That Awkward Privilege: Invisible Irony — The Mixed Power Status of Black Men

That Awkward Privilege: Invisible Irony — The Mixed Power Status of Black Men

Ever wanted to demonstrate the paradox of Black Male [Mixed] Privilege by systematically illustrating how male privilege is fully analogous to White privilege? Perhaps this post will be helpful.

Black men are in the complex position of being quite privileged in one sphere of human activity — romantic relationships — while being quite disempowered in all other spheres of human activity. As ever with any human being, privilege is hardly acknowledged, while disempowerment is appropriately and loudly resented.

Author : Bill Drew ("Aabaakawad")

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Ever wanted to demonstrate the paradox of Black Male [Mixed] Privilege by systematically illustrating how male privilege is fully analogous to White privilege? Perhaps this post will be helpful.

This essay is based on a long comment I wrote almost 2 years ago on a post in “A Belle in Brooklyn” about the sexual politics between Black men & women. I have edited it slightly, but it is essentially the same. Belle’s post and especially the 125 comments by both men & women are quite good. You can see it all here:

From the Comments: He Said/ She Said

Here goes:

Okay, some real talk about relationship markets.

I’m going in. This is going to be an aggressive comment. Most of the men, and some of the women [at Belle's blog] are not going to like it.

 

╟─────┤WHITE PRIVILEGE├─────╢

This part will be easy, obvious, and seemingly pointless, but stay with me.

To avoid unnecessary clutter, I’m going to ignore other races, and just talk about White & Black.

  1. In America, and perhaps all of the world, ALL White individuals are privileged with respect to otherwise similar Black individuals, essentially everywhere and at all times. You can come up with exotic exceptions, but nothing serious to challenge this paradigm. Perhaps some day this will dissolve, as I would wish, but none of us will see that in our lifetimes.
  2. Those with the privilege benefit from it, rarely acknowledge it, never see all of it, usually believe they deserve it, and are not motivated to mitigate it. Endless rationalization is employed (sometimes self-righteously) by most of the privileged to deny or justify this privilege. Even theology is put to this task.
  3. This situation is wholly a product of history, with no basis in essential differences between the two groups. The unequal relationship is maintained by control of the institutions and culture by the dominating group, which feels entitled to its power.
  4. In addition, the dominating group has the natural advantage of numbers. There are MORE of them, enhancing the alliance opportunities of each individual.

 

╟─────┤INTERLUDE├─────╢

Pay attention to the underlined bold words in the WHITE PRIVILEGE section above and the MALE PRIVILEGE section below, they highlight the differences between the two sections. The words that are not underlined and not bold (most words) are the same in both sections. Notice that paragraph #2 is exactly the same in both sections.

 

╟─────┤MALE PRIVILEGE├─────╢

This part will be more uncomfortable and controversial, but still familiar.

To avoid unnecessary clutter, I’m going to ignore other genders, and just talk about Female & Male.

  1. In America, and perhaps all of the world, ALL Male individuals are privileged with respect to otherwise similar Female individuals, essentially everywhere and at all times. You can come up with some exceptions, but for the most part there is not much to challenge this paradigm. I want symmetry to prevail eventually, but I doubt it ever quite will.
  2. Those with the privilege benefit from it, rarely acknowledge it, never see all of it, usually believe they deserve it, and are not motivated to mitigate it. Endless rationalization is employed (sometimes self-righteously) by most of the privileged to deny or justify this privilege. Even theology is put to this task.
  3. This situation is mostly a product of history, with some basis in essential differences between the two groups due to biology and psychobiology. The unequal relationship is maintained by control of the institutions and culture by the dominating group, which feels entitled to its power, aided a little by greater physical strength and less capacity for empathy.
  4. In addition, the dominating group has the natural advantage of numbers. There are FEWER of them, enhancing the market value of each individual. This numerical disparity between the genders is much more enhanced amongst Blacks compared to Whites.

 

╟─────┤SYNTHESIS├─────╢

Now I bring the fire.

