Question of the Week: “I’m Totally Demoralized with Dating…”

Question of the Week: “I’m Totally Demoralized with Dating…”

I’m thoroughly demoralized with dating both (IR and otherwise). I have never meet a normal, quality person online. I think you’re better off meeting someone on the train, bus, or supermarket.

Find out what Mama Chris prescribes…

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Two weeks ago I did an open thread for burning questions readers had about dating, mating and relating for a sort of sneaky reason–weeks and weeks and WEEKS of questions I had time to pick and choose, research for the best answers, and ponder upon as like the lint in my belly button. Not so surprisingly, the ones that stuck out happen also to be the same I get asked over and over in a different way, so I’m thinking it’s time to really delve deeper and give you the best, most comprehensive kick-arse answer I can muster.

So here’s the first one:

I’m thoroughly demoralized with dating both (IR and otherwise). I have never meet a normal, quality person online. I think you’re better off meeting someone on the train, bus, or supermarket.

First, let’s look at that word, “demoralized.”

demoralize |diˈmôrəˌlīz|
verb [ trans. ]
1 [usu. as adj. ] ( demoralized) cause (someone) to lose confidence or hope; dispirit : the army was demoralized and scattered.

Time out, chica. You need to take a break from dating altogether for like, a while. Hopelessness shows all over your face, and even what you write. Nobody wants a downer, so it might be time to take a dating vacation, because if you’re working it like a job, what else would you do when you’re burnt out? Mind you, a dating vacation does not look like you sitting on the couch in dirty pajamas and watching the entire season of Dexter for the next eight weekends. You got out, mon ami, and act as if you’ve got a man already. You know how when you’re attached all of a sudden everybody and their uncle Larry wants to get with you? That’s your “boyfriend vibe,” or BV for short. And while you’re on your vacation, give yourself an overhaul: get a facial, new hairstyle, some cute clothes and, don’t miss this because it’s important, START SOMETHING NEW. Take a cooking class. Buy Rosetta Stone and learn a new language–one of those hard ones like the African one with all the clicks in it.

Now for online dating–I feel your pain about it’s growing rep or ratchetness. Finding someone special isn’t like it was in the old days before the dating sites actually made meeting people MORE difficult. Now it’s all just some nebulous blob or screen names to trudge through. But while they go BIG, you should go small. That is, specialize your online dating search to Facebook, Twitter and Linked In. I’ve seen for myself relationships bloom in specialized groups on Facebook, and not just the ones dedicated to interracial relationships. Have an interest? Bet there’s a Facebook fan page on it. Join them and explore the possibilities. From Facebook, move to Twitter using the same theme–follow people, organizations, interests, trending topics, products and/or services that you like and start having conversations with the like-minded people who share the same interest. I know a professor who met her husband on Twitter and Facebook. Read about Kyra and Jim here. Same deal with Linked In, just be more stuffy and professional and stuff.

But if all else fails and you fall back on the whole “supermarket macking” thing, I hear Whole Foods is THE SPOT!

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EdEllington 48 pts

I heard a preacher talking about this subject. He said that a lot of folks are looking in the wrong places. If you go to the club to find a mate, you may get something close but not the real thing. The way a relationship starts has a lot of influence on how it plays out. He suggested that people just live their lives passionately. If your daily routine does not have you out among the people, then you may need to make some changes. A person becomes more attractive when they are happy and enjoying themselves. It produces a natural glow that draws the opposite sex to them. Take up a hobby, roller skate with adults, join a social group, or do anything that brings you enjoyment in mixed company without looking desperate. What this will do is pair you up with like minded potential dates. You will look to your left or to your right and see someone going in the same direction...and gait together to see where the path leads...

SirLoinDeBeef 553 pts

Keeping in mind that I'm 10 years married + 2-3 years 'unofficial':

Also keep in mind that online dating didn't exist for most of my life:

Every one of my female-companion meetings wasn't by 'dating' - all those girls just fell into my lap - previous wives, too.

