Question of the Week: How come I can attract all these non white men, but white men show no interest at all?

Question of the Week: How come I can attract all these non white men, but white men show no interest at all?

In a town where no white people exist, one woman seeks…

Author : Christelyn Karazin

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Hello Christelyn! I really love your site and I have been a lurker for a while now. I really appreciate what you are doing for all black women out there who are interested in interracial dating. I have a question to ask, since I have seen that you have helped out a lot of ladies with their questions and I’m not sure who else to ask.

I am a young woman (23 years old) who is very much interested in interracial dating specifically with white men. I’m well educated (just finished my degree), unfortunately it seems when I go out the only attention I get is from Black, Asian or even Middle Eastern men but I hardly ever attract white men. In fact I don’t think I have ever been approached by a white man in my entire life. I used to suffer from very low esteem and I was painfully shy so I have only had one boyfriend in my entire life and recently I started working on myself esteem and my appearance and now I feel great and I have been getting a lot of compliments from non white men who seem interested in dating me. I’m not saying I’m the most confident person in the world, but I feel like I’m in an amazing place in my life and I am ready to be in a relationship. I’m fit and healthy and I look after myself very well, since I work as a professional model, it is part of my job, so I don’t think it is my appearance. I try to dress feminine in mostly dresses in light colors that compliment my dark skin and I try my best to look good when I go out with my makeup and grooming.

I live in a small town with very few white people, so I have to even go out my way and comfort zone all the way to the city one hour away in areas where there are plenty of white men. I go to coffee shops, book shops, restaurants, pubs, bars and I started jogging at the park and all these different areas are full of white guys. I smile, make eye contact and act friendly and I get plenty of compliments from non white men but I hardly get any response from white men. It really frustrates me because I am only attracted to white men. I am sure if I was attracted to non white men I would have been in a relationship by now but I can’t help what I am attracted to. It even gets worse when I go out to these places and I see homely, unkempt women who hardly even bother to look after themselves with decent looking white men yet here I am in heels, smiling, well put together and yet I get no response. I’m really getting discouraged and it has reached a point where I’m kind of thinking of giving up because I don’t know what I’m doing wrong because if I did I would fix it. I have read self help books, worked on my self esteem, acted friendly, made eye contact,prayed, gone out of my comfort zone, worked on my appearance (you name it) and used pretty much all the advise I could get including the one I found in your great website, but I get little to no response from white men. I know that white guys are not as aggressive when it comes to approaching women, especially black women as compared to other men, but I can tell when a man is interested even if he is shy or intimidated and I don’t see any interest at all when it comes to white men. Please what could I be doing wrong? How come I can attract all these non white men, but white men show no interest at all? It’s so emotionally and physically exhausting.

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Ah…preference is a peculiar thing, n’est-il pas?

Chica, your problem has less to do with you and what you’re not doing, and more to do with your locale. You mentioned you lived in a town where there’s hardly any white people, so guess what? That mean slim pickings of white guys for you, and no amount of coffee shop and book store hopping is going to change the basic factoid that the numbers just aren’t in your favor.

But fret not, young tenderling. There is such a thing as the Internet and a fabulous land called Online Dating, a smorgasbord for black women seeking white men and vise versa. From the comfort of your home in your no-white people town, you can find a white guy who suits your fancy. My suggestion is to try DateWhoYouWant, AfroRomance, PlentyofFish, and the ubiquitous Match.com. Check and see if there’s MeetUp.com groups in your area specifically geared for black women interested in white men. You mentioned you just graduated from college, so ask your non-black girlfriends to set you up with their brothers or cousins, or cute friends.

Oh, and one more thing. If someone tells you that you should give the White, Asian, Hispanic guys as chance even if you aren’t attracted to them just tell them to put a muzzle in it. You’re attracted to who you’re attracted to, and don’t think you have to apologize for it. But if white guys are what you want and only what you want, you’re going to have to take the Caucasian by the…well you know what I mean. A cute white guy isn’t just going to show up on your doorstep via Federal Express, as much as we wish it were so.

 

 

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DarlingNikki69 318 pts

I've read most of the responses on here, and I think they are on point thus far.  I wanted to comment on the non black wm hating on you thing. I've honestly had less hate, confussion, or unasked for b.s. comments from women of other races than I have from some black women friends. It's gotten to the point where I've had to not so subtley put them in their place.  It's funny though, but the women that have been married and divorced at least three times seem to be the most judgemental, lol. I always ask them to remind me how many times they've been married, and what was the common denominator in those relationships. Usually they shut up, but then there are a few who feel the need to extole the virtue of their mistakes as a way to help me, lol. Seriously, I have a mother. Who's been married once, to the same man for the last fifty plus years. When I have questions about deaiing with men, I ask the people who can keep a marriage together, not the ones who are force feeding me bad advice. 