Black men are in the complex position of being quite privileged in one sphere of human activity — romantic relationships — while being quite disempowered in all other spheres of human activity. As ever with any human being, privilege is hardly acknowledged, while disempowerment is appropriately and loudly resented. But even if we give fair weights to both conditions, any Black man can honestly point out that that bit of privilege is clearly outweighed by the burden of disempowerment.

True statement … but not a valid excuse.

Because the victims of that privilege are the most disadvantaged, burdened, and unfulfilled sub-group of all — Black women.

So … what’s a girl to do? Well a little of everything, including some of the suggestions upthread [in the comments of Belle's blog]. But one powerful option to obviate the Black man’s romantic market advantage has not been explored [in Belle's blog, obviously you all are aware]. Black women can enhance their value not only by trying to “unionize” (one way of looking at holding out for more reciprocity) or dropping out, but also by partially or mostly breaking out of the closed relationship market.

In other words, open up some consideration of non-Black men alongside the pool of Black men. I make no claim that non-Black men are better than Black men. They aren’t. Neither do I claim they are the same as Black men. Their issues are different. But by being open, even with reservations, to such men, Black women’s oppurtunities definitely increase. And besides, if enough of them do so, their market position relative to the Black men will improve [the same point made by R. R. Banks in his book].

White men have their own good reasons for considering this too. Their market is much more tight as far as available women. Those men that are marriage material and open to crossing over will find more quality available in the cross-market.

And men, don’t be coming at me with “White men taking OUR women!” I’m not having it. You can’t own what you don’t claim. If it’s supposed to be yours, put a ring on it.

 

A couple of other good references on Black Male Privilege:

Yes Virginia, There is Black Male Privilege, by L’Heureux Dumi Lewis

An Answer to Black Male Privilege, by Dr. Lester K. Spence

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R. R. Banks will be coming to this comment thread on Tuesday.

Looking forward to that. I have read his book, enjoyed it and highly recommend it. My husband also read it and it was an eyeopener for him. Re some of the road blocks BWs put up re. dating and marrying out.

If I could ask him a question It would be this.
How is he handling the push back from his book and is he running into "dueling statistics" while out there on his book tour?

I run into the dueling stats bit when I engage people on this topic. They want the numbers to say what they want them too. A lot also believe that marrying down is a viable strategy for BW in the marriage market.

I know from personal observation that it is not. Every one of the marriages like that that I was personally aware of went bust. Every. One. Leaving the woman with children to raise alone with minimal assistance from her ex since she was bringing in most of the money in the first place. This is why I never dated a man who did not have a least the level of education or employment that I did.
I got called picky but I feel I dodged a bullet.

RalphRichardBanks 12 pts

This post raises some important points and is certainly correct in its central assertion: that in the African American relationship market, men have too much power and women have too little. This power imbalance disadvantages women in myriad ways and contributes to a discord that ultimately makes African American relationships more difficult to form and sustain.

In talking to people about my book, Is Marriage for White People? I have been struck by how vehemently some black men oppose black women's efforts to expand their options to include men of other races. Black men marry across racial lines more than twice as frequently as black women, and Asian Americans and Latinos marry outside the group more than three times as frequently as black women. All this while black women confront the smallest pool of viable partners within their group. Yet some suggest that black women should...wait for a black man, put their life on hold, or put up with relationships problems that would never wish for one's own daughter. I try to understand this, but frankly it puzzles me. Women may regard black men as brothers, but those brothers don't love them as sisters.

Black Women With Other Brothers 1656 pts

Whoa! Thank you Dr. Banks, for EVERYTHING!

JesseJohnson 6 pts

The too much and too little power statements are true from an average point of view, but not necessarily true for each and every individual. For instance women who are famous and or extremely beautiful will have much power while they are still young and beautiful.

For any given market subset - where dating and relationships actually take place - there are a few where power is neutral or the woman holds sway. This can only occur where the woman has been able to limit her access or to draw a specific class of man into her dating pool.In simple terms there is a small class of women who are able to be the chased rather than the chaser, because of who they are. Those who are smart only spend relatively little time in the dating pool, before moving into the marriage pool.

and i have got to find my classmates dissertation on "Marriage Markets"

LorMarie 1345 pts

RalphRichardBanks

Thank you Dr. Banks. Your last sentence needs to be ingrained in black women in every state in the union!