I never picked up a woman in a bar, nor handed anyone a 'line' ("if I said you have a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?"

Where? - at the public library - walking across campus - going to a 'tall club' event - painting a boat - accepting a glass of lemonade from the lady upstairs - sitting next to a girl on the grass in Balboa Park, San Diego, CA - meeting on the beach at Catalina Island - commenting that a woman's cat was in the window (she had 7) - on the train from Trenton to Newark, NJ - arguing about vegetarian foods - having a spare $20 for a 'loan' - giving a girl a ride in the rain ...

Finally seeing a lovely BW at work, then coming back to the office for a 2nd look, and then a 3rd ... hooked!!!

VintageNarcissa 923 pts

Taking a break from dating is good every so often, but definitely don't close your heart to love if that it ultimately what you want. I feel a lot of women do that and when opportunity for the type of relationship and the type of love they want come along they don't know how to recognize it. A similar thing happened that led me into my current relationship, and long story short, another woman's loss ended up being my gain. At the time I met my boyfriend I was ready to give up on love all together, not just take a "man-cation." But when he came along I saw an amazing opportunity and I took it. I'm sure people can find love when they are actively looking for it, but I do very much believe that it is so much better when you're not looking for it and it smacks you upside the head, blindsides you. I was not expecting it at all. I'm no man stealer, but originally, my boyfriend wasn't even meant for me. Someone else met him first and I was trying to help him get with her. But she ultimately was not interested in a relationship with him and after realizing our connection, he began to pursue me. And the rest is history. I remember the day I met him I told myself that I wasn't going to meet anyone. Even the good parts of my life seem like some kind of cosmic joke. lol.

Karla 2799 pts

VintageNarcissa LOL! "Man-cation"? I'm so going to have to use that in a sentence this week.

VintageNarcissa 923 pts

Karla Hehe, I've heard that term in a few places. I thought it was a common one now.

R. Kamaria 286 pts

As your friend in demoralized dating, I agree with the advice. I'm taking a break. I eliminated my dating profiles from online sites and am not actively trying to date anyone. I can't however tell you to give up. You don't sound like you want to be alone. You are just exhausted. Just like with our careers, when they aren't working out, we have to take a moment, refocus and gain a better attitude. Easier said than done but WE CAN DO IT. I'm in this with you sister.

Monique8 412 pts

Very good advice Chris. dating can be a real pain in the ass. So when you feel depressed and a bit bitter it's best to take a break, regroup and refocus preferably on you and your needs. Otherwise, your aura, vibe, energy or whatever you'd want to call it will be a bit "funky" and you'll meet funky people that unfortuntely will reflect that back to you. I recently broke up with a guy in Decemebr whom I had been dating for a few months... so I decided to not date until the spring. That way I won't go back into the dating scene without first having dealt with the lessons of that past relationship. Now I can focus on those pesky pounds I want to loose and better prepare myself for the next big thing. I always tell myself that "I am enough, I am a damn good catch, and I am worthy of love and commitment. I refuse to settle for less." Remaning hopeful is hard, but having the love YOU want is worth it becuase you are worth it. And if all you learn during this time is to truly deeply love yourself that is a gift millions never have...and if you are madly deeply in love with you you radiate happiness and confidence and some lucky man will be mesmerized. Easier said than done, I know, believe me. But the alternative is just not accpetable.

LovingMyself 193 pts

Monique8 "Remaning hopeful is hard, but having the love YOU want is worth it becuase you are worth it. And if all you learn during this time is to truly deeply love yourself that is a gift millions never have...and if you are madly deeply in love with you you radiate happiness and confidence and some lucky man will be mesmerized. Easier said than done, I know, believe me. But the alternative is just not accpetable."

EXACTAMUNDO!! I mean what else is there to say? I can't think of anything. I am worth it.