 

My mother has had such successful friendships with black women over her life time. These are women that have known mymother longer than my father has, and it's something that I wanted.  I've come to realize that these women shared a common experience. They grew up during segregation, and despite those hard times they've succeeded on many different levels.  I think my generation, the last group born in the sixties...doesn't have that common bond.

 

Anyway, the dating advice has been great. I'm going to adopt alot of these things for myself.

A lot of people on here have been suggesting online dating to this woman, but online dating isn't for everyone & i personally think 23 years old is too young for online dating ad most people who frequent these sites are older. I have tried online dating & it wasn't for me, it isn't for everyone. I find that whilst many white men are attracted to certain black women they don't necessarily have the courage to date them, many hold certain judgements about what their friends/family will think or assume black women are not into white men. The only white men i know that tend to date black women are those who are geeky types like accountants and don't care about what other people think, these same types often also date asian women. On the opposite end very confident white men who are often accomplished & wealthy with charisma & friends of different races are also more likely to date outsite of their race. Average joe frat boy type white men tend to not comprehend dating black women. There are open minded white men out there but they are not always easy to find. I am attracted moreso to white/hispanic men but have tended to date black men since they approach me more.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

Too young? She's not 16 - she's over legal age and drinking age. Once upon a time women her age would be married and on their second or third child. I'm sorry, but people need stop looking at people in their 20's and thinking that they came out of the womb yesterday. I don't mean to be rude at all, I'm just saying. For all intensive purposes, the person in question is a grown woman. Not even by intensive purposes, she is in fact a grown woman. Not only that but she sounds like she has a very good head on her shoulders, looking for a serious relationship and not just one night stand or hook ups. I can't understand you going by your experiences, but those stereotypes do not hold true for everyone, and no one really knows what type of white/non-black men will be into black women. If you check out the Nive Nulls on youtube, they are a very young married interracial couple that just had a baby a few months ago. I believe they are about 22/23 themselves. This lady sounds like she's out of college (I'm not quite certain), so she would not be looking at frat boys anyway. So, if she wants to, she should probably even be looking at more established men. As you pointed out these men often also date Asian women, I'm sure that 23 year old Asian women are also making themselves available to these men if they can. I think online dating takes as much luck at fate to find someone as dating in real life. But it is still an option. There are men her age on online dating websites. And again, she may not even be interested in men her age, in which case being exposed to men she's more interested in, if older men are in fact more likely to be found online, then that may be exactly where she needs to be. A friend of mine just got married yesterday and she was 23 when she got engaged. She was dating her boyfriend for two years when before hand, which means they got together when she was 21. So again, if women are getting engaged at 23 - and this is a black woman I'm talking about - how it 23 too young to be online dating? This just plays into everything that is wrong with black women's image. People keep putting too much stock into this 45% of black women unmarried stat, and the one that says that black women do get married, just later in life. So first time black brides are more likely to be over 40, over 50 etc. And then suddenly 20's is too young to be thinking about dating and relationships... It really isn't. There is no ideal age to be thinking about dating, marriage etc... but I'm sure if anyone could find the right person for them as early in their lives as possible, they would go for it. This is really no different.

Toni_M 18737 pts moderator

I agree with VintageNarcissa. And 23 is a lot older than you think in terms of interacting on the internet. In fact, I'll say the younger people are, the easier it is. It's the older persons who are likely to have the toughest time navigating the web and the people on it. 

 

In any case, I'm curious as to why you would plant this smack dab in the middle of your comment: " I find that whilst many white men are attracted to certain black women they don't necessarily have the courage to date them, many hold certain judgements about what their friends/family will think or assume black women are not into white men."

 

This is certainly true for a segment of men, but no one here would advice black women give such men the time of day. I don't think there's a certain "type" of white guy for black women, because many women here can attest to getting attention from, dating, and being married to all kinds of white guys or other non-black guys. Guys who vary as much as black women, because we are not all a monolith.

 

You just have to go with who and what suits you. If you are attracted to white/hispanic men, I say go for it. o/ 

ironcowboy 324 pts

I met my wonderful, beautiful fiancé, who has her Ph.D and is a University professor, on Match.com.  We are an interracial couple and it’s been nearly one year now that we’ve been dating. Had it not been for the internet, I would not be engaged right now, nor would I have found my wife to be. But… you need to keep a few important ideas in mind when online dating.  You must weed out men online just like you would weed out men who randomly came off the street.

 

There is a saying in the gem mining industry, that you have to move 10,000 pounds of rocks to find one good quality gem.  This ratio holds true even in the dating world… you have to look over 10,000 pounds of incompatible men to find the one.