Aabaakawad 1187 pts

I am promoting RalphRichardBanks comment to a blog post.http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/ralph-richard-banks-joins-the-commenters-at-beyond-black-white/

Jay from Philly 679 pts

RalphRichardBanks

Welcome Aboard!

NikiMcElroy 24 pts

RalphRichardBanks I agree and we are on the same page! As you can probably imagine I have received, at times, hostile feedback from my "brothers" when talking about my book, "A Black Girls Guide to Dating White Men". I ask them if they would feel the same way if their daughters found a white man that loved and respected them and was an overall good guy. Of course they pause and retract all of the negative things that they say to me.

I still want to team up for a signing, conference or something of the sort. With your hard facts and numbers and my experience and comedic background it'd make for an entertaining yet educational time.

Christelyn 8883 pts moderator

Niki! Email me immediately! I have a clip from a show you did and I'd like to do an audio interview. Send me your digits at info [at] beyondblackwhite [dot] com NikiMcElroy RalphRichardBanks

NikiMcElroy 24 pts

Christelyn RalphRichardBanks Sent!

Aabaakawad 1187 pts

NikiMcElroyRalphRichardBanks is available for friending and messages at http://www.facebook.com/ralphrichardbanks

NikiMcElroy 24 pts

AabaakawadRalphRichardBanks Yes.. we are already FB friends. :-)

I was a victim of black male privilege this morning. I finally had the courage to join an online dating site and I noted in my profile that I'm only interested in dating interracially. A black guy read my profile and sent me an email saying that I've been primed and brainwashed. I sent a reply stating that if I have been brainwashed, it was probably with the black man's help...lol....and I wished him good luck finding his special black woman. Hah!!!...he sent a reply back stating that his special woman could be asian, white, etc....huh?

Ye old double standard. Don't ya just love it.

"it is about power, competition for limited resources, fear and greed. its beyond black and white, and as i like to say its nothing personal." ---LaughingEyes

That right there is spot on!

If you look at it on a larger plane, there are other communities that are chavanistic and often described as treating their women poorly. As I have said, I have heard negative behaviour often ascribed to poorer Albanian and Russian men.

It is almost always about power and privledge.

What those men have in common with BM is economic disenfranchisement and lack of political power, in those cases said to be due to widespread political corruption amongst many others vs. the past racial oppresion which impacts BM.

In any case Russian women outnumber men in life and higher education, they also live much longer. The average Russian man only reaches 59. An unusually large percentage of Russian men die premature deaths due to alcohol related illnesses. I believe that is why all of the recent American news coverage of the ABW plight has been so intensely watched by some younger Russian women, it was also covered by RT.

Some Russian women will tell you many Russian men don't like the newly educated and independent women, but men still hold the position of power because they are fewer in number. So I'm told an eductaed and open minded Russian man is rare as the ruffed ring tailed lemur.

So many Russian women are seeking partners outside Russia. Sound familiar?????

I find it interesting, that just like ABM, media outlets have deemed Russian men an "endangered species"
http://rt.com/news/mutation-men-russia-science-531/
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92621334&sc=emaf

Hi knockoutchick! Thanks for sharing, I was not aware of similar issues between Russian men and women.

Knockoutchick, as a lover of the study of comparative cultures, I really appreciate your post! It is interesting to see the commonalities in behavior in regards to disenfranchised men, and even more interesting for me, as a woman, to see how women of different cultures respond to such circumstances.

I don't know much about the Albanian women's responses, but I know that Russian women certainly NOT trying to stick around and "save" Russian men! They are certainly not shy about their desire to go for a western European or American man, if they have the opportunity!

And I was wondering why Russia Today was interested in the story about single black women. I know a lot of BW complained that it was just another example of media exploiting or making fun of BW, but no one ever considered that perhaps the Russian women were interested in the story because they could relate!

Hey Bunny77!

Hope all is well. :-)

This sh*t is so old, it feels new!

