too much" happening on both sides, and I wonder if people are trying to rationalize their own experiences without realizing that this isn't about them...because it isn't. This is about someone else's life choices. This young lady asking for advice about her relationship made a decision; I respect it and so should you. She's waiting for marriage, and if that's what matters to her, fine. If she changes her mind, also fine.

It's her life isn't it? Just like it's your life. You don't need to mock this person (which some of you are doing whether you mean to or not, and you need to stop, because it's getting disgusting) and you don't need to mock each other.

This isn't BET; there are no bitches and hos here. And there are no old maids and spinsters, either. There are beautiful black women with love and wisdom to offer to help women and girls of all ages be empowered and make the best decisions that they can for themselves. Don't forget that.

This is the exact same thing that happened with last week's question of the week, last time it was Brenda55's response, this time it's Deborrah's. We can't always get our feelings hurt b/c sometimes ppl have a way of saying things. Brenda is blunt, Deborrah from what I've seen on her blog and here is extremely blunt. I can't say I agreed with everything that ppl say or even how they say it but there is no room for the virgin/whore thing to go on here. Everybody's made some mistakes in life, no need to explain or justify them. You made them, you forgive yourself, you learn and you go on. You don't have to be a virgin or whore, there is a middle ground. But this letter was about more so much more than that and has been totally sidetracked by ppl trying to defend the choices they made or make those choices seem better than others. The woman in the letter don't care, she's probably going to be celibate/virgin and stay one. Somebody please let's give her and some other bw some lessons on vetting men, she could certainly use that a lot more.

I don't even know what to think at this point. I mean, we can't disagree without all hell breaking loose?! XD

Maybe we all need to go get some quality back rubs.

Yea I could use one, I think I'll ask my hubby when he gets back from his business trip. Thanks for the idea Toni.

And I ABSOLUTELY AGREE with the vetting lessons. And adding in there not going into IRs "color-struck". I feel like BW have blinders on for the wrong reasons and it's just really worrying me.

This seems like a textbook example trying to buy love. Even after the dust has settled and she sees the true character of this person the question is: "What did I do wrong?" Unfreakingbelieveable! Do you think this guy is wasting one blink of his eye worrying about you? yet you are here trying to figure out why he left. He did not leave, he was never there to begin with. I wish you well and hope you have learned whatever valuable lesson you should have from this experience.