 

Online dating does not reduce the time or effort required to locate the right person; in fact, it increases it the time and effort required.  This is simply because it expands the number of people (and incompatible ones) who need weeded out… so if you are looking to date interracially, this is a great way to accomplish your goal, just don’t pretend that online will reduce or simplify any aspect of the dating process.  Online sites are simply introduction engines; the dating aspect is up to you.

 

You can do this…make a plan… have fun, enjoy… and good luck.

Brenda55 19279 pts moderator

“I go to coffee shops, book shops, restaurants, pubs, bars and I started jogging at the park and all these different areas are full of white guys.”

 

Those are fun things to do. They are also things that you can do alone are non-interactive or things done where a guy may assume that you are waiting for someone to show up. If you are going to drive an hour into town then make it worth your with. Find an activity that is interactive and will get guys talking to you. Not a group that has few members but one that has something of a turn over. Go to the book shop when there is a discussion, go the the pubs when there are mixers or the coffee shop when there are some sort of activity that will give you an excuse to mingle and not sit nursing a beverage.

 

“but I can’t help what I am attracted to.”

 

No need to explain to us. We feel ya. You like what you like and you want what you want. Now how much do you know about white guys?

Dating outside of one's race is really no different than dating a person form another country. Learn where he comes from , what his culture is and who he is. There is stuff that women of his race will learn from the cradle because they grow up in the same world. Some of us on sites like these grew up in diverse communities or have traveled and have interacted with people of different races and have picked up a lot of social and cultural cue and information. We have learned a lot about what make non-black men tick.

You admit that there are not very many WM in your sphere so you are right to go where they are. You also need to learn who they are so that means tuning up you powers of observation. I do not know if you are in school or where you work or where you live but some sort of move may be in order if you are to achieve your goal. It depends on how much your goal means to you.

 

 

“How come I can attract all these non white men, but white men show no interest at all?”

 

 

 

Don't feel bad. Your hard work has paid off. You are attracting men. Most women would kill to be in your spot. You are attracting the men who are readily available.  Remember most men are going to date and marry women from their own group. That is a fact. It is also a fact that available WM so out number the black women who want them that there are plenty who would be interested in you.

 

You really answered your own question.

“I live in a small town with very few white people, so I have to even go out my way and comfort zone all the way to the city one hour away in areas where there are plenty of white men.”

 

Sounds to me that you have to position yourself to be where the men you want are readily available. You need to tip the scale in your favor which means you need to be where there is an abundance of the men you want. Not just for a few hours a week, I am talking diving in the deep end of the pool. You are not getting enough exposure where you are living and how you are going about meeting guys. That is why so many here are suggesting on line dating.

 

 

SirLoinDeBeef 2490 pts

 Brenda55 Possibly be more pro-active - as mentioned in another post, in a coffe-shop or bookstore with a coffee nook, buy a $10 gift card, then send it over to the WM of your choice, with a brief note - it he's 'attached,' you'll get it back - if he's a jerk, your out 10 bucks and one down, many more to come - if he's free, then you automatically know he's interested ... that you are not passive ... that you can be approached ... and that you are 'classy' from the get go.

Dira 20 pts

I also think that online dating sites will be a great way to look for these guys, especially the websites that were mentioned because everyone is there for the same thing which makes the search much easier

friendswmimi 259 pts

To the writer, be patient.  You are young and it will happen.  As Christelyn  has suggested, create an online profile and place it on every online dating website.  You really have to put yourself out there, like a billboard to make it happen.  Don't forget to smile at every guy you meet, even the ones that you are not attracted to you.  And visualize yourself with the man you want to be with.  I wish you all the best in your search.

Kiwiwriter 613 pts

Yes, my suggestion would also be to go to the Web. Just make sure that you vet the incoming profiles carefully...men will do and say nearly anything to get women interested in them.

 

You may just be a victim of a small sample of manpower where you live, I don't know. But don't give up on what you want...you deserve the best, and should get it.

SirLoinDeBeef 2490 pts

 Kiwiwriter Let me be more blunt, please - it is a common expression among males (even nice, sensitive ones):  stiff prick hath no conscience!

EarthJeff 3244 pts

"Some men see an attractive woman an automatically assume that she's with someone, or that she's dumb, or easy, or out of his league."

 

Very true, especially that she is with someone or is out of our league.  Stupid to assume, I know, but we just often do that.

Kiwiwriter 613 pts

 EarthJeff Yeah, men are intimidated by beautiful women. I have, since I've been married, had good-looking women complain to me about having lousy boyfriends, or men not approaching them. I sympathize, and wonder, "Where the hell were you when I was single?"