There's nothig really new between men and women...except the recent education and relative independence of many Western women. That has challenged male privledge and no group of men are happy about that.

Saudi women have finally been given the right to vote, though the still can't drive. Yet I am sure once women begin voting in a couple of years there will be a growing vocal group of Saudi men complaining about how these "modern women are getting out of control" :-)

Now you all just knew I'd be all over this post.

Aabaakawad : “Black men are in the complex position of being quite privileged in one sphere of human activity — romantic relationships — while being quite disempowered in all other spheres of human activity. As ever with any human being, privilege is hardly acknowledged, while disempowerment is appropriately and loudly resented. But even if we give fair weights to both conditions, any Black man can honestly point out that that bit of privilege is clearly outweighed by the burden of disempowerment.”

B55: This is about as elegant a paragraph on this issue I have ever seen. BWE bloggers and followers. Want to know why the push back is so virulent? Read the above, the brothers have little else and will fight tooth and nail to defend and maintain their one privileged position.

Aabaakawad : “White men taking OUR women!” I’m not having it. You can’t own what you don’t claim. If it’s supposed to be yours, put a ring on it.”

B55: I would also expand this to include you can't own what you don't preserve, protect and defend. That means your women, children and the communities you and your women and children live in.

Aabaakawad : “White men have their own good reasons for considering this too. Their market is much more tight as far as available women. Those men that are marriage material and open to crossing over will find more quality available in the cross-market. “

B55: Pleases expand on this point. There is a reason why WM date out as much as they do and the reason is, IMO, not only just because they can. Some would argue that this is not the case and thus there are few if any WM interested in BW. As we are seeing more and more this belief is mistaken and the numbers of BWWM marriages are increasing. It would be good if WM would discuss the disparity between marriageable white men and the women available to them and the reasons for this.

European American women, the most protected and pampered women on the planet, have been ingrained with the paradoxical ideology that they are strong and independent and capable while at the same time a victim who doesn't need to measure up. Not all of them, not the majority, but enought to make it worth mentioning. It's the Hillary Clinton ideal, demand to be taken seriously, but when things don't go your way cry "Wah Wah! I'm a girl". It works. White men get trained to hold up and sacrifice for them, like Black women do for Black men. It's why when a white man and Black woman meet they work so well together: We've both put been trained to sacrifice for the other.

Jay, I have heard this sentiment expressed before and quite frankly have witnesses some of this behavior among some acquaintances and some co-workers.

My husband has often pointed out how WM are portrayed in the media particularly in advertisements. He calls them "Daddy is a boob" commercials where the Mom is the all knowing problem solver and Dad is usually clueless and the kids are snarky and disrespectful as is Mom towards him. Or Dad is absent from the scene all together, guess its assumed that he's out at work.

Now I happen to know that this is done because most of the time it's the woman of the house who makes most of the purchasing decisions so advertisements are geared towards her. Ever notice in catalogs that the guy's stuff is in the back?

I do have to say one thing about WM and the culture you come from. Preserving, protecting and defending women and the children you have seems to be a held as a bedrock principal and has motivated a lot of behavior on your part. Quite honestly not all of that behavior is to the advantage or security of non-white groups. I say that as a black woman married happily to a white man. It cracks me up when WM, especially American WM, are portrayed as weak and ineffectual by non-white of non-American men. Nothing could be further from the truth. You gents can be ruthless and relentless when it comes to getting what you want. That is especially true of the alphas among you. Any yeah its a turn on to woman, at least the ones who know not to take that trait for granted.

zipporah 1729 pts

Thats true B55. If you notice, it's only the WM fathers that are portrayed as idiots;------------- just look at the at&t commercial with 'Hayleys' dad asking her for a 'chord for her laptop?' I boycotted them for that reason and i used to work for them 

Well considering the generally awful treament the majority of women around the world experience, I won't describe the treatment of European women as "pampered". The relative comfort many Northern European women have is due in part to the wealth held by those countries allowing for a generous social service systems, but that is changing in part due to an influx of immigrants.

Respecting your wife and taking care of your children should not be defined as "pampering" in my mind.