VintageNarcissa 923 pts

Monique8 Positive reinforcement is always the way to go. I remember when I was in college, I always used to tell myself at that point that I didn't want a real relationship, but probably something like a friend I could kiss. And eventually that's exactly what I got, though he wanted to do a lot more than kiss and I wasn't with that so it didn't work. The next time around, I kept telling myself, okay God, fate, karma, whatever is out there, the joke was on me last time, but this time I want a serious, monogamous, healthy relationship. And that is exactly what I got. It is to hard to keep the hope up but even when I had my most negative thoughts, I tried to end with a positive. I'm good enough, there is no reason why I should not be able to have the relationship I want.

NYCLisa 76 pts

Monique8 Agreed, Monique8 and the others expressing similar sentiments; sometimes it's best to just stop, and regroup. No one wants to be lonely, but settling for a man you don't really love or don't really desire is simply trading one minor Hell for another.

Marcie 256 pts

Yeah, online dating is a bit wretched and you didnt have good experiences.....but then as an adult what do you want to do to meet a rainbeau?

The Working Home Keeper 1484 pts

Whole Foods is the spot! And Trader Joe's (I have a bit of a following at our TJ), The Fresh Market, the farmer's market...I meet so many nice WM at those places when I'm out doing my weekly shopping. The "boyfriend vibe" thing is completely spot on. When you're attached, you're more comfortable and confident. And others pick up on that.

Karla 2799 pts

The Working Home Keeper WF and TJ; the grocers of champions!

Mocha Z 1787 pts

@The Working Home Keeper TJ & Farmers markets are great here for that. I should have no problemo. I go to TJ's like its my dealer....oh wait...it is, lol.

WF seem.to have more gay men out this way.

R. Kamaria 286 pts

Same here in Michigan. Great place to meet gay men for sure. If I was a gay man, I'd totally pick up dates. I seem to only get approached by older black men that look like they wear purple and orange suits with rhinestones to church. lol. Or the guys who work at the grocery store (unfortunately, not the managers).

sparel 821 pts

R. Kamaria lol I feel your pain...i'm also from Michigan and I seem to attract the same guys

EarthJeff 754 pts

R. Kamaria Purple and orange suits with rhinestones? here in Michigan? Maybe it is a good thing I dont get out more. While I am not an older black man, wow, I guess my fashion sense is lacking.

Karla 2799 pts

I was single back in the day when there was no internet, only one hundred channels on cable and the only ways to meet a man or woman were blind dates, a dating company (with videotapes) or chance. I was single 'til I was 35 and, yes, there were times I thought the love of my life was living in Siberia and we would never meet. I realized my choosing skills for dating were less than stellar to say the least so I placed a moratorium on dating and took an unprecedented three years off. I didn't mean to make it so long but I found out that I loved living with myself, without any pressure to find "Mr. Right". It was like an oppressive weight dropping off me. i started taking classes at night for just about any hobby you can imagine. My cooking skills are amazing because I took classes at a culinary school. I traveled everywhere, visiting friends (being military, I had friends all over the world). I took ceramics classes, I sewed a complete wardrobe, improved my French through language classes, went out with my single friends to expensive restaurants, improved my swimming skills, worked out so much the trainers thought I was going out for Ms. Olympia, I did volunteer work... I kept myself so busy, I was never lonely. Also, during that time, I concentrated on pampering myself, taking care of physical things. My workouts gave me the body of justice so I started experimenting with make-up (they were finally making cosmetics for BW by then), gave myself at-home spa treatments, became a scent connoisseur, got a new hairstyle and the big one... had braces put on my teeth. From age 30 to 33, I wore the whole get-up: bands, head gear. The before and after were quite startling (in a good way) and so very worth it. Before I knew it, three years had passed and I had completely re-invented myself both inside and out. On that journey, I found that I loved myself more than anything and I was happy with myself. Notice, I didn't say I was fine being single because that's not the way I saw it. There was no resignation to the single life, just happiness with myself. Apparently, that showed because when I moved on to my next job, within two weeks of arriving, I met my husband.

LovingMyself 193 pts

Karla "and the big one... had braces put on my teeth."