Brenda55 19279 pts moderator

 Kiwiwriter  EarthJeff 

Maybe most guys take this track and pass on the pretty girls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4TOR7856d4&feature=related

R. Kamaria 854 pts

 Brenda55 hahahaha. Too funny. Honestly, a lot of men think this way. It's unfortunate. Their loss. 

vthewriter 265 pts

All good advice so far. I can't disagree. The only thing that stuck out to me in your letter was that you never mentioned what kind of man you want, other than white. Being more specific in what you want may help you focus more on how to get it. The only other thing I can add is to focus on interest-based social groups. Join a few weekend clubs in the city that interest you. The worst case scenario is that you spend some free time doing what you like. The best case scenario is that you find someone you're compatible with, or at least meet a similar friend who gets to know you who can network and hook you up. Another thing you may not want to hear is that your beauty may work against you. I'm sure many people would rather not hear about pretty-girl problems, but the reality is that humans are visual animals and we make assumptions based on looks. Some men see an attractive woman an automatically assume that she's with someone, or that she's dumb, or easy, or out of his league. It makes it so much more important to showcase who you are, which is not as easy to do in a superficial coffee shop/bar scene. The good news is that you're still young and you have plenty of time. Keep your standards high and don't settle. You may feel like you deserve the man that you want, but make sure that he deserves you as well.

KingsDaughter 4599 pts

 vthewriter "The only thing that stuck out to me in your letter was that you never mentioned what kind of man you want, other than white. Being more specific in what you want may help you focus more on how to get it."

 

Agree totally.

VintageNarcissa 3151 pts

This may be something that you may not want to hear, but I strongly implore you to be patient. You do seem to be doing everything right. But as my BF likes to say, time is your only enemy. Chris' advise is great. If you have the money to invest, online dating is a great option. I can't speak for it personally though.

 

But I kind of understand your city/town conundrum a little. I live in New York, but more specifically a black populated area of Brooklyn. Because of this, I spend most of my time working and playing in Manhattan. If I'm not sleeping or on BBW, I'm probably in the city. I don't know if you have a car or how you get around, but most anywhere in Manhattan is an hour + away from me via public transportation, and at this point I've simply gotten used to the commute. I use it to catch up on my reading, lol. In Brooklyn, I get hit on by black men all the time and I'm not particularly interested (even less so now, har), but in Manhattan (occasionally some downtrodden mess of a black dude will try to turn his neck at me) I get approached by all types of men, including white. If you really want to look toward the big city for finding more guys your type I would definitely recommend spending more time there, so you can lose that out of town feel and be more comfortable in your surroundings. 

 

I really relate to your story though, because I graduated at 23 also, only having had one sort of boyfriend when I was a teenager, and several guys, mostly black trying to get into my pants since them. I didn't find my first serious relationships until I was 25, and in that time between graduation and then I had a lot of time to stew in frustration, lol. I believe in the power of positive thinking as well as being proactive, and when I tell you that my hunny is everything that I could have imaged in a partner down to a T. I have to believe there was something more than my own good taste at play there, hehe.

 

The one thing that you could be doing wrong could be in your approach. Even if you're trying to make eye contact and such, please don't take this the wrong way, you may still be too nervous and give off an air of desperation. That is something that other races and cultures of men may ignore because they're probably trying to find a fifth wife to take back to their country anyway (I kid, I kid), but white guys tend to be attuned to this, especially with black women I feel.  Or they may mistake this nervousness for standoffishness and think unapproachable angry black woman or something like that. As you mentioned less attractive women may garner more attention because they may feel they have less to lose, so they let go of their inhibitions and let their guard down more. See us respectable ladies are looking for serious relationships and husbands, not one night stands. So there is a lot more at stake. That may be a reason your guard is up more that you realize.

 

I suggest looking up all of the posts on BBW featuring Matthew Hussey, he gives some great advice on how woman and approach and talk to men, or get men to approach them and talk to them. Even though I'm already in a relationship, I love listening to his advice because I even feel it helps me relate to my BF better. And also so I can be prepared with sound advice for my friends. 

 

Once clincher about when I met my BF is that I was completely at ease talking to him because I didn't believe he was interested in me (he was pursuing another girl at the time we met). But the time he came around to being interested in me, he told me it was the very openess that he was attracted to and he noticed it even when he wasn't pursing me. I honestly cannot say that I would have been as open and easy going had he been interested in me from the beginning. I would have been trying too hard to be perfect, and that may have put him off. One thing that is so important to remember is that when you're putting yourself out there is to realize that you're just conversing with other people. That point in time, they are not that special, so they should not garner so much of your nerves and guards.

 

Another thing that is, kind of contradictory but also very important to remember is in matters of the heart, sometimes you have to put your heart away and let your brain have more control. If one thing is not working out or if some guy you were interested in isn't interested in you, don't have any hard feelings. Just move onto the next. Don't take too much offense to the dating world, because in the end everyone is looking for the same end result. It's an intricate balance of being appealing, being open and being smart. You may not have that balance just right as yet. Or you may just not have found that one were all the rules go out the window. I find that us as humans like to think we're in control but, when fate is ready for us, there isn't a thing we can do about it. 