The above dynamic can describe WM with Asian, Indian, Latin women....and so on.

Excellent post! Well thought-out and thought-provoking. I went through the two referred articles and watched the video. Learned some stuff, too.

Have a good weekend!

Jay...very very valid points! One more. They have the privilege of leaving their families. Not being a man to their wives and father to their children is of little concern to most AA parents that I have known. None of the sisters or mothers will say one word. Their fathers wont because that is exactly how he treated his son's mother. No calls or family intervention when a relationship is on the rocks or severed. No concern about the children of these relationships or marriages beyond how is the girl or boy. I truly believe the low expectations from the mother, aunts, cousins and sisters stems from the jealousy from the experiences of destruction that their mothers or they themselves have endured. Why should she live better than me is their attitude. The men of the community? They are actually schooling their sons, brothers, nephews on the fine art of doing what I did to your mother.

Yeah, Z, you're right about that. We are now at the point of the 3rd or 4th generation without fathers. White feminists rail against the patriarchy and yearn for a society headed by women. Feminists, take a look at the hood! There's your matriarchy. Oh wait. You'd rather whine about male oppression and remain in your gated community that you have so much men to protect you in. Well I thought so.

zipporah 1729 pts

The radical 'i am woman' feminism is what may have put us in the mess in the first place

Seriously, the burger king crown with the warrior looking "king" is too much!

Christelyn found that picture. She has vast resources.

I'm going to have to add that Black men also have the privilege of low expectations. Perhaps not in American society at large, but certainly in the confines of the ghetto. Yes, there are good Black men who step up, take care of their families, and live exemplary lives. But they don't have to if they don't feel like it.

From the time they are born, they are socially promoted through school. They are not disciplined for disruptive behavior. They are allowed to roam where they want, when they want. Nothing is expected of them. When they have children they aren't expected to raise them or pay for them. They can't pass a drug test if they could fill out a job application, which they can't and won't. They can live with Mom indefinitely, or crash at the homes of their harem of women. They will get away with petty crimes several times before they are caught. When they do go to jail they will be given a hero's welcome when they return like they were graduating from college or returning from a tour of duty. If they commit a major crime a female relative will be crying to the news "He was a good buoy! He was gettin' his lahf togevah!" When he finally does get his life together at the age of 45 or later he will be held up as a prime catch to professional educated Black women--"Give a Brothah a chance! You know you love your Black King!". Don't take my word for it. See what these ladies who post on BB&W say.

Before I catch the heat I know I'm going to get on this, I'll preemptively respond 1) Yes, there are white men who are bums. But they are viewed as the bums they are, not as the White King you know you love. 2) Yes, there was slavery in this country as recently as 1865. 3) Yes, there were Jim Crow laws as recently as 1964. Generations of Black men who lived through both periods were stand-up guys who took care of their families. 4) Yes there is racism still present today. No, Tea Partiers mouthing off of about President Obama doesn't make it wrong for a Black woman to date a white man if he likes her and she likes him. 5) To guilt-ridden liberals in your suburban enclaves, don't try to shut me up when you don't have the guts to go anywhere near the ghetto while I've walked onto a block of 500 murderers and rapists with nothing but my fists and pepper spray to protect me. And finally 6) Even if none of what I said was true if a Black woman wants to date out outside of her ethnic group it's nobody's business but hers.

7) And there is nothing stopping her when she does.

Spoken with true Philly candor. Good post.

Brenda,

You have to have noticed that you see more Black Women with White Men in Philly more often than you did ten years, even more often than five years. Maybe in ten years it'll be like White Men and Asian Women, where it happens so often people will hardly even notice it anymore.

Yes. I have posted this before. There are three BWWM couples living on my block alone and several others in the neighborhood.

There tends to be a lot of these couples in the Northwestern part of the city and of course you see them in Center City and the neighborhoods immediately surrounding CC. Further Montco has a lot. Of course since there are so many colleges in the area you see them there also.