I'm finally, finally, FINALLY, getting braces! Can you tell my excitement? I've been waiting since I was 9 years old. I feel it in my bones that I'm going to have a different, newer outlook on life and how I view myself (which is most important to me above everything else). Now I have the power to change it, and it feels fantasic. Gosh, I can't wait! 2 weeks from tomorrow.

Karla 2799 pts

LovingMyself I don't know why I waited. My parents took me to orthodontists, who said as long as my back teeth were fine, braces would only be for my vanity. After college and I was out on my own, I started researching it and then decided, on my 30th birthday to get an evaluation. It was expensive but three years later, when he took them off, polished my teeth and then held up the mirror, I just couldn't stop smiling. It was worth the pain (very bearable), the money and the inconvenience (no popcorn, sticky candy, corn; had to cut somethings up into very small pieces). I also learned how to scrupulously care for my teeth and that has stuck with me. After the money I invested, I will die with my original teeth in my head. You will be so happy you took this step.

LovingMyself 193 pts

Karla My parent's never saw anything wrong with my teeth. They didn't understand why I wanted braces to close all the spaces, gaps, that I have. Granted I have a healthy set of teeth and a healthy mouth which is great. Recently discovered I'm a tongue thruster so I was told. It IS an investment, and a worthwhile one I might add. I remember trying to convince my parents by saying, "how am I going to get/find a husband," lol. Didn't work. I'm doing it for me and no one but me. I think that's why I feel SO incredibly elated about spending the moolah for it as a student. And it is actually cheaper for me here than in the US. And I've got 18-19 months in them -- not long at all :D I know it's all worth it! It feels so damn good!!!!

LovingMyself 193 pts

Karla Correction:

I feel so damn good!!!!

Karla 2799 pts

LovingMyself Yep, I'm a tongue-thruster too! One thing I will suggest: when you get your braces off, you may want to opt for permanent retainers. I had the pop in ones and lost them, twice. Those babies were not cheap and I just got tired of replacing them. My orthodontist suggested permanent retainers and I jumped.

LovingMyself 193 pts

Karla Are permanent retainers noticeable (or are they more like lingual braces?) and do they affect your eating habits? I'm really gonna miss my maïs soufflé.

Karla 2799 pts

LovingMyself They're like lingual braces and no, they don't affect your eating habits. I don't even notice them, frankly. You'll have to flosss like you will with braces but since you'll be used to that, it shouldn't matter. Actually, it will depend on what your orthodontist thinks after the braces come off but if he offers permanent retainers, that's the way to go.

ForestElfQueen 2112 pts

KarlaLovingMyself now that's what i needed(perm. ret.) my push in retainers were like partial dentures or something and I sounded like a cartoon character. ...I kept skipping days, then weeks and my first set no longer fit. I went back and he made a second set, issued a stern warning but I goofed again and kinda said 'screw it.'

I'm guessing that I'm in for another full set of railroad tracks at this point.

sparel 821 pts

LovingMyselfKarla I actually just got my braces in too lol I had them put in because I myself always wanted braces to close my caps in my teeth...My parents couldn't afford braces so I didn't hassle them about it I just waited until I could afford them on my own...great thing because I also have only 18 months! yay!

Karla 2799 pts

sparel I made having braces fun because when they're in your mouth for three years, you have to do something. I had to wear bands so I wore different colored ones for different events (red and green for Christmas, black and orange for Halloween); my orthodontist thought it was funny. I'm just glad I was able to afford them and finally took the plunge. It's been worth it.