 

Other than Matthew Hussey, I also recommend watching videos by TonyaTKO. She talks about relationships on youtube and has a lot of great advice on how to take your confidence to the next level and be attractive to any man. She honestly seems more geared toward the black dating scene, but I take the sound advice that I need that isn't race contingent and leave the rest.

onmywayup 1732 pts

 VintageNarcissa "The one thing that you could be doing wrong could be in your approach. Even if you're trying to make eye contact and such, please don't take this the wrong way, you may still be too nervous and give off an air of desperation. That is something that other races and cultures of men may ignore because they're probably trying to find a fifth wife to take back to their country anyway (I kid, I kid), but white guys tend to be attuned to this, especially with black women I feel.  Or they may mistake this nervousness for standoffishness and think unapproachable angry black woman or something like that. As you mentioned less attractive women may garner more attention because they may feel they have less to lose, so they let go of their inhibitions and let their guard down more. See us respectable ladies are looking for serious relationships and husbands, not one night stands. So there is a lot more at stake. That may be a reason your guard is up more that you realize."

 

At this point I feel like I'm spamming this post (what with my million +1 and "cosign" posts below), but I just want to chime in and say that I agree with this 100 percent.  For some reason, when I am not trying to please and am just me, I get men of all races, but especially white men, flocking to me.  And when I have been desperate (don't want to admit that I have been, but I have!), almost no one approaches me.  I don't know what it is, but men can sense desperation and many men do not want to deal with that. 

 

I also second the recommendation by TonyaTko, as her videos on self-esteem and self-worth have helped me tons!

EarthJeff 3244 pts

"A cute white guy isn’t just going to show up on your doorstep via Federal Express, as much as we wish it were so."

I dont know about cute, but a crusty old white teacher is about to be delivered to somebody's doorstep via FedEx..... address just needs to be filled in.....  ;)

JuneBug277 252 pts

Hello guys!Thanks for the comments and advice. I am the one who wrote the question *waves* Yes I do agree that the numbers are a little slim when it comes to WM here compared to the women available. Even in town where there's quite a number of them and most of the WM there are either tourists or travel here for business and stay for a short period of time. As for moving to Europe, I have always wanted to, unfortunately, I can't afford to due to my financial situation. I have never tried online dating, will give it a shot even though I'm a bit scared of it, but I guess it's time to give it a shot.

 

When I started working on myself I realized I didn't have a lot of support from my non BW girlfriends when it comes to my dating choices. They mocked me a lot about my dating preference to the point I just stopped talking about it with them. I had one Asian girlfriend specifically tell me, " Have you tried dating a BM, you would look great with (insert name of random lame BM)" I just rolled my eyes and asked her if she would ever date a man like him, she looked shocked and then said no- so I told her if she would never date a man like him then why does she expect me to? Because we share the same skin tone? Ironically, she has also expressed interest in dating outside her race.

 

But I am being optimistic and keeping my head up. I feel like I am in a good place in my life in terms of loving myself . I am sure that there are plenty of men out there, I just have to keep on looking ^_^

dani-BBW 1784 pts

 JuneBug277 I think meetups and online dating would be great for you! You can start with a free site like POF or OKCupid to test the waters at no cost. Good luck!

Statuesque 1724 pts

 JuneBug277 Online dating is a good way to ease yourself into things on your own terms and timeline.  I'd also recommend OkCupid, which is what I call the free Match.com.

 

I thought it was interesting that your non-Black girlfriends were drinking the Haterade.  Many people will probably offer this advice, and you can do what you like at the end of the day, but it is to your advantage to surround yourself with people who support your choices and get rid of anyone who doesn't.  That positive focus on what you want will aid you in attracting the things you want in your life on many levels.   Your Asian female friend especially may not want to compete with you for White guys.  Don't do what she is doing and play into the scarcity mentality that women of any background who compete for men often have...when they start undermining other women because they are playing  zero-sum game where if you win, they lose.

 

In my experience, White (American) men outside of bars do not approach women in the direct and obvious manner you may be used to with Black men and Latinos.  What I have learned to notice is that if a man is talking to me, he is attracted. If he sustains the conversation, he's interested.  You may perceive it as "being nice."  Men really aren't that nice. lol

onmywayup 1732 pts

 Statuesque  JuneBug277 "You may perceive it as "being nice."  Men really aren't that nice."