I remember coming out of the Fresh Grocer,the one on Temple campus, and there this BWWM standing in the vestibule of the store looking at one of the vending machines trying to make a selection....at least the girl was. The guy had his mind on other things since the gal was "wearing him like a jacket" I mean he was all over her. (Ah, young love.

I had to laugh thinking what if his parents walked into the store and saw their son actively feeling up some Black Chick....in public or her parents seeing her enjoying it.

I'd hate to see what would happen if the Councilman for that area (Darryl Clarke, the king of the poverty pimps) heard that a white guy was manhandling one of "his" women on the Temple campus! He's already trying to ban students from living in the immediate vicinity of Temple.

Darryl Clarke is a dick. Nuff said.

You're from Philly? I'm from Philly too! And this is real talk.

ann4950 732 pts

jay from Philly

"To guilt-ridden liberals in your suburban enclaves, don't try to shut me up when you don't have the guts to go anywhere near the ghetto while I've walked onto a block of 500 murderers and rapists with nothing but my fists and pepper spray to protect me."

LOL..are you a cop? Even a cop would have his gun.

Laughing eyes beat me to the question. Your reply is why I always say any "problem" one person seems to have can be a solution for others. Is it really a problem then? I wondered how you could be so directly spot on with no personal assumptions. You state the obvious that many of us victims of the cycle know innately is wrong but have been programmed to believe is our plight. I think bm and bw are exhausted by the experience. Some Bm have chosen an easier path. The majority of Bw are holding down a "fort" that has "visits" from inmates, con artists, ornery executives etc. Abandoned children, uncreated or broken families and many other forces that weaken and destroy the fort host's resolve creates a war zone within the Black American culture. Bw need homesteads, not forts! There are no wars or battles that should be fought for peace,joy and respect with a partner of any skin color or cultural group. I agree Aabaakawad, options always is a leveler with an imbalance of privilege. Thanks for being you. Don't recover too much because honest and concise assessments like this just don't happen with us oddballs who are supposed to be socially "normal".

Gee, you pretty much said what I did in my own post. Beat me to it, I guess.

im from one of the dominant tribes in my (african) country. so much so that our tribal language, alongside english, is also an official language. as if that is not enough, add the light skin and big butt for good (or bad) measure. it ddnt hurt that my family name had social power and a little economic power. even with all that, i was not the poster child for privilege. far from it. some of it was my own making: i refused the roles and some of it was external- i ddnt qualify.

and yes, ive always suspected it and i think there might be some truth to it- beautiful people dont just happen.* i say that with a hint of hesitation because people just as easily forget. why some others use that sensitivity, and still others go on to inflict the SAME pain that had threatened to steal their humanity away is one of the life's mysteries.

* elizabeth kubler ross

i can tell you right now that i have learnt more outside the classroom than inside. that is to say i put more value to what i learnt (and continue to learn and relearn) in everyday life. as far as the US goes, i only know what i read and see through the idiot box!!!. i have a general distrust as far as the media is concerned so im careful to believe most of the stuff that makes news. you are especially right, its almost as if the discussions have been rehearsed and the self appointed gatekeepers are doing an excellent job of it even though IMHO it leaves everyone poorer for it.

the cynic and the idealist in me are at loggerheads more often than i care to admit. and im very suspicious that it does not get easier so i have to figure this out now.

if you ask me, these are the more important questions, the pressing and urgent questions, and guess what, we have to figure them out by ourselves. so much for human advancement!!! but then again, what do i know.

thanks for the candid reply.

that was meant as a reply to Aabaakawad!!!

Welcome, and I hope you stay with us. :)

Aabaakawad, if i may, how did you arrive at this thinking? for you to have an active interest in such issues makes you an anomaly. what was the catalyst? it would be ideal to have friends and a partner who through independent analysis would form conclusions such as these. i love my friends but...none of them couldn't be bothered to do this type of heavy lifting. in their defence, they may lack the tools or the time. but then again why should they? why did you?

im from a different culture and let me tell you, you are spot on. it is about power, competition for limited resources, fear and greed. its beyond black and white, and as i like to say its nothing personal.