Bunny77 1019 pts

Braces are a wonderful idea! I got mine in my first two years of college... so while I was still young, I was older than the usual adolescent clients an orthodontist will have. The braces might have killed my love life those years in college (or maybe they didn't... I'll never know), but they made such a difference in my overall look that it made me more confident! I never had jacked-up teeth, just some gaps... so everyone said I had a nice smile anyway, but they were surprised how the braces took a nice smile and made it a knockout smile! Oh, the other little minor thing I did was a slight gum contouring. On one of my two front teeth, a piece of gum tissue hung lower than the other. No big deal, but it did throw off my smile a little bit. I found a cosmetic dentist who removed that piece and made the two gumlines more even. WOW! Just that one little 30-minute laser thingy made a world of difference, and it was the finishing touch to my smile... that and some teeth whitening. :) Enjoy your new smile! LovingMyself Karla

R. Kamaria 286 pts

I have 6-month smiles braces on now. I hate them to the core but my teeth are looking great. I'm definitely getting the laser whitening after they are off. I have about 2.5 more months. I got them in September 2011. No one really notices them. I feel self conscious a little. May be contributing to my confidence level when dating. But in a couple months, I'll be a hottie again. lol.

Karla 2799 pts

R. Kamaria You sure will! People will be begging you to smile.

Karla 2799 pts

Bunny77 I love going to the dentist, unlike most people. There's something about great teeth that I just love which means I must have them too. I've had my teeth bonded, whitened, my amalgam fillings replaced with composites that matched my teeth. As my mom says, I have the movie star mouth.

tlynn 45 pts

Karla BRAVO KARLA!!!! BRAVO!!!!

Mocha Z 1787 pts

Karla Wow! You did it up! Thank you for sharing your story. I think loving yourself through self improvement is a journey I am on. I am going to be dreaming of the Ocean Le Creuset until I get it, lol. Q...does it look like a french blue with a rustic look in person. I havent seen it in store. I would lurv to see your kitchen with those colors and your supplies. Kind of like a mans worksop..lol.BTW, the first thing I noticed on your profile pic was your beautiful smile. .;-D

Karla 2799 pts

Mocha Z Yes, indeed, I smile every chance I get. Gotta show off the money.

ForestElfQueen 2112 pts

KarlaMocha Z I had braces in my early 20s but was bad about wearing my retainer later. My bottom fronts have kinda drifted. Some days it bothers me but so far not quite enough to have them lined up again?I might still, I dunno. It's funny, it bothers me more here but when I was in France less, i rarely thought about it.

Karla 2799 pts

ForestElfQueen While I had braces on, my sister married her first husband, a German man. The wedding was in Germany and since I was her maid of honor, I flew there to participate. Germans kept asking me what I had on my teeth and why. A Dutch man asked me if it was "mouth jewelry". Now they have braces in those countries (my niece wore them) but back then, it was a novelty not often seen. When I explained why I had them, I got strange looks as if to say "Vain American!"

LovingMyself 193 pts

KarlaMocha Z "Yes, indeed, I smile every chance I get. Gotta show off the money."

This is SO gonna be me. I'm gonna have a semi-permanent smile on my face. Can't NOBODY tell me nothin', lol.

Mocha Z 1787 pts

KarlaForestElfQueen Yes...the whole orthodontist thing is very recent over there. I remember some pretty crooked teeth over there. The cost is another issue.

ForestElfQueen 2112 pts

Karla awesome, inspiring story my perfumista pal! :D lolz. i do remember those "If you like Pina Coladas..." personal ad pre innernetz days. LOL...but yes, that's an excellent example of using the time for exploration & improvement instead of sinking into Schleprockian(Pebbles and Bamm-Bamm Show) despair.

DidiO 294 pts

Karla

Karla I love your story!

I used to think about braces too- my teeth are a tad gappy and I have a centre gap (a la Madonna) but they sound so uncomfortable..Now I am reconsidering.

I do have a question for you though- you were single for 3 whole years? How did you fare without male company; by this I mean physical contact one gets from a significant other. I know you spent time with friends - male and female but they would not have been able to provide nuch by way of kisses, cuddles and more..

So how did you deal with that?

Karla 2799 pts

DidiO Well, let's just say I had ways of taking care of things but yes, I did miss the intimacy of human contact from time to time. The thing is, I was so busy working and doing things, I was too tired to think about it most of the time. Even though I thought about it, I just couldn't bring myself to do the "Wham Bam Thank You Ma'am", the sort of drive-by sex. It would have defeated the purpose of getting myself together. And, I know this sounds strange but it was quite liberating not to have to think about it. As I said, I had made some less than stellar choices so I needed a break. The need to get myself in a good place overrode that basic need.