 

Lol, that's so true!  Once I was the queen of obliviousness and thought that all these guys were being "nice" to me...now when I see the look in their eyes, I wonder how I could have missed it!  It took me seeing guys being "nice" to my friends and ignoring me when I was standing right there for things to click. 

vthewriter 265 pts

 Statuesque  JuneBug277 "In my experience, White (American) men outside of bars do not approach women in the direct and obvious manner you may be used to with Black men and Latinos."

 

I know this holds true in my little corner of the South. Black women in my area are often approached in the most vile, disgusting, insulting manner and they often become numb to it. Even decent men have to have a good level of assertiveness just to make her know that he's interested.

 

The white dating game down here is just this weird, delicate dance of signals and messages and reading between the lines... if you're not familiar with it then it might not even look like flirting. I never really understood it myself (it may explain why my best relationships have always been with black women). 

 

Anyway, good luck, JuneBug277. Please keep us posted on your journey to success.

SirLoinDeBeef 2490 pts

 Statuesque  JuneBug277"In my experience, White (American) men outside of bars do not approach women in the direct and obvious manner you may be used to with Black men and Latinos."

IMHO, first, most WM are trained from an early age to be more subtle - taking a strange girl/woman they don't know and, grabbing her by the upper arm, swinging her around, backing her into a wall or corner, and then starting bragging about their sexual prowess is NOT a WM approach - think Ray-Ray or Kwame-onna-corner.

But, secondly, many BW have, of sheer necessity, adopted an 'ice-queen' mentality - "don't mess with me, boy, or I'll cut you down to size with a word!" - but, when approached by a typical nice-guy WM, cannot/do not turn this defensive mask off.

Thus, missed opportunity.

onmywayup 1732 pts

 JuneBug277 "When I started working on myself I realized I didn't have a lot of support from my non BW girlfriends when it comes to my dating choices."

 

Oh, yeah, the dreaded non-bw friends who don't support black women dating "out." I'd say don't talk about your preferences around these women.  And keep them on the acquaintance level.  My friends, most of whom are not black, know better than to come to me with that mess because I attract more white men than most of them.  (Which is fine with them, because most of them prefer black men anyway.  Go figure.)  Anyway, before I get too off topic, my point is that you should be careful around these friends; don't be surprised if they try to be saboteurs and be one step ahead of them at all times. 

 

As for your original post, is moving in your future? I would suggest online dating but only if your head is in the right space.  So many options, yes, but also so much foolery out there that you have to spend lots of time vetting and keeping your self-esteem in check.  The process can be tiring sometimes...so can dating in general though. 

Kiwiwriter 613 pts

 JuneBug277 Go ahead and go on-line...just vet, vet, vet, the people who answer. You will get a lot of chaff, and you'll have to do analysis to find the wheat. When you meet the guy, make it a daylight date, and a low-stress environment...a common activity or sporting event, the zoo, and see how he behaves toward you.

 

Remember that there is no perfect guy, all men are jerks in some ways at some levels, and it's a question of can you put up with this guy's weaknesses, or are they deal-breakers?

 

And make sure he's got a solid employment record...don't get involved with a guy who's our of work and really needs a loan to tide him over....

MZ Elf 2660 pts

 I wish you the best and know that everyone here has given you really great advice! I do hope that the traveling guys and out of towners aren't deterring you. One of the ladies featured here met her now Swedish or German(can't remember) now husband on a cruise. She has since moved over there and has three beautiful baby girls . Go to the areas the out of towners or travelers are for happy hour even if you aren't a drinker since the appetizers are usually really inexpensive.Lunch can be great too since the menus are so much more affordable. They have a med pizza, two salads(or soups) and a dessert for $20 at BJ's. Take a friend!

 

Do more in the U.S. as far as travel because you never know. Meetup groups are the ticket. I joined a few and usually can find a ton to do on a budget every single day if I had the time. I could go to 5 and spend anywhere from $10-$50. The highest being at more ritzy locations. I joined a women's group that usually has events small enough, although there are over 200 members to enjoy and it gets me out to more places. It is usually economical. Wineries here have jugs of Sangria and we split the tab and eat prior to or order meat and cheese platters.

 

Just last weekend while hiking, there were a rain shower of menz on the trails, biking and hiking. While I am sure that some...maybe even many are married. There was some seriously hard looking and circling back going on by non-black and white men. I do have to be honest and say that the men are likely intimidated because some look sick and tongue tied. If I smile and seem approachable and you are still too scurrrrreeeed, keep it moving! I am too me to not have someone that thinks that I am worth the possible rejection. Hey, if a low life thug, young boys and old ancient decrepit men can leer at me, you can strike up a convo to see if it is your lucky day.

 

Speaking of luck,  Good luck my dear! <3

LionMama 293 pts

Well, you could come here, in Europe.. I almost never see a black couple walking around in my city. It's either black woman alone or with a white native guy. Most African girls don't date the other immigrants like Arabs here, for good reasons.