i grew up privileged. not so much that i was born with a silver spoon, but that institutional power lay in the hands of people that look like me. i did not concern myself with any of the issues that concerned the minorities. and believe me when i saw that i, like a lot of the others in my privileged group-old and young alike, were not looking to change the inequality any time soon. of course, there would be the occasional times when i would massage my fleeting guilt by extending charity to them. but that was for me, they just benefitted from it nonetheless. for all we cared, we had ourselves to secure and dare i say it we had already "given" them more than their fair share. im sure its still going on and thus the present tense would be more fitting!!! BTW, we are decent folks: we go to church, are raising disobedient children, wish our boss or that co-worker would get off our case, worry that the salary will not be enough to cover the bills, etc. with all that, it was no wonder that, like a lot of others like me, it was not something we wanted to devote our energies to. sure enough, there were those who seemed like they cared (and im sure some of them really did) to bring widespread improvements but if you ask me, it was just lip-service. unless its out of ignorance or stupidity,it cant be done at such a scale. how would that change be effected? history tells us that those with power (and privilege) will not give it up willingly-our own personal experience should inform us of the the truth therein.

i say all of that to say this, it wasn't until i came to the Canada and i was at the bottom of the totem pole that mine eyes were opened. why? because i was no longer a member of the privileged group and no longer enjoyed its membership. what still stings me is how the things that make me feel powerless and marginalized are the same things that we used to disempower and marginalized those outside of our group. from what i can remember, we really ddnt feel that bad about it. it wasnt that serious, those people just like complaining, they should be glad that they even got something, we are all hurting from the poor economy, who said life was fair...*insert favourite excuse here*

i could be wrong because when i left home for uni, i was a teenager and im still young so there might be things that time will reveal. but im really interested to know what your answer is. i dont know how i will use it but it will be invaluable nonetheless.

@LaughingEyes,

Are you possibly from upper caste in India? Or from an ascendent tribe in Africa? Or from a light-skinned ruling class in a Caribbean county? Just guesses.

It's almost axiomatic that people with insight can only be outliers in some way, by way of personality if nothing else. I land on the privileged side of almost every dichotomy except religion; I am an atheist. But I am also a recovering Asperger's personality, so I have had to use rational analysis where other people use intuition or instinct to comprehend social relationships. Comfort is definitely the enemy of social consciousness.

@LE, you have been given the gift of displacement, a new social location. If you ever go back to live in the old country, you will not be able to return to your old way of thinking. I hope you use this gift to teach insight.

Are you familiar w/ the appellation "nation of racial cowards"? Racial progress in my country, the US, is typically strangled at each attempt to crawl forward because of vested interests among the leadership of each identity for the status quo. Discussion typically proceeds along very narrow corridors policed by shame-mongers and gotcha-artists. In this environment, most people don't dare make a "mistake" or an offense, so nothing really new is ever said.

I hope you feel positive enough about your insight to forbear the resistance of your peers back home as you tell truth to their privilege.

When I wrote this in January of 2010, Belle had done a series on the points of view of each gender on Black relationships. Comments from men and women were long, numerous and thoughtful, but there was a lot of talking past each other and little comprehension of the other gender's circumstances. Everybody lined up with their gender, and it was crystallizing into an almost symmetrical model of equally valid he-said/she-said narratives. I wrote the comment to try to break the assumption of parity, and assert that one gender was operating in a culture that gave them great privilege, even though they had a self-image as victims. A lot of women agreed with me, and even a few men found it illuminating.

Um ... and I did it to plug the idea of BW considering non-BM too. ;)

Yes, I've explored this notion many times so this article isn't saying anything new. But I do like the light shown on the white males psyche' from the first paragraph. Saying that although whites know it's an unfair advantage that it will not be acknowledged and even encouraged to over look it. But how come I knew where this was going? So you want us to open up our options. Yeah, okay but I'm picking YOU and not the otherway around.

"Yeah, okay but I’m picking YOU and not the other way around."

Fine with me, but a lot of the women here have shared that it works better if women attract and men pursue. Seems men need challenges to keep motivated. Might be true, but I'm not so stuck on classic gender roles.

Can you expand on the "women attract" "men pursue" concept?