DidiO 294 pts

Karla

Thanks for being honest Karla. Yes one can find 'ways' to deal with needs without getting involved in meaningless stuff. I know casual relationships, one night stands et al are not for me. I'd rather be single than to be in anything less than a loving, committed relationship. I see you also felt this way. I am coming to the end of a long, pretty bad relationship I went into when I was young and naive and we have not been intimate for many, many months. Kids are involved so it's not so simple to walk away.

I do miss that contact from time to time which was why I asked how how you coped. I certainly need plenty of healing time after this so will not be rushing into anything.

Good to know other women have thrived during 'quiet' spells.

Mocha Z 1787 pts

DidiOKarla

"I am coming to the end of a long, pretty bad relationship I went into when I was young and naive and we have not been intimate for many, many months. Kids are involved so it's not so simple to walk away."

I have the same issue. The kids being involved is exactly why it was simple to walk away. My "bad" part was hidden from me so once it was in the open, I packed and walked. My children need to see a mother who values her self enough to be loved by someone who loves and respects their mother. I don't miss dysfunction but I do crave someone that actually appreciates my value since that was never there for me. I have myself in a self induced purgatory that is lasing longer than mourning but there is a lot of clean up with the dysfunctional relationships. Once that is cleared up and I feel completely free, I will make more of an effort.

Focus on doing things that enhance you like Karla mentioned. I know finances can be challenging but there are still affordable luxuries. I do online photography seminars, I am building my wardrobe on the cheap and not so cheap. I want to take some cooking and more photography classes. I plan on being a part of a few of the meetup hobby and girls night out days when the kids are away. I have used our Disney passes to go to Disneyland with my friend, husband and adult son, lol! I just go and read the finance and money magazines at the book store or just a scrapbooking, knitting or fashion mag. I came up with a few small business ideas I have during one of my Barnes and Noble nights. The kids like being there so you can also take them to their section and take the mags/books in that area. Hang in there!

Mocha Z 1787 pts

DidiOKarla The photog seminars online are actually free and by some cutting edge photographers.

Karla 2799 pts

DidiO You do have to think about your kids as well as yourself. I'm not sure what kinds of activities they offer where you live (does the London Times have a "Weekend" section?) but I was living in New Haven, CT at the time of my "man-cation" (I knew I could use that in a sentence today!) and the weekend section of the paper always had activities to do that were little to no cost. I was also a train ride away from NYC, which was nice because it only cost me $5 for a round trip train ticket. I could window shop, go to the museums, go down to Chinatown and eat. Yale was located right down the street from where I worked so I would audit a class or two. I was a Navy lieutenant living in one of the most expensive communities so I had to budget but I was able to find quite a few things to keep me busy at very little cost.

Bunny77 1019 pts

I'm not Karla, but I chuckled a bit at your question... I was single for waaaay longer than three years, but I I never considered it a big deal to NOT be in a relationship for a few years. That was the story of most of my adult life really.

Yeah, I wanted physical contact at times, but if it wasn't with the right guy, it was meaningless... so I took a time out and really didn't find it to be all that bad. It was actually rather enjoyable. DidiO Karla

VintageNarcissa 923 pts

Karla "Notice, I didn't say I was fine being single because that's not the way I saw it. There was no resignation to the single life, just happiness with myself."

I absolutely agree with this. I absolutely despise when people say they're happy being single because then then turn around the next minute crying about how they cannot find a relationship. If they were fine with being single you wouldn't wonder why you can't find a boyfriend!

I always told myself that I wanted a relationship, but I'd rather be single than be in a bad one - because I think that's what people mean to say but it gets lost in translation. No *wants* a bad relationship, but if you're going to say you don't want a relationship, 9 out of 10, you're lying!