Shulamit 1982 pts

 LionMama Unfortunately, this is something I agreed with you on before but we got into a tiff about my being American, blah blah. Unfortunately, Americans think that Europeans are racist because of their crack down on their immigrant population. They do not understand that we get the educated and rich Arabs, Muslims and Africans--altho the Africans as a whole are not as much trouble as the Pakistanis and Arabs. Whereas Europe because of proximity gets the more impoverish and fanatical set. Rape and crime is up in countries that have a larger muslim population. You have educators and chancellors telling women to dress down in order not to get raped. It is a bit ridiculous. My feeling is, if you immigrate to my land, you need to adjust to our norms not the other way around, but Europeans are terrified of being called racist, so their native population suffer. Its a mess and as much as I love europe it is the major reason why I won't return to western or northern europe.

 

I also agree, that black women have a bigger chance of dating out if they branch out to the European set. European men are open to all women for the most part. The only thing that may be a point of contention is religion. Most Europeans are agnostic or atheist. With good reason. They have seen enough wars and slaughter due to religion.

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Shulamit 1982 pts

 LionMama **here I am talking about the recent immigrants not the ones from the 60s and 70s

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LionMama 293 pts

 Shulamit We did? I've forgotten.

 

Well, you're right that Africans (Sub saharan) don't cause as much trouble as the rest. Somali do cause trouble but I don't count them as one of 'us'. They don't want to be one of 'us'. Too busy kissing Arab butt. And I've heard you guys in America got trouble with them with the few you got as well.

 

I'm sick and tired of north african - middle eastern men walking around like they own my city and is entitle to be here more than anyone else. And I'm not the only African who is, I've spoken to plenty who is. BTW before some apologist comes out and try to defend them, I've NEVER been grabbed sexually by a native white guy but I have been by the Arab men.

 

Seriously this stuff would never fly in my home country.

 

wanderingdreamer 8712 pts

 LionMama Shulamit the European multiculturalism model is "come to the country and bring your culture with you", not assimilate into the culture you are coming too. Millions of people came to America because they admired American values and wanted to become American. It seems that's not how it's working out in Europe.

onmywayup 1732 pts

W LionMama Which parts of Europe do you recommend?

LionMama 293 pts

 onthewaydown For husband material? I'd say northern. More educated and richer than south Europeans.  Still the culture takes time to get used to especially in Scandinavia.

diamondgal 431 pts

It's kind of the same situation I'm in but different.  The key may be the number.  I live in a mostly white area and are approached a lot by white men, even though I'm more attracted to Indian.  Problem is - there are virtually no Indian men here.  White men are ok, but I am more attracted to a more exotic look. 

It would be a good idea to move to somewhere near more wm.  Maybe we should switch places.lol

LionMama 293 pts

 diamondgal Native Americans or Indian Indians?

 

If it's Indian Indians, GL. My home city got more Indians outside Indian than any were else. They don't really mix with the black foke's, and if they do it's somewhat of a secret. Tandia is a good book on it. But I don't know what they are like in America.

Shulamit 1982 pts

 LionMama  diamondgal the only place Indians--India-- mix with black ppl is in Trinidad (being doing it for centuries) and Canada. Other than that, you are right LionMama it is rare.

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KingsDaughter 4599 pts

 diamondgal Indians? black/Indian is a pretty rare combination, Indians just tend to keep to themselves in everything. Still though, I did have a friend (black) who is married to a Bangladeshi. 

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

Girl move to the PNW, we're overrun w/ wm looking Intersted in bw. The other day my husband and I go to the open a new bank account at a local bank. The guy opening the account is a white guy, and on his desk there's a pic of his family. A beautiful dark skinned bw w/ a baby. Now it was great to see and we didn't do the 'oh yiu're swirling too' secret handshake b/c so many bw are dating/marrung wm interracial I'd be doing that all day. There are places right here in the good old' US of A you can find a wm. I keep telling ppl this about the PNW but I think they think I'm lying. I'm not. But do what you feel b/c coming here for a wm may not always fit everyone this place ain't for everybody. Especially w/ all this gray weather.

Law Wanxi 5782 pts

 eugeniaberg  

Cosign, with the stipulation that you stay outside of the city limits of Seattle and its southern suburbs. Go north [Edmonds, Lynnwood, Lake Forest Park, but not Everett] or East [everything north of Renton].

 

I think if the WM there have a motto, it would be 'Anyone Except A White Woman'. Maybe that's because the White men there are above average for income and brains. Plus [and back me up on this, eugeniaberg  ] , outside of Bellevue, the area has a noticeable lack of attractive White women. I think the pretty ones fled to LA or NYC or anywhere else. What's left behind uses Petfinders dot com as their dating site, LOL. Whatever you do, avoid Tacoma, or 'Tacompton' as known locally. Bad place.

 

The area has an odd Scandinavian/Asian ambience to the culture, but the people are polite to a fault. Not to worry; the Asians will leave you alone. If you like Asian food, you've hit the jackpot, especially if you like Teriyaki. They have store front Teriyaki joints like the rest of the USA has burger or chicken places. Vietnamese rice noodle dishes called pho are gaining in popularity and the American Food restaurants are also good. There are plenty of first rate universities in the area and not just in Seattle. Their community colleges, and there are plenty of them, are as good a four-year schools elsewhere. 

 

I go there to see friends and also for business. I was up there a couple of weeks ago on a consulting job a couple of weeks ago. Since I won't go into Seattle because its gun violence problem and also because I was doing my thing on The Eastside  [what the Eastern suburbs are called] the client booked me into a boutique hotel called The Heathman in Kirkland. There were several dozen nice places to eat nearby, including a really great pho place. I noticed lots of White men with all kinds of women, even a few White women. There were the usual WM/AW couples, but also a couple dozen WM/BW couples. 

 

The other thing I noticed is that among the married [well, the women were wearing wedding engagement sets and the men wearing wedding rings] a LOT of the women were pregnant. I haven't seen this many pregnant Asian women since I left HK, and most had a kid or two in tow, with the husband wheeling the stroller. Same with the WM/BW couples. I saw as many WM/BW parents in two nights strolling around Downtown Kirkland as I usually see in a month in my home in Irvine. So if you're looking to get married and raise a family in a nice, clean [the PNW is the cleanest place in the USA], relaxed and welcoming place, then the Puget Sound area is ideal for you. Eastern Washington, not so much. 

 

I'd live there, but I don't like the weather, plus The OC is my home. To recap, the Pacific Northwest is Wanxi-Approved and gets 4.8 stars out of 5. 

dani-BBW 1784 pts

 Law Wanxi  eugeniaberg  I agree with all of this Law. I lived there for a bit and also have family in Lakewood. There is absolutely nothing happening in Tacompton! But I love Bellevue, I used to dream of taking art lessons up there as a kid, LOL.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Law Wanxi Hey thanks Law, I live in Mountlake Terrace right next to Lynnwood and Edmonds. I don't get into Seattle much and I just had someone who frequents this blog & my blog just move here from the Midwest and she's beating them off w/ a stick online and in RL. And yes they are hungry for good looking women here, besides the Asian women who are adept presenting themselves most of the WW are kind of frumpy. There's just not a lot bw here, period. It's a boon for bw dating IR. believe me ladies if you're a confident bw, these wm are not shy about showing their interest.

ChristineB 53 pts

 eugeniaberg   Law

I had Seattle on my bucket list as one of the US cities to visit, but didn't know about the crime issue.  Maybe I would try it for one day (just to say I was there), but I think I will consider some other Washington State cities instead. I will learn more about the cities you all mentioned as a start.

Veron 1387 pts

 eugeniaberg   Law I know all of this info about the PNW is for the letter-writer, but I'm so glad this came up.  It's so good know because my trajectory is going to land me in Portland by the end of next year.  I'm spending a few weeks there in June to do a real estate check, and I was totally worried about the social aspect because I don't know a soul over there. My whole life and everyone in it has been contained to the east coast, and it's good to know that I might not have any issues making friends and reviving my love life.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@ChristineB @Law I lived in Seattle for years and years I just moved up north about a year or so ago for my husband's job amd just wanted more room in a place than Seattle could give. I didn't move here b/c I felt unsafe in Seattle. In fact I never felt unsafe in Seattle and I have roamed the streets late at night. I have single women friends & family living there, none who feel unsafe. It's a great town. I miss living there, but I'm there all the time I only live 20 minutes away from it.

eugeniaberg 7245 pts moderator

@Veron @Law My husband and I are seriously considering moving to Portland. We just got through visiting there last weekend. We visit there all the time and every tube we do, we think we need to move here. I have a done a ton of blogs at my site on how much I love it. I still adore Seattle but Portland has a laid back vibe I cannot resist. I'm thinking within the next couple of years we will be full time in Portlandia.

CarlaRose 213 pts

 eugeniaberg   Veron  Law Portland is definitely laid back. I like the "small town" vibe you get in each neighborhood  you visit, lower cost of living, no sales, tax, tons of things to do and so on.  The downsides are a depressed economy (worse than other states) and a few social issues (high sex trafficking, meth, etc) but its a great place for the most part.

DeepWater 2445 pts

 Law Wanxi  eugeniaberg    "I think the pretty ones fled to LA or NYC or anywhere else. What's left behind uses Petfinders dot com as their dating site, LOL"    Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa!   That's just wrong, Law (sarcasm)......bwaaaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.